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Posted: 8/1/2005 2:22:05 PM EDT
The G-36 coming up in another thread brings to mind the HK SL-8. Could that beasty be converted to UK straight pull spec?
I know this may be a sacriligious thought on ARFCOM, but Just chewin the fat…  ANdy |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 2:25:31 PM EDT
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nothing can be converted, i think there are some allready here, didnt cotswald arms do them before the govt ruined his bussiness??
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Posted: 8/1/2005 2:27:22 PM EDT
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Cotswold Arms had one once upon a time. I believe he took orders and spouted a lot of crap.
Seems like he did that with a lot of the guns he had....all one-off's. It wasn't an official HK product, pretty much like the MP5 he had....but that was on the verge of being sect5. Anyway, he got into trouble with some of the guns he was selling, and that was the last we ever heard of him. He did win his case though IIRC Mark |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 2:29:34 PM EDT
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they wernt HKs they were Bruget and frommer (sounds familiar) and they wern't sect 5 as was proved in court, the local plod just didnt like the fun stuff he was selling,
james, |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 2:35:39 PM EDT
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Brügger & Thomet BT 96
 ANdy |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 2:42:28 PM EDT
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No they weren't sect 5, I never said they were, but they were far too close to the mark. The M1 carbines were though.....well, some of them were. And I'm sure that the Springfield M1A that he had was. How else could he get a Springfield M1A receiver and build a rifle?? Springfield don't sell receivers Mark |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 2:43:55 PM EDT
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well arnt sabre also doing the M1a straight pulls?
james, |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 2:47:32 PM EDT
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Technically, no. M1A is a trademark of Springfield Armory, and those were the markings on Cotswolds offering. Sabre sell a M21 receivered rifle made by Armscorp IIRC. Sabre's rifles are definately Sect 1 mark |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 2:50:07 PM EDT
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ahh i stand corrected,
James, |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 3:00:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/2/2005 12:03:49 AM EDT
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so as long as we can get never been built on recievers, and new parts you could make anything right?
hmmmm interesting.... |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 12:24:06 AM EDT
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It would be nice if some of the EU makers would build some .22 stuff…
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Posted: 8/2/2005 12:36:13 AM EDT
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hmmm a .22 mp5 would be nice lol
or even a straight pull one, james |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:06:30 AM EDT
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That's about right Mark |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:07:18 AM EDT
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There's a place in the States that already makes them Mark |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:13:14 AM EDT
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You can get sub calibre .22 conversion kits for the MP5 but I don't think they would be even vaugely legal over here…
 ADI Austeyr do a 'proper' .22 version of the AUG… |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:49:12 AM EDT
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i know there are straight pull Mp5's out there,
but no more coming in  i suppose if you had a straight pull 9mm mp5 you could get the .22 conversion kit! hmm maybe a HK 53  hmm now that would be nice! james, |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 2:39:17 AM EDT
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There was only ever ONE straightpull MP5
Eventually it was transferred to a sect 5 dealer. And that was the end of that. There is a company in the US that makes a .22 MP5. They have an advert in an old copy of Shotgun News that I have. If I remember when I get home, I'll dig it out Mark |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:21:27 AM EDT
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In ‘reality’, they were Section 5, as they were built as semi-auto in Switzerland by B & T, and then converted after the fact. There was a major UK Company ‘allegedly’ involved in the Import of both the firearms in question so things got very political!
The sticking point with H & K actions is the roller locking lugs. The conversion on the Cotswold Arms version was to ‘swap these out’ to say it was a non-permanent arrangement was to say the least. I saw the MP5 and the Suppressed SL-8 they were selling (one of each). Both of them suffered from distinct legal problems with the barrel length, again nothing on these guns, at the time, would have stood up in court now as a readily non convertible action. Allegedly, when H&K heard about a UK straight pull version they went ‘mental’ and ‘threatened’ to remove the dealership from any agency that provided the parts to enable such a production. Political pressure ? As at the time they were owned by …. ….BAE I have been after a straight pull HK for years, but looks like it will never happen |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:25:47 AM EDT
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ahh i thought there was more than one, i seem to remember them being reviewed in target gun some years back, Gutted i'd always hoped id be able to get one
james, |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:41:21 AM EDT
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OK then I'll admit to being interested in a HK straight pull or 22 semiCheers
Why won't HK made them and sell direct to the UK market through themselves or a third party I thought if the firearms were originaly made as a straight pull and not a conversion it would be legit Surely there is a market for them here and in Europe Cheers Taffy |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:54:21 AM EDT
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You would think so Taff!… how hard can it be to build an SL-8 with a .22 barrel? There must be a worldwide market for the the things, after all, look at the number of .22 AR's that sell in the USA.
ANdy |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:59:34 AM EDT
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The same way that RO wouldn't sell straight pull L98A1's to the UK civilian market despite their engineers, work force and accountants telling them it was a good idea.
The common theme, British defence contractors, The UK political system doesn't like current military kit sold on it home shores. Especially firearms! Firearms contractors are generally 'told' not for commercial UK sale. Hence the L98's that exist went out to Canada and migrated back individually. Look at Accuracy International, happy to sell and deal out to the US and beyond. However, it has got better since Sporting Services took the UK dealership off the American idiot in charge of AI sales at Portsmouth! |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:06:05 AM EDT
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Well I can see the 'issue' with MP5's & G-36's, but as the SL-8 is sold as a sporting rifle to just about everyone but us, surely the lack of a .22 version is just a personal HK commercial decision?
ANdy |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:06:56 AM EDT
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ANdy,
Not tempted by:- that 'well respected and honest' London dealer selling the 925 quid .22 FAL then......... |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:13:26 AM EDT
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There are some excellent rifles around that are just asking to be made as a .22 version. However, I guess it is volume of sales that is the ultimate driving force! Hence our own conversion kits for the L85, not separate rifles. I would imagine that kits exist or are produced for nearly all the modern rifles? But making the UK legal....? Back round full circle!
In the meantime I'll stick with the 'arriving soon' RhinelandArms (fingers crossed) and that Sig .22 pistol if the law changes...  |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:47:09 AM EDT
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He had 8 of them last them I spoke with him, he eventually offered me one for £750 he is so desperate to offload the overpriced articles. I'll hang on a bit… ANdy |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:50:47 AM EDT
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Me likey!    http://www.rhinelandarms.com/ R22 Target Rifle Black Finish Rhineland Arms now offers the R22 with a all black finish. This finish can be applied to the existing rifles for a $10+return fee. R22 rifle, black finish, standard barrel. MSRP $435(scope and rings not inlcuded) R22 rifle, black finish, bull barrel. MSRP $435(scope and rings not inlcuded) R22 SPECS: 1. Full length weaver scope rail, from the stock to the end of the hand guard. Medium to high rise rings suggested. HK rear sight compatible, front sight coming soon. The hand Guards are threaded on the bottom for rails and accessories. 2. Free Float barrel, dimensions will be posted soon for you to supply one from your favorite barrel maker, 3. Barrels have Button made rifling and a target crown. Barrel Length 16.5", maximum width is 1.5" 4. 10/22® magazines, 5. AR 15 trigger group, will take target grade triggers. 6. AR 15 pistol Grips, FOBUS G27 standard issue. 7. Rifle overall length 35" 8. Rifle weight with regular barrel, 6.5 pounds; Rifle weight with Bull barrel,8 pounds. 9. Length of pull 13.5" 10. Made in Texas Information Exports are available on this item Canada. Importation late 2004, contact www.theshootingedge.com Germany, Austrian, Switzerland. Mid 2005. England, Mid 2005 Australians. We are not to sure about your country.Nope! They can't even buy a big shive! Caribbean Islands. Importation possible Any idea who the importers might be? Please God, don't let it be Fat Bob or Sabre! ANdy |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 5:06:54 AM EDT
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As for the .22 FAL's, are we talking about a company run by someone called Guy?
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Posted: 8/2/2005 5:09:41 AM EDT
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He's the only game in town, when he is in town that is…
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Posted: 8/2/2005 8:40:12 AM EDT
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OK, I couldn't find the advert in Shotgun News for the .22 cal MP5's, but I did find an advert for .22 UZI's.
Follow this link .22 UZI to Vector Arms website. I'm still searching for the MP5 ad Mark |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 2:09:29 PM EDT
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I heard that someone has an export licence granted for these and they'll be finished this week, and hopefully shipped next week. Not sure where I heard that though  |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:00:02 PM EDT
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I do…now ANdy |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:07:12 PM EDT
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Mine's already on order (has been for months)  Mark |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:08:37 PM EDT
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Harrumph! …Insider Trading… Harrumph! ANdy |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 3:16:41 PM EDT
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Yep, can't wait BTW, I've changed over to Firefox and the dancing banana doesn't dance  Mark |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 12:06:58 AM EDT
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There's a setting for animated gifs, or animations. Not sure where it is, preferences I think, but I'm running an older version of Firefox just now and I haven't upgraded so I cannot find the setting. It might be the 'show website icons' in 'edit/preferences/appearance' or try 'tools/image manager'. |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 2:49:54 AM EDT
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I've got Firefox 1.0.6 - can't see the animation setting anywhere, but the banana is dancing...
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Posted: 8/3/2005 9:08:28 AM EDT
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It seems to be dancing now Weird Mark |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 9:46:30 AM EDT
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How much Stella had been consumed?
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