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Posted: 5/16/2009 9:20:52 PM EDT

Assets Seized

It looks like Piazza got the court to cancel the receivership, and convinced the 2 lead plaintiffs to change course. Looks like they did such a reversal that Piazza could have been telling the truth about them stealing the money from the settlement when he said that back in November. Very interesting.

One document says the receivership is shut down – the others say, in essence, “we are class members, and we don’t like the way this is going”. They have very interesting information. I'll also post this as a reply so its at the end.

Posted: 5/16/2009 9:29:32 PM EDT

[#1]

wow. Sounds like bullshit to me.

Posted: 5/16/2009 9:35:02 PM EDT

[#2]

Sounds like bad business to me.

Posted: 5/16/2009 9:47:56 PM EDT

[#3]

Front Sight has a bad business rep.

Posted: 5/16/2009 11:16:05 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Front Sight has a bad business rep.

They also charge a LOT above average rate for their courses without (from what I've heard) offering substantially more.

If I can go to Thunder Ranch, Insights, or Gunsite and get a 2-4 day course for less than $1.5k, I really want to know why I'd pay $2k for a 4 day carbine course at Front Sight.

Piazza likes to make money.

Posted: 5/16/2009 11:18:31 PM EDT

[#5]

Fuck them...

Posted: 5/16/2009 11:19:52 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Front Sight has a bad business rep.

They also charge a LOT above average rate for their courses without (from what I've heard) offering substantially more.

If I can go to Thunder Ranch, Insights, or Gunsite and get a 2-4 day course for less than $1.5k, I really want to know why I'd pay $2k for a 4 day carbine course at Front Sight.

Piazza likes to make money.

Didn' t it include a trip to the brothel?

Posted: 5/16/2009 11:33:10 PM EDT

[#7]

...and nothing of value was lost.

Posted: 5/17/2009 1:29:37 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Front Sight has a bad business rep.

They also charge a LOT above average rate for their courses without (from what I've heard) offering substantially more.

If I can go to Thunder Ranch, Insights, or Gunsite and get a 2-4 day course for less than $1.5k, I really want to know why I'd pay $2k for a 4 day carbine course at Front Sight.

Piazza likes to make money.

Didn' t it include a trip to the brothel?

For that kind of money, she had better have been, like, a 17 on the 1-10 scale.

Posted: 5/17/2009 1:46:01 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Front Sight has a bad business rep.

They also charge a LOT above average rate for their courses without (from what I've heard) offering substantially more.

If I can go to Thunder Ranch, Insights, or Gunsite and get a 2-4 day course for less than $1.5k, I really want to know why I'd pay $2k for a 4 day carbine course at Front Sight.

Piazza likes to make money.

Didn' t it include a trip to the brothel?

For that kind of money, she had better have been, like, a 17 on the 1-10 scale.

On the scale of Gary Busey to Jessica Alba, she was a solid 4.5..... wait... what?

Posted: 5/17/2009 7:11:08 AM EDT

[#10]

While not involved in any of their business, I can say that I've been more than happy with my own FS experiences. Lotsa money, but, I came away satisfied. I am kinda nervous now, seeing as how I have a $2000 course paid for and maybe no course to attend. I had given it to my boys to use, but they ain't there yet. I hope the facility remains intact and open for biz. I've met and spoken to Ignatz many times. A cheesy guy, certainly has the used car salesman personality. But, then what would you expect from a chiropractor?

Posted: 5/17/2009 7:22:26 AM EDT

[#11]

What Bobbity said.
I've been to Frontsite and the training was great!
But, Piazza was trying to sell memberships.
And he was always ready to talk to you about them, in a car salesman kind of way.
IIRC the original lifetime memberships were $100,000+
Which sucks for those guys
Because I got my training certificates off ebay for $100 a class.

Posted: 5/17/2009 9:31:35 AM EDT

[#12]

didn't say their training was bad, didn't say their instructors weren't good. Was talking about their business affairs.

Posted: 5/19/2009 11:19:29 AM EDT

[#13]

Front Sight Receivership dissolved as of Monday 18 May links to court orders

Here are the docs in pdf

11 May 2009 into Receivership

http://invictus.websitetoolbox.com/file?id=784765

18 May 2009 Receivership dissolved

http://invictus.websitetoolbox.com/file?id=784766

Posted: 5/19/2009 11:42:28 AM EDT

[#14]

[1GR]Where in Washington is this place?[/1GR]

Posted: 5/19/2009 12:32:38 PM EDT

[#15]

So what did the receiver discover, I wonder...

Posted: 5/19/2009 3:01:34 PM EDT

[#16]

Also what Bobbity said, I love the class we took, the instructors were top shelf… back in 2005-2006 FS had lifetime memberships for $500… maybe I should have bought one then!

Posted: 6/11/2009 4:22:07 PM EDT

[#17]

You get what you pay for. Depends if you feel cheted after (they...he?) drops the price for someone else. I'd take offence to that too. Why did Tom G keep going there knowing that it was a cheesely place to do business? I've talked to former inst. there stateing they got shafted out of agreed wages. Won't see me there. Don't want to add to the problem. Too much $. Thunder Ranch.........OKLA shooting acdy....there are others.

Posted: 6/11/2009 5:24:17 PM EDT

[#18]

Holy thread resurrection Batman!

Posted: 6/11/2009 8:59:26 PM EDT

[#19]

No shit! An infiltrator from CA................................

Posted: 6/15/2009 12:41:46 PM EDT

[#20]

It looks like Piazza got the court to cancel the receivership, and convinced the 2 lead plaintiffs to change course. Looks like they did such a reversal that Piazza could have been telling the truth about them stealing the money from the settlement when he said that back in November. Very interesting.

One document says the receivership is shut down – the others say, in essence, “we are class members, and we don’t like the way this is going”. They have very interesting information.