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Posted: 3/15/2009 10:24:16 PM EDT
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We are still awaiting the wise decisions of those up high, seeing some of their decisions on other topics in the recent past it doesn't fill me with hope
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Posted: 3/16/2009 8:53:08 AM EDT
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Today, we the government, have enacted legislation that will change the laws of physics.
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Posted: 3/16/2009 10:39:46 PM EDT
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I watched a talk show on a more serious TV channel last night and they had two senior Politicians as guests, who were both from different political parties, but were both reading the current gun laws the same way. The laws are as good as they have ever been in Germany, and had the Father observed them, this disaster wouldn't have been possible. However they were both agreed that surprise inspections by the authorities to see just how gun owners store their weapons should be carried out in the future.
There was a lot of discussion about computer "shoot em up" games though  , although I don't play games like that I can see the point to a certain degree, having said that, each to their own, and live and let live.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:05:27 AM EDT
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I watched a talk show on a more serious TV channel last night and they had two senior Politicians as guests, who were both from different political parties, but were both reading the current gun laws the same way. The laws are as good as they have ever been in Germany, and had the Father observed them, this disaster wouldn't have been possible. However they were both agreed that surprise inspections by the authorities to see just how gun owners store their weapons should be carried out in the future. There was a lot of discussion about computer "shoot em up" games though , although I don't play games like that I can see the point to a certain degree, having said that, each to their own, and live and let live.
Tony If that's all they change it's a reasonable outcome. |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 9:19:02 AM EDT
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We'll just have to wait and see, one should remember it's an election year here
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They asked people in the streets, and a lot were in favour of leaving things the way they are at the present, although the media were trying to influence things in the way that only the media can, the also stated pretty much from the beginning of their reporting that the father was gross negligent in his security. The media have thoroughly pissed off the natives of the town where it happened as they have turned it into a travesty...... Tony |
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Posted: 3/19/2009 7:23:44 AM EDT
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Have there been any repercussions for the father ? License revoked ?
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Posted: 3/19/2009 8:37:37 AM EDT
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Have there been any repercussions for the father ? License revoked ? He will be in it up to his split end's. When I have more I'll post. Tony |
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Posted: 3/20/2009 8:22:55 AM EDT
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Have there been any repercussions for the father ? License revoked ? I have heard that the father has surrendered his other weapons to the authorities, just pre-empted the authorities confiscating them. Tony |
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Posted: 3/20/2009 8:45:36 AM EDT
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Have there been any repercussions for the father ? License revoked ? I have heard that the father has surrendered his other weapons to the authorities, just pre-empted the authorities confiscating them. Tony I'm surprised that the Police hadn't already seized his other firearms...I imagine that would have happened pretty quickly over here ? ? |
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Posted: 3/20/2009 10:23:55 AM EDT
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I am sure that this is just a media thing.
They will get your guns if you get cought DUI (That is a good idea!) so I am sure they took them as they came in the house the first time. For sure he will not ever again. Poor sucker. |
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Posted: 3/20/2009 10:28:36 AM EDT
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Have there been any repercussions for the father ? License revoked ? I have heard that the father has surrendered his other weapons to the authorities, just pre-empted the authorities confiscating them. Tony I'm surprised that the Police hadn't already seized his other firearms...I imagine that would have happened pretty quickly over here ? ? Not really necessary as he and his family went into hiding after the incident, and the Police have been guarding their house and contents ever since. Tony |
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Posted: 3/25/2009 8:38:17 PM EDT
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I am not trying to make this into any kind of abrasive comment but I just have to wonder.
In a Eurpoean Country, the likeliness of having someone with a firearm is soo reduced because of the firearms restrictions I would NEVER think anything like this would happen. When I visited Germany I went to one store that had shotguns AND THAT'S IT. They had airsoft {which I bought two of} and really nothing that could hold a match to what I had in my bedroom and I'm not joking. I have had one thing happen to me when this happened. It made me realize that NO MATTER how strict gun laws are, someone, with the will, can do any ammount of damage. In a Country like Germany, where I think I'd cause World War 3 for carrying any kind of weapon down the street, I believe it's just reinforcement that IF anyone has the will to do something, they'll do it. Politicians need to get that through their heads. You can't prevent everyone from doing things that may harm themselves or others. If the politicians saw it fit, we would all sit on our couch and never leave. The ammount of deaths would drop and injuries would be reduced to almost nothing. It just was the most amazing thing I've seen when I saw that Deutchland had a student go into their old school, with a FIREARM and kill people. I'm sure with some of the strictest gun laws on that Continent. Now they are looking to go house to house to check if people are doing the proper procedures? That's the most ubsurd thing I've heard of. And stop looking to blame the father. I'm sure that he and his family, including relatives and friends, are now going to be looked down upon because of one persons action. Anyone with kids should know that you don't know all of the possibilities that could happen with a kid. You just try to minimize them. Some things just can't be prevented. The kid could have gotten into a car and gone driving down the Autobahn and creemed the fuck out of a bus full of kids and killed some of them. Oh, the bus needs to be bubble wrapped now, with quadruple side impact curtain airbags and a camera that will take a picture of the perps face before it gets smashed into the steering wheel. IT NEVER ENDS. "Oh, we can fix it!" Jeez, It makes me sad. Europe has many nice things, but some things I think are lost for now in that culture. Okay, y'all can jump on me about how much gasoline my SUV uses and why you're so glad that Bush is gone now. I'm sorry to have gone into this rant. Some people die sooner than others. Most, not by choice. I just hope y'all see what I'm getting at and I'm sure you will. Nobody is perfect, including politicians. This wasn't meant to be an attack to anyone in this thread, It's just how I feel about it. I'm sick of all these other Countries blaming shit and pointing fingers, including my own.  You guys take care.
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Posted: 3/25/2009 10:04:21 PM EDT
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Jeepinva,
thanks for bringing your view's on what happened to our attention, it's great to have different takes on certain events. Where was the gun shop in Germany that you visited 
Our collective politicians are just humans, they may have agendas, and we the pawns only get one vote, they get many.
Tony |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 6:58:38 AM EDT
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Jeepinva,
no one is jumping at you. That is not our additute. I agree with you in this or that point. But I have to blame the father. Yes, he and his family will have a terible life. But cause he acted against the law his boy had it much easier to do what he did. And yes, may be you can´t stop peopel doing s**t like this. But I don´t have to make it easy for them. Don´t missunderstand me, I am pro-gun and all. But if you don´t have the responsibillity to own a gun, buy a ball. Cheers, Gunner |
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Posted: 5/8/2009 1:52:02 AM EDT
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A ban on paintball
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5291891/Germany-to-ban-paintball-in-wake-of-high-school-shooting.html |
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Posted: 9/13/2009 12:08:31 AM EDT
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Okay I promised to keep you all updated on the situation as it develops, so after having had new legislation enacted as to how we store our weapons and ammunition, and what edged weapons we are allowed to, or more to the point are no longer allowed to carry.
I give you a link to a serious newspaper article Munition und Mobbing. I know it's in German, and I'm not willing to translate it, at this time, but I wonder how long it will take for others "in the know", to break their silence. However this knowledge furthers our understanding of what caused this madness, it will never excuse the actions of a desperate young man, who for all intents and purposes needed help, whose society of stoic silence failed him, and is in all probability responsible for his actions. Tony |
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Posted: 9/13/2009 8:26:50 AM EDT
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whose society of stoic silence failed him, and is in all probability responsible for his actions
I disagree.. the guy is the ONLY one responsible of his action.. it's time to stop putting all evils on the back of the society.. I hate that. Stop de-reponsanbilizing people ! |
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Posted: 9/13/2009 8:53:30 AM EDT
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whose society of stoic silence failed him, and is in all probability responsible for his actions I disagree.. the guy is the ONLY one responsible of his action.. it's time to stop putting all evils on the back of the society.. I hate that.
Stop de-reponsanbilizing people ! Soren eta: The father should have seen the symptoms, nobody listens to a 14 year old -the sister was obviously right.... and mobbing is a terrible thing, but the kid should have been on medication, not bying 9 mm ammo. He is still responsible for his actions though. |
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Posted: 9/13/2009 11:23:12 AM EDT
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I don't really know about yourselves but I tend to do random intelligence gathering on the www, the info that I glean from this otherwise fruitless surfing is considered for what it is and where I got it and I try to make it all fit into a nice little picture. I picked up on this over at calguns forum.
Not sure if this is the right place to post but got an email from two sources in Germany that the Bundestag is meeting to discuss the banning of all handguns and possibly all guns.
But is seems handguns for sure are on the hot list since the school shooting earlier this year. Several people from Nills Grips are travelling the several hundred kilometres to the Reichstag in Berlin to testify against this looming ban. Not a clue what we can do from here, but maybe send positive thoughts? I'm going to write the Chancellor an email. Not sure if it will make any difference at all, especially coming from an American. That's it, just thought to let you all know. That was dated September the 10th 2009. Then there is the European unions drive to get the Lisbon Treaty passed, which for those who don't know what it's about:- Here are some of the things the treaty does:
Establish an EU president for a 2 and a half year term. Tony Blair is a candidate for this position, and with Sarkozys support, he's likely to get it. Establishes a foreign policy post called the 'High representative' - She/He will speak for Europe as a single entity on foreign policy matters. Countries would lose their commissioners for 1 term out of every 3. Changes the voting laws removing many national veto's (but not defence or right to life issues). Voting would be based on population bases rather than statehood, (ie. big population like france, UK, Germany more votes, small population like Ireland, Holland, Denmark less votes) Gives the Union more power over a countries Judicial system and law enforcement (though Ireland have negotiated an opt-out from this). Gives the Union more say over Climate change and the environment. National parliaments will be included in the legislative process and the size of the commission will be reduced making it more democratic. Passes the Charter of Human Rights into law and makes it legally binding to all member states. Now if this treaty comes to pass, and the right dishonourable Tony Blair is in charge for the first two year's, then I guess we will all be looking for a new hobby, as his attitude to privately owned firearms is reflected in the UK's ban and legislation. When I said:- However this knowledge furthers our understanding of what caused this madness, it will never excuse the actions of a desperate young man, who for all intents and purposes needed help, whose society of stoic silence failed him, and is in all probability responsible for his actions.
It was taken out of context, and not as part of the whole sentence, in which it belonged. Taken as you quoted it you would be correct, at the end of the day Tim K. did the crime, but being thorough in my research I like to get as many facts as possible. While we are thinking about responsibility, one only needs to look to the world leader's past and present for guidance and example setting in this area, not. Tony |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 8:19:06 AM EDT
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Today in Germany we have had another young man go berserk.
Link I'm beginning to think that there is something seriously wrong with the mentality of the youth of today, this comes as after a 50 year old man was beaten to death by two young men as he was trying to protect a group of children, on a railway station near Munich last week. link. Tony |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 12:03:38 PM EDT
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Lack of morals and right and wrong IMHO
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