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Posted: 8/10/2005 12:48:32 AM EDT
Another shooting, another knee jerk.
Seems they want legislation to be changed from 'our' ie Westminster end, and are after a licensing scheme. What's the betting if the HO do they will slip in something else at the same time? ANdy Pressure mounts for airgun action Andrew Morton died after being shot near his home Ministers have been urged to "get their finger out" and clamp down on airguns following the death of Andrew Morton. Mark Bonini, 27, has been convicted of murdering the two-year-old, who was shot in the head in Glasgow in March. The Scottish National Party said talks between the Scottish Executive and the Home Office had failed and Holyrood should be given the powers to act. But the justice minister said her aim was to get "a workable solution" which would prevent a repeat of the tragedy. Cathy Jamieson said: "That is why I have asked the Home Office and my own officials to examine the possibility of licensing schemes, to examine the possibility of restricting the sale of such weapons and to consider all the possible options. The time for negotiation and discussion with Westminster has passed Kenny MacAskill SNP justice spokesman Calls continue for airgun curbs "That is what we committed to do and we haven't moved. We are still committed to seeing a tightening up of the legislation." Andrew's death in the Easterhouse area of Glasgow immediately sparked calls for tighter controls of air weapons.……… ………A Home Office spokesman said: "The government will not hesitate to bring forward whatever further measures it is agreed are necessary." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4137262.stm |
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When will people realise that it's not the gun that kills. It's usually the drugged up, convicted pusher, who by his own admission was 'out of it', if you can believe the papers. Perhaps we should make supplying/using hard drugs illegal. Or being in possession of a firearm whilst drunk or on drugs illegal. Or even shooting someone for no reason, illegal.
No wait, they already are illegal. So banning airguns will stop this prat doing something illegal? Hasn't so far. Being illegal has been no barrier to You might as well ban all cars cos one killed a child, or ban Drs as they kill more people than legally held guns. |
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I hear you Matt, but knee jerk hysteria about ANYTHING to do with guns seems to be the 'Scottish Way'. They really do seem to be fixated on the guns north of the border, not the nuts using them. Hardly a week passes now without another rant about guns from north of the border.
Fingers crossed we don't get caught up in the crossfire if/when Blair decides to something to buy a few more Scottish votes to save his arse (…again) ANdy |
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Fuck the Jockinese. They've got no backbone anyhow.
Spent too many years hanging on to Old Mother England's coat tails. What was once a brave and tough nation has now become just a parody of their former selves. They've lost all national identity too. Now, I've got nothing against Jockinese individuals, but collectively, well........................... Besides, they're the real cause of our problems in the Occupied territories of Northern Ireland. What would ols Braveheart do if he was here today? Send the English a letter of complaint?? Anyway, back to work Mark |
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…true though |
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True in the most part.
Now that is absolute shite. There is no-one, absolutely no-one I have met that has more national pride and cultural identity than the Scottish. I get it all day as well as the missus is Scottish. Celts eh! Dave |
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That's all I need, the fucking Irish starting something AGAIN.
You's can all piss off anyway, Geordie and proud! (Not English, not Scottish, but Geordie) Dave |
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What's a Geordie? A Scotsman who couldn't climb back over the wall… |
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Actually Dave, I know your missus is Scottish so don't take it to heart. And I'm right, the Scots are losing their National Identity, besides why do so many of them object to Devolution?? Once, the Scots wanted independance from Britain (England), now they want handouts. They are more Liberal than the most liberal thing and want nothing more than to remain British. And if that's not losing your national Identity, what is??. Funny thing is, the Scots, just like the Loyalists in N.Ireland, pledge their allegiance to a nation that doesn't really give a damn about them. How about they get their drugs and society problems under control before they start tackling Airguns. I'm sure those wonderful northern delicacies..deep fried mars Bars and Eldorado Electric Soup kill more than the occasional fucker with an airgun. Ban the Mars Bars and batter....Do it for the children. Mark back to work again |
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Mel is Austrailian. He's so Austrailian that they had to dub the American release of Mad max. And we Scots aren't that bad surely? (awaits "pellet boy" or "Europellet" jokes) |
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Contrary to what everyone believes...Mel Gibson is not Australian, he's American.
He was born in America and has American parents. He was brought up in Australia because his father moved the family there so that his sons would avoid the Vietnam draft. Mark |
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Mel Gibson was born in NewYork, and his father reportedly went to Australia to dodge the draft. According to one sunday glossy from several years ago, anyway. |
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The Welsh are pretty patriotic...and you sometimes find the English get grief just for being patriotic
The Scotts the Irish too we all have our feeling of belonging and our Homeland. Politics is Politics....remember it's a game to those who dabble in it. Spin is spin and Lies are Lies BUT Votes are Votes....and Votes make the Political world go round That said we/shooters are a minority and there's a heap o'shit that goes with that.... Like ....democracy does not favor the minority..but it don't mean we don't deserve a good crack of the whip. Support shooting by going shooting. As for the above article My prayers go out to family of Andrew Morton very sad But an air rifle did not kill this innocent Air rifles do not kill Guns do not kill People kill Blaming an airgun for this death is like Blaming spoons for the cause of Vanessa Feltz being so FAT Just my ha'penny Taffy Streetfighter get back to work and quit fishing ooops it's too late for work..nevermind |
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If scotland is so great why do the scots seem to want to leave as soon as possible. They're all over the World, it seems anywhere other than Scotland. Must be more Scots outside Scotland than in the country. It's like Australians, they're all in Earls Court, raving about how great Australia is. "It's a darn sight better now you've left, mate". I like Scotland and nearly every Scot I've met, so don't get me wrong, I think it's a great country. I've spent more time in Scotland then most 'scots', but this whole 'we're better than yous' crap is just that - crap. And why do the scots make a plural out of 'you'? Besides there are no true 'Scots' anymore. The Scottie were a tribe from Ireland who were fed up with the petty bickering and small wars there that they sailed over the sea. Between them, the Romans and the Vikings, they managed to kill off all the true 'scots'. I call them 'scots' as we don't know what they called themselves, but the Romans called them Pics because they painted themselves, but no record of their own name for themselves exists, and no record of language remains. The Scots are invaders and most likely have less claim to the land then most of Europe. And Scotland was the last part of the UK to be inhabited by the Celts. They started in England (Wessex, SW Peninsular) and southern Ireland, moved north through Wales and the rest of Ireland, then to Scotland. After that there was nowhere to go. Most of this is plagerised or paraphrased from a book called 'Celts' bought in the Bagpipe museum, IIRC, in Edinburgh many years ago. If you really want to upset the Scots, tell them where the bagpipes come from and 'how Scottish they are'. Seems like everything is borrowed from another culture. Weren't kilts originally from Ireland? Just like the Scots I assume. So don't start on this 'cultural identity' crap. |
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Jeez! Pellet Boy, you can't even get that right!
Mel Columcille Gerard Gibson, born 3 January 1956, in Peekskill, New York, USA And yes you Jockinese are that bad… you are a drain on our taxes, you all winge about independence but won't vote SNP. You 'claim' to be more 'enlightened' than us south of the border with your free education and OAP care, but it's easy to do that when it's actually paid for out of someones elses (southern) taxes. Socialism is endemic in Scotland thanks to the handout culture that keeps Scotland afloat. The Labour Party is little more than a Scottish Socialist Mafia. We can't vote in Scotlands Mickey Mouse Devolved McParliament but you lot can vote in ours. If Scotland was excluded from the Westminster Elections we would have Conservative Governments and the Labour Party knows that so keeps on pumping Billions into Scotland to buy the votes of a grateful public. It costs Westminster roughly £5,000 per head to run Scotland. The Scottish Nationalists keep banging on about 'Scottish Oil' being robbed by the evil southerners, but forget it was southern tax payers that footed a lot of the initial cost of getting the oil industry off the ground. Then we have the dream that Scotland could be independent and living in the lap of luxury off it's oil revenues. OK, you keep the Oil, we keep all our money, you'll be broke in a year. And compare Northern Ireland with Scotland, similar sort of tax subsidies but what a difference!! NI people graft and want to get on despite all the crap they have been through in the last 35 years. Now there economy is booming and the standard of living is rocketing so it will soon be able to stand on it's own feet, Scotland however is still a bottomless money pit . Gazzilions have thrown down the drain since the war for absolutely no result. Difference? The Scots have a ready made excuse for their piss poor economic performance…''It's all the fault of the English, if only we had our Independence'… And what do we get from Scotland? The major export seems to be drunks to litter the streets of our cities and somewhere to put Nuclear Power Staions and park a few Trident Submarines. If we pulled out of Scotland we could always use Wales who could do with the money and jobs. You have the most unhealthy population in Western Europe, a drugs problem that's completely out of control and crime rates that make Londons bad areas seem like oasis of peace and tranquility. And finally, the Scots are fanatically anti gun, it seems to be the Mickey Mouse McParliaments favourite topic. The knee jerk handgun ban was to keep Scottish Voters on side, nothing more, the same with Blair, bought off Scotland with another ban. And now they are demanding banning or licensing Air Rifles!… If the SCottish put as much energy into sorting out their country as they do about bitching about the 'Auld Enemy' the place would not be in the shit it is now. And before anyone says it, yes I did live in Scotland for a while, too wet and cold. It's such a great place that what family I had there upped and emigrated to the US this Summer to get away from the moaning neds. |
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Wow fella's....did you all foreget We's on the same side here. Banter is cool ....the sheep will be safe tonite, once i've had a few voddies I'll never catch the blighters But we's all British Spawn of the Vikings/Celts/Romans and who knows what else Anyway Back at the Batcave Beautiulf day here today . Got to the range and wish I'd not bothered...shite shooting...shite groups....back killing me. Could not get comfy while sighting in my ickle 10/22 with different ammo....I swear i'm never gonna clean that rifle again Taffy |
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Yeah. OK enough is enough. We's gotta stick together to stop the evil, relentless march of Europeanism. |
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Bollox to Europe I'm only interested in our little Island and it's well armed little provinces..."pouts" |
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OK but ya get my drift...Strength in Unity Taffy |
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Awww, but but, I was enjoying that. But I suppose we've got to be sociable to our Haggis munching friends. If only they would all learn to drive (if you know what I mean). But do you know what the best thing about Scotland is???....the A1 South Mark |
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With my roots and name I could claim to be a Paddy
Taffy the Paddy |
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And that's why you only have to pay entering Wales over the New/Old Severn Bridge It's free to get into England...Less Exclusive Taffy....the confused Mother English Father Irish Born Wales |
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Well you could be very right there Taff.
There was huge Irish immigration into South Wales in the 18-1900's. Most southern Welsh if they check will probaly find they are more more than a bit Irish! ANdy |
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They do say the Welsh are just Irish people who can't swim.... Taffy |
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Don't have to pay… being disabled has a 'few' privileges, although I don't consider getting very wet in Wales to be one of them. One day I'm going to go down to Cardiff and it WON"T be raining! Andy |
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"ain't nary an animal alive what can outrun a greased Scottsman!"
---Groundskeeper Willy |
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Right, my turn.
Although I originate from Belfast and we moved to London in 1975, I was actually born in the Middle East. Qatar to be precise. My dad first went there in 1955 to build a power station. He worked for Harland & Wolff, the shipbuilders. Iwas born in 1962 and lived in the Gulf on and off until 1984. That's 21 years. I suppose I could be Wahhabi Allah o Akhbar. A shadwan a Mohammed a Rasool Allah (Mohammed is the son of God) But I'm definately not a Jockinese haggis muncher Mark |
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Chill man! I feel the same way you do. I hate the rampant socialism and the Barnett formula and all that. You assume I want independance and stuff. You automatically assume the worst about me. Why? |
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I think it's just the thought of pending unfair laws and penalties being imposed upon lawabiding gun owners that gets everyone hot under the collar. Then we just start ranting and the threads get lost. Just happens a bit quicker with a ban potentially on the horizon. |
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Matt, how about you, and not I tell this to my missus? Her being Scottish probably knows all this. However the cultural identity is 100%, the land changes and the current Scots cultural identity is in line with the current way Scotland operates. After all, I don't go around telling everyone I am a Dane, when pretty much all my ancient ancestry is Danish/Viking because my family are from Newcastle.
Actually, I really prefer the Jedburgh road, the A697 or something, its lovely anyway, and it's where the proper border is. But in essence you are right |
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No way is Streetfighter THAT old.
Man, no wonder you're so grumpy |
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He was born mean Matt |
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Fixed it for ya Matt |
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Mel Gibson was for you… …the rest is just a rant at the Jockinese in general. ANdy |
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As Salaam Alaikum! Osama Bin Streetfighter Linky… Click for the good old days!!! |
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That's a top secret pic. It was taken at the Batt house near Mirbat in the early '60's The beard's gone now. Vito, something makes me think you have too much time on your hands Mark |
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Two weeks sick leave again… ANdy |
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The Battle of Mirbat took place during the 1970s attempted coup in (A strategically located monarchy on the southern and eastern coasts of the Arabian Peninsula; the economy is dominated by oil) Oman. Britain assisted the Oman government by sending elements of its (A specialist regiment of the British army that is trained in commando techniques of warfare and used in clandestine operations (especially against terrorist groups)) Special Air Service to both train soldiers and compete against the Adoo guerillas for the "hearts and minds" of the Omani people. You were a tad early for the action Still that's a funny pic.. nice work Andy Remind me not to post anyomore pics of myself Taffy |
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There was also a spat in Oman from 1957-61 (my old man picked up a gong from there) so Mark could have made it, but the nappy would have been on his bum… not on his head. Andy |
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umm yeah, [cough] That was the one....f**king Zulu's and Commanchero's everywhere. Luckily we'd just invented the Trebuchet. That swung the oddds in our favour |
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Least I'm not the only one who finds Dirka Dirk, Mohammed Jihad incredibly funny.
Dave |
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…"I'm So Ronery"… I'm So Ronery I'm so ronery So ronery So ronery and sadry arone There's no one Just me onry Sitting on my rittle throne I work very hard and make up great prans But nobody ristens, no one understands Seems that no one takes me serirousry And so I'm ronery A little ronery Poor rittre me There's nobody I can rerate to Feer rike a bird in a cage It's kinda sihry But not rearry Because it's fihring my body with rage I work rearry hard to stay nice and fit But none of the women seem to give a shit When I rure the world maybe they'rr notice me But untir then I'rr just be ronery Rittre ronery, poor rittre me I'm so ronery I'm so ronery |
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You really do have too much time, Andy. |
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Back to work on Monday… enough of this taxpayer funded sickleave! ANdy |
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As most of you know I did 20yrs with MoD
When I started we were allowed up to 21 days sick a year...No questions asked It dropped to 14 a few years ago...never mind I knew a few of the girls from Admin (HR these days) very well. When negotiations were afoot over the reduction in sickness I found out People used to phone Admin and ask how many sick days they had left and when they needed to use them by It was treated as an extra 21 days leave Shocking..... Those of us who kept under 21 days stayed under the radar Taffy |
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That still happens with our civilian contractors ! |
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