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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Sheriff’s Offices expected to lose funds over permitless carry bill

Posted: 4/14/2022 8:47:29 AM EDT

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC) - It’s been a month since Governor Kay Ivey signed a bill eliminating the state permit requirement to carry a concealed handgun.

With the lack of permits next year, many sheriff’s offices are expected to lose revenue. Exactly how much though, has yet to be determined.

Even so, law enforcement must still perform their duties and serve the public, so finding out how to make up for the loss in revenue will be important.

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Even though concealed carry permits will no longer be required in our states, Sheriff Shearon says many have told him they will still purchase a permit for peace of mind or travel.

“Having a pistol permit from your home state -- a lot of times, as long as you have that, they’re going to honor that in most other states,” he said. “Some states won’t, but for the most part – they would probably honor that and it shouldn’t be an issue.”

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/04/14/sheriffs-offices-expected-lose-funds-over-permitless-carry-bill/

LOL. Here is an idea. Tell us what you spent the permit fee money on in the past. Then the public can make the decision to tell the county commission to increase your budget.

Or is it, ya'll have been spending money from a no accountability slush fund on things you really don't want people to know about?

Posted: 4/14/2022 9:04:14 AM EDT

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I have always wondered why they don't say what the money is allotted too. If the cause was good, I wouldn't need to be forced, I would gladly keep getting a permit to help.

Posted: 4/14/2022 1:51:49 PM EDT

[#2]

Here's a dastardly thought - I wonder how hard it would be to see how many sheriffs own exquisite / lavish vacation property in / out of Alabama. I'm not talking about a small cabin or trailer on the river or lake, but McMansions. The ones who squawk the most about the lost income (if not accountable or made public) would be the primary suspects. JMHO.

IIRC, there was an incident a few years back where an Etowah County lawman was using jail cafeteria money to pay for some beach property. Apparently, the law about expenditures / accountability regarding that was vague, but he did it anyway.

Others can chime in if they know better details or have other examples.

Obviously, not all sheriffs and law enforcement are this way.

Posted: 4/14/2022 5:49:53 PM EDT

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Here's a dastardly thought - I wonder how hard it would be to see how many sheriffs own exquisite / lavish vacation property in / out of Alabama. I'm not talking about a small cabin or trailer on the river or lake, but McMansions. The ones who squawk the most about the lost income (if not accountable or made public) would be the primary suspects. JMHO.

IIRC, there was an incident a few years back where an Etowah County lawman was using jail cafeteria money to pay for some beach property. Apparently, the law about expenditures / accountability regarding that was vague, but he did it anyway.

Others can chime in if they know better details or have other examples.

Obviously, not all sheriffs and law enforcement are this way.

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I don't think they proved the money to buy the beach property came from the jail food fund.

But the law at the time, said the sheriff had a say a $1.50 to feed each prisoner. If he went over budget, he had to pay the balance personally.

If they can feed the prisoners, meet the minimum nutrition requirements, for less than a $1.50, then he could keep the difference. 100% legal to do at the time.

I do know at least one sheriff uses the pistol permit money to pay for his deputies FOP membership so that the sheriff dept controls that FOP lodge.

Posted: 4/14/2022 10:20:06 PM EDT

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I don't think they proved the money to buy the beach property came from the jail food fund.

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And that might be the rub. If a sheriff supplements his income from some sort of program within his county, it might be very difficult to prove he spent it on frivolities (beach / lake houses, etc.) or food, gas, utilities, etc.

I think the best approach, if it doesn't come under control of the state, like the Dept. of Conservation, is to pass a law saying that ALL CCW permits fees are accountable, under threat of incarceration for non-compliance.

JMHO.

Posted: 4/15/2022 2:40:32 AM EDT

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Bullshit. Law abiding people, like myself, will still pay the extortion payments because I need that permit while traveling to nearby states.

Criminals will be criminals and will not care about carry laws.

Posted: 4/15/2022 8:26:28 AM EDT

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And that might be the rub. If a sheriff supplements his income from some sort of program within his county, it might be very difficult to prove he spent it on frivolities (beach / lake houses, etc.) or food, gas, utilities, etc.

I think the best approach, if it doesn't come under control of the state, like the Dept. of Conservation, is to pass a law saying that ALL CCW permits fees are accountable, under threat of incarceration for non-compliance.

JMHO.

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I don't think they proved the money to buy the beach property came from the jail food fund.

And that might be the rub. If a sheriff supplements his income from some sort of program within his county, it might be very difficult to prove he spent it on frivolities (beach / lake houses, etc.) or food, gas, utilities, etc.

I think the best approach, if it doesn't come under control of the state, like the Dept. of Conservation, is to pass a law saying that ALL CCW permits fees are accountable, under threat of incarceration for non-compliance.

JMHO.

Even if he used surplus money from the jail fund to buy a beach house, at that time 100% legal.

Posted: 4/18/2022 12:51:03 PM EDT

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BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC) - It's been a month since Governor Kay Ivey signed a bill eliminating the state permit requirement to carry a concealed handgun.
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Or is it, ya'll have been spending money from a no accountability slush fund on things you really don't want people to know about?

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Posted: 4/18/2022 1:47:31 PM EDT

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Good.

Posted: 4/18/2022 6:42:49 PM EDT

[#9]

Didn't they tack on some amendments that created a fund that the sheriff's can access to offset the lost revenue?

Posted: 4/18/2022 9:51:52 PM EDT

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Bullshit. Law abiding people, like myself, will still pay the extortion payments because I need that permit while traveling to nearby states.

Criminals will be criminals and will not care about carry laws.

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It wouldn't surprise me to see permits stay stable or actually increase, once people who normally don't carry get comfortable with it, and find out about reciprocity.

Posted: 4/18/2022 10:52:40 PM EDT

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Because i do travel to nearby states that have reciprocoty (last trip covered recip from Bama to WY) i will renew. I don't even mind that permit fees might go to some slush fund at the county if they are using it for something legit. I just don't like being forced to pay a tax on a right. That is no different than the old poll taxes for a "right" to vote.

It is still like a poll tax on the interstate level, but fixing that is the next level. My first CCP was like 35 years ago in Talladega county. Then it was a "restricted" permit (restricted meant the permit applied to a single firearm) and the state was "may issue". I honestly never thought we'd ever have permit optional.

Posted: 4/22/2022 3:26:06 PM EDT

[#12]

Too Bad. So Sad.

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