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Posted: 11/25/2007 8:16:37 PM EDT
www.drudgereport.com/flash9pb.htm Just trying to make RedDawg6 feel more at home.... |
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Hasn't Strat been screaming this shit from the rooftops for years?
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Well, yes, actually. |
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Time to buy more bullets.... |
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I dont remember your property looking like that... |
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+1 |
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Thanks Bunny, I feel vindicated now! |
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I don't agree with everything Strat or Buchanan says, but they do make some good points. See my latest blog post for some recent articles that really bug me.
Land stolen from a Colorado couple. UAV's being used for domestic surveillance, tracking cellphones without adequate probable cause, forced immunizations and blood test on unwilling children? This doesn't sound like the America I know. |
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I looked at your BLOG. You say there are no presidental candidates who are willing to address the issues we are facing. I suggest hat you check out Ron Paul. He is the one and only constitutionalist who is running for president. His support is growing by leaps and bounds as more and more people are getting his message. Here's his website: www.ronpaul2008.com |
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Can't say as I agree with everything Mr. Buchanan said, but I agree with a lot of it.
+1 on the bullets. I think Buchanan would probably agree with that sentiment. You know, he and Hunter Thompson had a good working relationship, when HST was covering the '72 election. |
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So, when do we raid Phil's for ammo? |
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Sounds to me like dying is in our forecast no matter what. Like there is no way to cheat death...hmmmm, interesting
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Prove it. Prove I will die if I don't join. Is this your idea of how to win friends and influence people? I want your own words, not anecdotes from the founding fathers. Not everyone that was against or neutral on America's independence from Mother England was considered a traitor or deserving of death. Some folks just want to be left alone by both sides to succeed or fail on their own. to make deals with or avoid who they wish, as they deem appropriate for their family. This "all or nothing" bullshit is bullshit. |
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Did any of you see the video of Judge Andrew Napolitano speaking at the future freedom foundation?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=35yhSifZ5jI&feature=related It seems to match up with what Pat has to say and This one from a similar forum... www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0LvtQAQ6sc I'll have to admit, I'm concerned and trying to wake up as many of my friends as possible. Your next vote really counts. (or at least I hope it does) |
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Don't worry. When they get you, you'll know. |
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Don't hold your breath.
Don't go throwing logic, reason & foresight in to the argument. |
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You have a way of bringing out the unapologetic in me. |
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Ah yes, the all too often demand to be convinced that the common sense and common history of the last thousand years is in the interest of the individual. True fire-arms did change history, fire-arms are the great equalizer and allow the individual to defend himself from another that is physically more powerful, but a rifle alone can not protect the individual from a militarized force, for that it takes organization of a community. It is most important to discern the times we are living in now, the veneer of modern society is very thin, it relies on a very fragile transportation system and something as simple as a storm stops it but the developing storm now is much more destructive to current civilization than bad weather, for this storm front impacts every aspect of 21st century America. The solution is simple, organize your friends and neighbors along with the absolute God-send of radio communications or go it alone and die alone, your choice. |
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So...stick to the original plan our founding fathers envisioned and upgrade your security as best you can. |
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At the founding of this nation the militia and minute men were demanded by law, if you did not have the basic kit of rifle and sixty rounds of ammo&powder flask and flint you would the fined the price of the kit, it was also designed so you could not barrow your neighbors rifle for muster and then give it back later. Assembling on the green is the well regulated part of the second amendment, idea being not under direct state ontrol both for local survival but being available for state call up in case of invasion or insurrection. |
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Brinks anyone! Cultural failure is inevitable, its what happens after that makes history what it is, or something like that |
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Cultural failure happened in Ruwanda with the loss 800,000 in 100 days, one community there established english as the common language and armed themselves with fire-arms, the crime and genocide did not come near them, they survivied quite well. The boyscout motto of be prepared is sage advice now more than ever. |
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agree 100% its the unity that becomes difficult to organize before the disaster |
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That is precisely the problem that I have, both with the blindness of my neighbors, and with Strat's "all or nothing, join or die" comments. The Militia will have to deal with me as much on my terms as I on theirs. If there is no fair give and take, then how different will they be from the oppression they say they are "relieving" me of, asking me to help them fight? I want freedom, even the freedom to say "No, thanks, I don't like your ideas/ideals either. Please leave us alone, unless you can/want to simply help me to keep my thoughtless, unprepared neighbors from taking what is mine." |
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Cutting off nose to spite face huh, you and your neighbors are the militia, if you will not defend yourself and community there is something very wrong with you. Conditions or the reality of the situation dictates what you will and won't do, personel opinions likes and dislikes mean nothing. |
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If there is ever a break down in law and order, "Please" would be the last word out of your mouth. The criminals and marauders won't be asking for anything. |
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Yup, those people are what we commonly refer to as "Sheeple"! |
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When you die we'll split your gear! |
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People that won't choose sides because they don't want anything to do with what the sides are offering? So I will be required to pick the lesser of any/all of the evils presented to me, or suffer death at the hands of those that say they are giving me something better than I had? No, that is not freedom. |
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Finally, people that want to fight over me (or at least mine!)!! |
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Agree with you on this - But I'd probably end up having to pick a side if continually presented with a moral choice. Sorry to jump in on your thread before, I just got all spun up and it seemed like you guys might benefit from the links - my bad. |
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Don't worry Dan, I'm your neighbor by about 4 or 5 miles as the bird flies
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He may even loan you his |
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Yup, those people are what we commonly refer to as "Sheeple"![/quote]SO what does that make the militia? The sheepdog, the wolf or more than lilkely the opportunisitic coyote??? |
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That's probably the oddest labeling of someone as a sheep that I've ever seen. |
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+1 I sit back sometimes and think about how much I agree with a lot of militia-type members here on the forum. Similar opinions on a lot of stuff. Then I read their posts, and realize I may need to re-check my thinking. |
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Hard to really disagree with that. I'm automatically suspicious of anyone who frames things in entirely black and white terms. The older (and fatter) I get, the more I realize the world is a complicated place. Lots of times, the right action in one set of circumstances might not be the right action in another. I really agree with Strat that the 'militia' is you and your neighbors. I agree with the idea that, in these weird times, it's ultimately up to you and your neighbors to look after each other. And I agree with the idea that it's a lot easier to stay alive with someone watching your six. But I have a harder time accepting the absolutist idea of 'join or die.' It might be a slogan from the American Revolution, but it's one of those sentences that has a lot of possible meanings, broadly divided into 'join or you will die at the hands of sinister outside sources,' and 'join or you will die at the hands of the militia.' Who you are in non-interweb life will probably have a lot to do with what meaning you take away from the slogan. I'm happy to have my weapons and ammunition, though I struggle to find time, space, and money to stay as proficient as I ought. I'm happy to speak with, and get to know my neighbors; something I've come to relatively late in life. And I'm happy to work on forging bonds of trust with friends and neighbors, new and old, distant and near. All these things will do no harm, and might do some good. But I will not accept that the world is a black and white proposition. It's a damn complicated, messy place. If a neighbor wants to live differently than I do, that's his affair. I'll let him go his way, and I'll remain courteous to him. I'll also be ready to gun him down, if he tries to hurt me or my family, 'cause that's how I roll. But I won't ask him to accept my set of beliefs at the peril of death. Wherever that puts me, that's where I am. |
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Honestly, a lot of his posts do that to me... |
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Some back ground on the use of the phrase.
Franklin sketched, carved, and published the first known political cartoon in an American newspaper. It was the image of a snake cut into eight sections. The sections represented the individual colonies and the curves of the snake suggested the coastline. New England was combined into one section as the head of the snake. South Carolina was at the tail. Beneath the snake were the ominous words "Join, or Die." This had nothing to do with independence from Britain. It was a plea for unity in defending the colonies during the French and Indian War. It played off a common superstition of the time: a snake that had been cut into pieces could come back to life if you joined the sections together before sunset. The snake illustration was reprinted throughout the colonies. Dozens of newspapers from Massachusetts to South Carolina ran Franklin's sketch or some variation of it. For example, the Boston Gazette recreated the snake with the words "Unite and Conquer" coming from its mouth. [ What were puritans doing with an old indian myth ? they believed in the scritpural mandate of
Hoka Hey "Resolved unanimously, As our opposition to the settled plan of the British administration to enslave America will be strengthened by a union of all ranks of men in this province, we do most earnestly recommend that all former differences about religion or politics, and all private animosities and quarrels of every kind, from henceforth cease and be forever buried in oblivion; and we entreat, we conjure every man by his duty to God, his country, and his posterity, cordially to unite in defense of our common rights and liberties." Resolution of the Maryland Deputies, December 12, 1774 |
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Agreed. I am a firm believer in being prepared in material, training and mindset, but I take exception to some of the broad statements made by the militia types. Maybe clarification is in order so we can get an idea of what "join or die" means, as they are saying it. But as it stands now, I take said comments as "you are with us or against us...period", and am planning accordingly. |
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Well, now it's starting to make a little sense. This is much more attractive than "Join or Die". Why didn't you run with something like this in the first place? |
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Probably 'cuz he just wanted to piss you off! |
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