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Posted: 1/29/2006 3:03:42 PM EDT

(cross posted)

Is there any way for regular folks to check to see if firearms are stolen if doing a FTF deal?
I've actually sold guns to people in public service and some of them ran a 10-28 to check for stolen,which isn't a bad idea.
Is there any way for a regular person to do this?
I guess if you have a friend in public service they could do it for you?

Posted: 1/29/2006 3:21:59 PM EDT

[#1]

Believe it or not that is a good question.

I would like to add,

What would happen to the seller if the firearm turned out to be stolen, BUT had no idea it was.

I beleive the seller would have turn over the firearm, BUT would any charges be brought against the seller?

Posted: 1/29/2006 4:39:19 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
Believe it or not that is a good question.

I would like to add,

What would happen to the seller if the firearm turned out to be stolen, BUT had no idea it was.

I beleive the seller would have turn over the firearm, BUT would any charges be brought against the seller?

It is my understanding that as long as you made reasonable inquiry into the status of the item when you bought it,then you are immune from criminal charge of receiving stoled property.
(probably as long as the other facts and circumstances surrounding the sale were reasonable as well)

If a LEO can call in a 10-28,can regular folks do it?

Posted: 1/29/2006 5:06:15 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:

If a LEO can call in a 10-28,can regular folks do it?

Why would you want to call in a 10-28 on a possible stolen firearm? Wouldn't you rather call in a 10-29? Better get your updated ten-code list and start memorizing it.

I know I can do it and do it anytime I come in contact with a big ticket item (car, gun, boat, 4-wheeler, etc). Saves me some possible headache. The bigger question is, do I fit into the title of "regular folks"?

Oh, and hey, don't ask us. Call the friggin' soul sisters up in records and try it for yourself and then tell us what they said. Or, borrow your friends radio, tune it to "O" Ocean, give them a designator like Charlie-30 or something and see if they'll give you a return.

Posted: 1/29/2006 7:24:19 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Quoted:

If a LEO can call in a 10-28,can regular folks do it?

Why would you want to call in a 10-28 on a possible stolen firearm? Wouldn't you rather call in a 10-29? Better get your updated ten-code list and start memorizing it.

I know I can do it and do it anytime I come in contact with a big ticket item (car, gun, boat, 4-wheeler, etc). Saves me some possible headache. The bigger question is, do I fit into the title of "regular folks"?

Oh, and hey, don't ask us. Call the friggin' soul sisters up in records and try it for yourself and then tell us what they said. Or, borrow your friends radio, tune it to "O" Ocean, give them a designator like Charlie-30 or something and see if they'll give you a return.

10-29 *is* check for 'wanted' isn't it?
my bad.

TwoBravo,I don't think you fit into the category of 'regular folks' since you are a firefighter.
Obviously you can call in a gun from an individual anytime you want 24/7.
Could you call one in for me if i wanted you to?
(obviously you and I will never get that far....but i'm just asking hypothetically)

As tempting as it sounds,I don't think i will try to call one in to Ocean from a friend's radio.
i just don't see any good coming out of that deal.

Are you saying that I can actually call records,though,and find out info about the gun?

Posted: 1/29/2006 8:33:15 PM EDT

[#5]

When I worked at the SO if someone called and asked us, we would do a 10-29 on a firearm they might be wanting to purchase, you might call your local PD or SO (NOT 911!) non emergency phone and ask them.

The key thing to do is to know your seller, if you know the person, and know they would never have anything to do with a stolen item, that's the best insurance you can get.

If you are found with a stolen item and are innocent of any personal wrongdoing, it can be returned to the rightful owner, and you will be SOL.

Posted: 1/29/2006 8:39:59 PM EDT

[#6]

10-29 is stolen. Somtimes it i used incorrectly neg.wanted or wanted. Depeding ere you that may be 10-44. Switching to Ocean would do little. NCIC is on teletype. Ocean is local only. Firemen can not run stuff legally more than any other peeps. They just have friends do it the same as anybody else with a friend. Some pds/sos will do it for anybody. Damn I had to retype thi 3 times. I am on my mdt at a part time.

Posted: 1/29/2006 8:52:45 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Quoted:

If a LEO can call in a 10-28,can regular folks do it?

Why would you want to call in a 10-28 on a possible stolen firearm? Wouldn't you rather call in a 10-29? Better get your updated ten-code list and start memorizing it.

I know I can do it and do it anytime I come in contact with a big ticket item (car, gun, boat, 4-wheeler, etc). Saves me some possible headache. The bigger question is, do I fit into the title of "regular folks"?

Oh, and hey, don't ask us. Call the friggin' soul sisters up in records and try it for yourself and then tell us what they said. Or, borrow your friends radio, tune it to "O" Ocean, give them a designator like Charlie-30 or something and see if they'll give you a return.

Listen two-bravo i know you are only trying to be a good person but your "LEO" advise on this board astounds me. I honetly hope you are joking. but after you defended yourself onthe dropgun thing im not sure right now.

Posted: 1/30/2006 1:44:02 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
If you are found with a stolen item and are innocent of any personal wrongdoing, it can be returned to the rightful owner, and you will be SOL.

This is very true,good point.

Posted: 1/30/2006 1:49:58 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Firemen can not run stuff legally more than any other peeps. They just have friends do it the same as anybody else with a friend.

So you're saying my LEO and firefighter friends cannot LEGALLY call in a 10-29 on a person's gun that they or I am wanting to buy?
Why would that be illegal?

Posted: 1/30/2006 2:18:27 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Firemen can not run stuff legally more than any other peeps. They just have friends do it the same as anybody else with a friend.

So you're saying my LEO and firefighter friends cannot LEGALLY call in a 10-29 on a person's gun that they or I am wanting to buy?
Why would that be illegal?

fireman cant do it period,its not part of a firemans job to run 29's on items, unless you are a cleet certified fire marshal.

Posted: 1/30/2006 9:19:41 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

10-29 *is* check for 'wanted' isn't it?
my bad.

TwoBravo,I don't think you fit into the category of 'regular folks' since you are a firefighter.
Obviously you can call in a gun from an individual anytime you want 24/7.
Could you call one in for me if i wanted you to?
(obviously you and I will never get that far....but i'm just asking hypothetically)

As tempting as it sounds,I don't think i will try to call one in to Ocean from a friend's radio.
i just don't see any good coming out of that deal.

Are you saying that I can actually call records,though,and find out info about the gun?

What's being a firefighter got to do with anything? I've never once identified myself as a firefighter when checking to see if something was reported as stolen. Firefighters have no law enforcement capabilities that I know of. At least, I don't.

Could I call something in for you? Hypothetically, sure I could.

Yes, I am saying you can actually call records. The only "info" we were talking about finding out though, was whether or not the gun was stolen. Again, give them a call and then come back on here and tell us what they said.

Posted: 1/30/2006 9:26:01 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Listen two-bravo i know you are only trying to be a good person but your "LEO" advise on this board astounds me. I honetly hope you are joking. but after you defended yourself onthe dropgun thing im not sure right now.

You don't know much then. How do you KNOW I'm only trying to be a good person? Huh?

Yes, that part of my response was a joke, but even if it wasn't, a guy would have to be a potato head to do what I suggested now wouldn't he?

I didn't know that I ever needed to defend myself on the "drop gun" thing. I only stated what my experience was. Are you talking about something different? Send a PM or something.

Posted: 1/30/2006 12:33:23 PM EDT

[#13]

Not bad, shcitze! Getting everybody stroked up with your baiting!

You really are an instigator!
Watch out, guys! Schitze may turn out to be more of a provacateur than JN!

Posted: 1/30/2006 2:33:53 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Not bad, shcitze! Getting everybody stroked up with your baiting! You really are an instigator!
Watch out, guys! Schitze may turn out to be more of a provacateur than JN!

nice try.
I cross posted this on a few forums just to get as many responses as i could.
I had a couple of people do it during a transaction so i just wondered if there was anyway a 'civilian' could do it for self protection.

Posted: 1/30/2006 2:36:01 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Quoted:

10-29 *is* check for 'wanted' isn't it?
my bad.

TwoBravo,I don't think you fit into the category of 'regular folks' since you are a firefighter.
Obviously you can call in a gun from an individual anytime you want 24/7.
Could you call one in for me if i wanted you to?
(obviously you and I will never get that far....but i'm just asking hypothetically)

As tempting as it sounds,I don't think i will try to call one in to Ocean from a friend's radio.
i just don't see any good coming out of that deal.

Are you saying that I can actually call records,though,and find out info about the gun?

What's being a firefighter got to do with anything? I've never once identified myself as a firefighter when checking to see if something was reported as stolen. Firefighters have no law enforcement capabilities that I know of. At least, I don't.

Could I call something in for you? Hypothetically, sure I could.

Yes, I am saying you can actually call records. The only "info" we were talking about finding out though, was whether or not the gun was stolen. Again, give them a call and then come back on here and tell us what they said.

Duly noted.
(BTW,care to PM me the number?)
I assure you that it will not break our 'agreement'.

Posted: 1/30/2006 2:54:12 PM EDT

[#16]

Go away, troll.

Posted: 1/30/2006 3:05:54 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Go away, troll.

Your opinion is duly noted as well (many times)

Posted: 1/30/2006 3:12:27 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
(cross posted)

Is there any way for regular folks to check to see if firearms are stolen if doing a FTF deal?
I've actually sold guns to people in public service and some of them ran a 10-28 to check for stolen,which isn't a bad idea.
Is there any way for a regular person to do this?
I guess if you have a friend in public service they could do it for you?

Why, you trying to unload some hot stuff and trying to find out who to look out for?

Can't your buddy MB run it for your for a few ounces of throat lube?

Just go away.

Posted: 1/30/2006 3:35:52 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Duly noted.
(BTW,care to PM me the number?)
I assure you that it will not break our 'agreement'.

596-9222 is the non emergency number for your area I think. Just listen to the choices and pick whatever option suits your needs.

Posted: 1/30/2006 3:44:15 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Quoted:

Duly noted.
(BTW,care to PM me the number?)
I assure you that it will not break our 'agreement'.

596-9222 is the non emergency number for your area I think. Just listen to the choices and pick whatever option suits your needs.

i'll give it a shot.
thanks.

Posted: 1/30/2006 3:48:57 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

Duly noted.
(BTW,care to PM me the number?)
I assure you that it will not break our 'agreement'.

596-9222 is the non emergency number for your area I think. Just listen to the choices and pick whatever option suits your needs.

i'll give it a shot.
thanks.

Will that get him unbanned Mr. "super moderator"

Posted: 1/30/2006 3:50:53 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Why, you trying to unload some hot stuff and trying to find out who to look out for?

Can't your buddy MB run it for your for a few ounces of throat lube?

Just go away.

well,see i can't ask him to do it since we are both part of the fencing ring.
That wouldn't make too much sense would it?

*****Edited to remove disrespectful comments.****

Posted: 1/30/2006 4:02:37 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:

Why, you trying to unload some hot stuff and trying to find out who to look out for?

Can't your buddy MB run it for your for a few ounces of throat lube?

Just go away.

well,see i can't ask him to do it since we are both part of the fencing ring.
That wouldn't make too much sense would it?

On a side note,Cudd,you seem too preoccupied with homoerotic oral excursions.
Are you trying to bust my balls or are you merely projecting doubts about your own sexuality?
(not that there's anything wrong with that)

No problems there, just ask your mother!

Posted: 1/30/2006 4:28:00 PM EDT

[#24]

Will that get him unbanned Mr. "super moderator"

i'd be happy to discuss that offline but TB and I have an agreement that would probably be breeched by my discussing issues between he and I.
j.p.

Posted: 1/30/2006 5:18:11 PM EDT

[#25]

As someone

posted in another thread "can't you feel the love".

Posted: 1/30/2006 8:40:46 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Quoted:

Listen two-bravo i know you are only trying to be a good person but your "LEO" advise on this board astounds me. I honetly hope you are joking. but after you defended yourself onthe dropgun thing im not sure right now.

You don't know much then. How do you KNOW I'm only trying to be a good person? Huh?
Yes, that part of my response was a joke, but even if it wasn't, a guy would have to be a potato head to do what I suggested now wouldn't he?

I didn't know that I ever needed to defend myself on the "drop gun" thing. I only stated what my experience was. Are you talking about something different? Send a PM or something.

Its cool, I beleive i mistook what you actually where saying. my bad

Posted: 1/30/2006 9:49:07 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Firemen can not run stuff legally more than any other peeps. They just have friends do it the same as anybody else with a friend.

So you're saying my LEO and firefighter friends cannot LEGALLY call in a 10-29 on a person's gun that they or I am wanting to buy?
Why would that be illegal?

Firefighters have no right to run anything or anybody(most of the time). Police are supposed to run things only for criminal investigations. According to the FBI and OLETS everything comning of a terminal are priveledged to down right classified. There have been several recent cases that have got officers in trouble for running things without a clear criminal investigation.
Tulsa police/sheriff's records will run a record check for stolen only throught the tracis system. This means that it had to be reported to TPD or TCSO.

Posted: 1/31/2006 2:00:41 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Firemen can not run stuff legally more than any other peeps. They just have friends do it the same as anybody else with a friend.

So you're saying my LEO and firefighter friends cannot LEGALLY call in a 10-29 on a person's gun that they or I am wanting to buy?
Why would that be illegal?

Firefighters have no right to run anything or anybody(most of the time). Police are supposed to run things only for criminal investigations. According to the FBI and OLETS everything comning of a terminal are priveledged to down right classified. There have been several recent cases that have got officers in trouble for running things without a clear criminal investigation.
Tulsa police/sheriff's records will run a record check for stolen only throught the tracis system. This means that it had to be reported to TPD or TCSO.

Can the records check (for non LEO) be called in 24/7,or does it have to be during reglaur business hours?

Posted: 1/31/2006 2:44:24 AM EDT

[#29]

I dont know you will have to try it. I just switch ti teletype

Posted: 1/31/2006 4:09:18 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

Tulsa police/sheriff's records will run a record check for stolen only throught the tracis system. This means that it had to be reported to TPD or TCSO.

Remember when I referred Schutze to TPD Records division? Now you know why I guess. He can't call teletype, but he can call Records Division. Silly though ain't it?

Posted: 1/31/2006 1:15:42 PM EDT

[#31]

Thanks for the info.
FWIW,records division told me that they could not give that kind of imformation out to a citizen.
what gives?
I guess the people that checked/bought my guns must have just called their own department to check?
One of the perks of the job,I suppose.

It's too bad they won't give the info out because you could definitely save yourself a headache when buying FTF from people you don't know.

Posted: 1/31/2006 5:55:52 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Thanks for the info.
FWIW,records division told me that they could not give that kind of imformation out to a citizen.
what gives?
I guess the people that checked/bought my guns must have just called their own department to check?
One of the perks of the job,I suppose.

It's too bad they won't give the info out because you could definitely save yourself a headache when buying FTF from people you don't know.

So basically, what the police just told you in a round about way is that they would rather you not know whether or not a gun you bought in good faith was stolen or not. They would rather make an arrest of a (hypothetically) law abiding citizen rather than give the person information that could save a felony on his record?

Sounds pretty strange to me. Maybe if they told you it was stolen you would go turn it in like a good citizen. I guess they'd rather not tell you anything and take their chances (or is it YOUR chances?) out in the world. Soemthing to think about I suppose.

Posted: 1/31/2006 11:22:00 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Thanks for the info.
FWIW,records division told me that they could not give that kind of imformation out to a citizen.
what gives?
I guess the people that checked/bought my guns must have just called their own department to check?
One of the perks of the job,I suppose.

It's too bad they won't give the info out because you could definitely save yourself a headache when buying FTF from people you don't know.

That's funny cause I talked to one of their supervisors last night and she said they would. Of course that really suprised me. After the security guard/warrant fiasco I did not think they would runany thing for any body.