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Posted: 2/13/2021 1:53:40 PM EDT
Good morning,
I have been a member here for a long time and don’t post that often. I am concerned about all the anti gun attacks and threats. I do everything I can to support our cause but is there anything else I can be doing I send emails write letters and make phone calls but I am limited as I am disabled and on a fixed income. Any suggestions appreciated |
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[#1]
Contacting your representatives and speaking out is always needed and useful. If your representatives aren't hearing from those they represent then they are under no compulsion to do what is right for the cause of Constitutional freedom. Keep on sending them your voice!!
And thanks for taking part, there are some that just sit on their rears and do nothing then complain when things go south...a very bad American trait. |
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By the way...what part of the state do you live in?...if that's a MYOB question...you won't hurt my feelings.
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steelwarrior26, Thanks for doing your part.Sounds like you're doing about all that can be done for now by contacting your legislators ,Don't forget the governor, the Sheriffs, and the Sheriffs assoc.
Thanks Mike |
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[#5]
Any updates on the current SAPA bill, last I heard it passed the House and got sent to the Senate? I have not heard any more. TIA
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[#9]
I think we should have a new post every time.
Makes our little HTF look more active than it actually is. ![]() |
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[#12]
Maybe when the weather gets better they could have a rally to show the we are together in this fight?
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[#13]
There's normally a gun rights rally in Jeff City every Spring, but I doubt you'd get many people to meet before that.
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Quoted: There's normally a gun rights rally in Jeff City every Spring, but I doubt you'd get many people to meet before that. View Quote Last years was cancelled... this year they might ban it, erect fences, and have the national guard camp out as security for a few months... oh wait... no that's DC I'm thinking of. |
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I was going to last years but ended up cancelled. I am disabled and spend most of my time in a wheelchair but I won’t let that stop me. Hope they organize something soon as we need to keep this in there face.
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Quoted: I am disabled and spend most of my time in a wheelchair but I won't let that stop me. View Quote Me too, but I've still gone to a few. ![]() I've missed some because I couldn't find a place to park, and now I can't drive anymore, but this last one I already had someone on here who volunteered to come get me. It's worth going, to show numbers. |
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The MO House just passed a bill to allow CCW on public transportation, and it's ready to head over to the Senate.
https://krcgtv.com/news/local/missouri-house-passes-bill-for-guns-on-buses-public-transit |
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Rally Day is on for this year. Set for Wed, April 28th. I've got to go update some websites and make a flyer. I expect GCLA and WMSA will make flyers as well. I'll post a proper announcement after I get that stuff done.
See you guys there. |
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Quoted: Me too, but I've still gone to a few. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51036/2009-4-1_Gun_Rights_Rally__39__jpg-1828879.JPG I've missed some because I couldn't find a place to park, and now I can't drive anymore, but this last one I already had someone on here who volunteered to come get me. It's worth going, to show numbers. View Quote Damn, sorry to hear that. I miss going to those, especially when Mark Perez was still around. |
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Quoted: Damn, sorry to hear that. I miss going to those, especially when Mark Perez was still around. View Quote Thank you. ![]() https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/RALLY-DAY-Wed-April-28-2021/32-652893/ |
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Any update on the hearing. I suppose that the MSA was there crying their crocodile tears in big puddles and spreading the lies.
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Yeah, definitely too many threads on this subject.
Anyway, so the local news was talking about how they are "tabling" this Bill in the state Senate, but am I correct in understanding they are actually going to hold a vote on this soon? Can anyone explain in laymen's terms what is actually happening with this? |
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From what I understand HB85 has passed out of GAFO committee and has been turned in. It would be up to Sen. Caleb Rowden to call for the bill to be brought up & debated before a final vote.
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Quoted: From what I understand HB85 has passed out of GAFO committee and has been turned in. It would be up to Sen. Caleb Rowden to call for the bill to be brought up & debated before a final vote. View Quote I wouldn’t expect a vote on this bill before the last day or two. If they have to PQ it, that will poison the waters and nothing else will get done. |
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I don't see how this Bill will ever have more support than it does now. If they won't pass it, I'm not optimistic it will ever pass.
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Quoted: I wouldn’t expect a vote on this bill before the last day or two. If they have to PQ it, that will poison the waters and nothing else will get done. View Quote When I talked with Senator Schatz's assistant at the rally she said they were NOT going to PQ...of course we'll wait and see. The ball's in motion and we just have to see how far our "Representatives" move it. ![]() |
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Quoted: When I talked with Senator Schatz's assistant at the rally she said they were NOT going to PQ...of course we'll wait and see. The ball's in motion and we just have to see how far our "Representatives" move it. ![]() View Quote Well I think you had a taste of what its opponents will do last time it was on the floor... no doubt this time we will end up knowing about all of the apostles and their buddies instead of just Timothy. |
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I only read the first page, but here's a GD thread about it;
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/NFA-items-are-now-legal-in-MO-tax-stamps-are-out-the-window-/5-2452833/ |
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From Ron Calzone via email:
As you know, after 9 years of effort by literally thousands of liberty-loving Missourians and some hard-working office holders, including Rep. Jered Taylor and Sen. Eric Burlison, we passed the Missouri Second Amendment Preservation Act (SAPA) last May. Governor Parson signed HB 85 on June 12. Although the emergency clause placed it into law immediately upon the Governor's signature, it actually becomes fully enforceable on August 28th. In anticipation of the limits SAPA places on officials' ability to infringe on your right to bear arms, Kansas City, Jackson County, St. Louis City, and St. Louis County have challenged the constitutionality of HB 85. Consistent with the opposition claims we've heard for 8 years, they say it violates the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution and that it will hinder their efforts to get hardened criminals off the street. No surprise. What is a surprise is their claim that HB 85 violates their power as chartered cities and counties under the Missouri Constitution. They claim that the Missouri Constitution gives them the exclusive authority to dictate hiring of employees and establishment of their duties and that SAPA's enforcement provisions are contrary to that authority. They seem to be grasping at straws. The Missouri Constitution plainly states that the provisions of city and county charters have to be consistent with state statutes - that would include SAPA. Indeed, state statutes have stipulated qualifications for law-enforcement officers (e.g. POST certification) and made provisions for discipline of the same for many years. The lawsuit also alleges the bill violates the single subject requirements in the Constitution, but it's clear that every provision of the bill is aimed at protecting our right to bear arms. More straw-grasping. We knew SAPA would be challenged in court. Frankly, I suspected they would have come up with better arguments than they have. If this is their best shot, it will take some pretty lame judges to rule in their favor. Unfortunately, we have some pretty lame judges! The first public hearing in this case is dealing with a motion for a preliminary injunction on the bill. It's scheduled for 1:30 on Thursday, August 19, in the Division 2 courtroom at the Cole Courthouse in Jefferson City. You can attend this hearing. Track the case here: 21AC-CC00237 - CITY OF ST. LOUIS ET AL V STATE OF MISSOURI ET AL For legal geeks, here are the pertinent legal documents thus far: http://www.mofirst.org/docs/SAPA-Case/City-and-County-Amended-petition.pdf http://www.mofirst.org/docs/SAPA-Case/AG-Answer.pdf http://www.mofirst.org/docs/SAPA-Case/City-and-County-Amended-petition.pdf Judge Dan Green is the judge at this stage of the litigation process. I think he will be solid, but the appellate judges are another story. The Attorney General's office is defending SAPA. A.G. Eric Schmitt seems to be committed to protecting the bill, and his people have done a good job so far. OUR ACE IN THE HOLE No stone will be left unturned in the effort to defend SAPA. Dave Roland of the public interest law-firm, the Freedom Center of Missouri, has been instrumental in the drafting and amending of SAPA from its inception to passage. The Freedom Center is not done. Dave intends to participate in this lawsuit with amicus briefs at the appropriate time -- particularly when the case is in the Missouri Supreme Court. (It will go directly to the Supreme Court after the Cole County Court, since the case raises a constitutional question.) The Freedom Center has been in the middle of protecting our liberty for several years, including winning the landmark case that ensures unpaid citizens can weigh in on the legislative process without registering as a lobbyist (Calzone v. Missouri Ethics Commission). Indeed, the Freedom Center is already on top of the challenge to SAPA. Read their article, St. Louis Lawsuit Against Second Amendment Preservation Act is Totally Baseless. So, what can YOU do to help defend SAPA? We may, in the future, call for letters to the editor all across the state; you can help with that at the appropriate time. But for now, the best thing you can do is help support the Freedom Center so they can afford to support our position in this legal challenge -- we don't want to put all of our eggs in the A.G.'s basket. The Freedom Center depends on donations -- they never charge clients. All their cases are aimed at defending our Constitutionally protected rights. Please go here to make a one-time donation, or do like I do and send them support every month: www.mofreedom.org/donate I'll try to keep you appraised as this case progresses. View Quote TLDR version: St. Louis City, and St. Louis County have challenged the constitutionality of HB 85. The first public hearing in this case is dealing with a motion for a preliminary injunction on the bill. It's scheduled for 1:30 on Thursday, August 19, in the Division 2 courtroom at the Cole Courthouse in Jefferson City. You can attend this hearing. |
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Quoted: From Ron Calzone via email: TLDR version: St. Louis City, and St. Louis County have challenged the constitutionality of HB 85. The first public hearing in this case is dealing with a motion for a preliminary injunction on the bill. It's scheduled for 1:30 on Thursday, August 19, in the Division 2 courtroom at the Cole Courthouse in Jefferson City. You can attend this hearing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: From Ron Calzone via email: As you know, after 9 years of effort by literally thousands of liberty-loving Missourians and some hard-working office holders, including Rep. Jered Taylor and Sen. Eric Burlison, we passed the Missouri Second Amendment Preservation Act (SAPA) last May. Governor Parson signed HB 85 on June 12. Although the emergency clause placed it into law immediately upon the Governor's signature, it actually becomes fully enforceable on August 28th. In anticipation of the limits SAPA places on officials' ability to infringe on your right to bear arms, Kansas City, Jackson County, St. Louis City, and St. Louis County have challenged the constitutionality of HB 85. Consistent with the opposition claims we've heard for 8 years, they say it violates the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution and that it will hinder their efforts to get hardened criminals off the street. No surprise. What is a surprise is their claim that HB 85 violates their power as chartered cities and counties under the Missouri Constitution. They claim that the Missouri Constitution gives them the exclusive authority to dictate hiring of employees and establishment of their duties and that SAPA's enforcement provisions are contrary to that authority. They seem to be grasping at straws. The Missouri Constitution plainly states that the provisions of city and county charters have to be consistent with state statutes - that would include SAPA. Indeed, state statutes have stipulated qualifications for law-enforcement officers (e.g. POST certification) and made provisions for discipline of the same for many years. The lawsuit also alleges the bill violates the single subject requirements in the Constitution, but it's clear that every provision of the bill is aimed at protecting our right to bear arms. More straw-grasping. We knew SAPA would be challenged in court. Frankly, I suspected they would have come up with better arguments than they have. If this is their best shot, it will take some pretty lame judges to rule in their favor. Unfortunately, we have some pretty lame judges! The first public hearing in this case is dealing with a motion for a preliminary injunction on the bill. It's scheduled for 1:30 on Thursday, August 19, in the Division 2 courtroom at the Cole Courthouse in Jefferson City. You can attend this hearing. Track the case here: 21AC-CC00237 - CITY OF ST. LOUIS ET AL V STATE OF MISSOURI ET AL For legal geeks, here are the pertinent legal documents thus far: http://www.mofirst.org/docs/SAPA-Case/City-and-County-Amended-petition.pdf http://www.mofirst.org/docs/SAPA-Case/AG-Answer.pdf http://www.mofirst.org/docs/SAPA-Case/City-and-County-Amended-petition.pdf Judge Dan Green is the judge at this stage of the litigation process. I think he will be solid, but the appellate judges are another story. The Attorney General's office is defending SAPA. A.G. Eric Schmitt seems to be committed to protecting the bill, and his people have done a good job so far. OUR ACE IN THE HOLE No stone will be left unturned in the effort to defend SAPA. Dave Roland of the public interest law-firm, the Freedom Center of Missouri, has been instrumental in the drafting and amending of SAPA from its inception to passage. The Freedom Center is not done. Dave intends to participate in this lawsuit with amicus briefs at the appropriate time -- particularly when the case is in the Missouri Supreme Court. (It will go directly to the Supreme Court after the Cole County Court, since the case raises a constitutional question.) The Freedom Center has been in the middle of protecting our liberty for several years, including winning the landmark case that ensures unpaid citizens can weigh in on the legislative process without registering as a lobbyist (Calzone v. Missouri Ethics Commission). Indeed, the Freedom Center is already on top of the challenge to SAPA. Read their article, St. Louis Lawsuit Against Second Amendment Preservation Act is Totally Baseless. So, what can YOU do to help defend SAPA? We may, in the future, call for letters to the editor all across the state; you can help with that at the appropriate time. But for now, the best thing you can do is help support the Freedom Center so they can afford to support our position in this legal challenge -- we don't want to put all of our eggs in the A.G.'s basket. The Freedom Center depends on donations -- they never charge clients. All their cases are aimed at defending our Constitutionally protected rights. Please go here to make a one-time donation, or do like I do and send them support every month: www.mofreedom.org/donate I'll try to keep you appraised as this case progresses. TLDR version: St. Louis City, and St. Louis County have challenged the constitutionality of HB 85. The first public hearing in this case is dealing with a motion for a preliminary injunction on the bill. It's scheduled for 1:30 on Thursday, August 19, in the Division 2 courtroom at the Cole Courthouse in Jefferson City. You can attend this hearing. KC and Jackson County joined as well. |
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Ron's update from yesterday.
Ron Calzone I'm leaving the Cole County Courthouse, where St. Louis City, St. Louis County, Kansas City and Jackson County are trying to get Judge Dan Green to declare the Second Amendment Preservation Act unconstitutional. Solicitor General John Sauer did a great job representing the Attorney General and the legislature's position. The plaintiffs' arguments, on the other hand, were as weak as their prior briefs had been. They seem to be focused more on policy than the law, and that does not bode well for their side, because it's the general assembly's purview to decide policy; the court can only weigh in on law. Of course, SAPA it's also legally solid and my prediction is the plaintiffs will be the ones appealing the case not our side. Judge Green considered the case submitted and said he would try to have an opinion within a week. The next stop will be the Missouri Supreme Court. Fortunately, the Attorney General seems to be committed to defending this law, and David Roland of the Freedom Center of Missouri and the Missouri Firearms Coalition are on top of it with amicus briefs. View Quote |
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And a loss for STL city/county and Jackson County... I guess it's easy to waste other peoples money.
“Today’s ruling was an important victory for the Missouri Attorney General’s Office over the Biden Department of Justice, and for the Second Amendment rights of all Missourians,” Attorney General Eric Schmitt said. “Since the Second Amendment Preservation Act was passed, I promised to fiercely defend the law and Missourians’ Second Amendment rights — that’s exactly what we did in this case and will continue to do moving forward.” View Quote https://themissouritimes.com/cole-county-judge-denies-attempt-to-block-sapa/ |
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