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Posted: 2/22/2007 5:54:21 PM EDT
Is he a fudd per chance
 Edited: Ok so hes not a fudd, anyone good with clipart or something that can make that shotty a machine gun? 
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Posted: 2/22/2007 6:00:28 PM EDT
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If you killed him, stuffed him and dressed him up in a green outfit and stuck a shotgun in his hands you might get away with calling him a FUDD but until then he would sooner fly a Cobra gunship up your ace.
Richard Henry Lee on Arms To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them. Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, (1787 - 1788) |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 6:09:00 PM EDT
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Lawd forbid someone from commonly using a firearm for a real purpose, without a thirst for a fight.  How ignorant of them to exploit their freedom without doubting it at every single opportunity. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 6:09:48 PM EDT
[#3]
Fair enough
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Posted: 2/22/2007 6:11:07 PM EDT
[#4]
That comment might get Da Bunny to stuff you and stick you in a window. 
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Posted: 2/22/2007 6:22:17 PM EDT
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Essentially yes, if you have been following the Zumbo threads then it becomes the sporting purpose argument which is anti-freedom pro-slavery.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 6:36:32 PM EDT
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I've followed the majority of them, in keen detail. The presumptuous doubt of EVERY hunter's patriotic integrity, rests on a foundation made of sand, found only here on a site like this, with folks like you. All of the active arfcom members, (if you've been reading the zumbo threads, you'll recognize this repeated point) might fill a modern football stadium. How many gun owners are there in the US? Is a city still crowded when there's a game? (another point repeated) The problem with picking your friends is that the list keeps getting shorter. Don't be too quick to put your cause in front of reality. People are buying and using guns daily, in spite sometimes.... even if it flies in to the face of those who like to point out how much jeopardy we do it under. Either offer a solution, or bite your tongue. All else is kindling on top of the bonfire... |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 7:25:02 PM EDT
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While I support people's right to hunt, I'm no hunter. To me, the 2nd Amendment is about defending my home, my family and my country, with my life, at my own expense. The 2nd Amendment arguably kept the Japanese from invading the West Coast during WWII. It kept hundreds of thousands of immigrants, perhaps millions, alive during the 19th century while we took this land from a bunch of people with bows and spears. Our forefathers won it on the battlefield. There weren't many big battles in that war, just tens of thousands of small ones. The 2nd Amendment is why we are hunters, not prey. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 7:41:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:00:17 PM EDT
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I think he's caught in the skepicism we have about this whole diversity thing. I mean, there ARE limits.....
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:05:27 PM EDT
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I'm a black rifle guy, and brown..and blue...and grey....and stainless.....I do like to hunt, but I also just like to shoot.
remember....I'm the guy that brought a muzzle loader to an LCR 
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:06:55 PM EDT
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Bingo! I'm caught all right.... in yesteryear. 
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:09:29 PM EDT
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I gotta admit, I would LOVE a single shot break open in .45-70. |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:11:06 PM EDT
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And I've been thinking about a pistol dedicated AR..... however non-sporting it may be.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:15:35 PM EDT
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Ruger #1 416 Rigby for me 
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:15:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:20:53 PM EDT
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If I mediatate on it long enough, Strat always wins me over with his uninhibated application of firepower argument.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:30:30 PM EDT
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Get back to me next month and let me know how much better you feel.
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Posted: 2/23/2007 3:16:41 AM EDT
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Did someone highjack ODT's account? 
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Posted: 2/23/2007 5:15:25 AM EDT
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Could there be a little Zumbo in all of us ? 
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Posted: 2/23/2007 8:18:28 AM EDT
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Gunowners can either stand divided or stand together.
Education not alienation. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 10:57:43 AM EDT
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If the guy next to you in line is pointing his finger at you and saying "Take him." it's that time. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 11:27:31 AM EDT
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Time for what? Time to correct that guy or time to start treating every hunter who doesn't have a safe full of AR15s as an enemy fit only to be shipped off to the special showers or ovens? Hammer the "holier-than-thou" when they show up, like Petzal has with his 1994 ban comments revealed, while converting the ones who just don't know. Sure there are hunters who don't care about or even dislike AR15s, just as there are AR15 owners who don't care about or even dislike hunting, trap, skeet, sporting clays, bench rest, sillhoutte, etc.. I'm sure that Friends of the Trail would be happy to have all of use kept out of the woods. Infighting only makes that easier. This isn't hunters vs AR15s. It's Us vs Them, with us being those who get it and those who don't and it being that the more good guys using guns the better. There are guys with AR15s who don't get it just as there are "hunters"(as in the guys who think that the only legitimate for guns is to hunt, not everyone who hunts) who don't get it. In my opinion throwing some hunters under the bus because they aren't spending time practicing double taps, mozambiques, or preparing to fight zombie hoards or some second revolution, is just as bad as Zumbo throwing ARs under the bus. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 2:31:18 PM EDT
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That is not the controversy Phil, Hunting and bolt actions develope the very necessary field and rifles skills, the most notable pro-snipers in history were hunters before they were armed services marksmen, the famous WW1 sniper was a pacifist that did not believe in wars or rifles as a way to settle a dispute, this controversy is over the right to self defence and the "rule of law verses the law of rules", at it's most basic level it is a life verses death issue. Every individual is supposed to have freedom of conscience to hold and express their opinions but that basic precept whether individual or state must not impose those opinions on the individual against his consent. Anything that unjustly causes harm is within both the individual and states jurisdiction to correct.
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Posted: 2/23/2007 3:05:43 PM EDT
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Would that make him a Fudd packer? |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 4:02:48 PM EDT
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So in the name of the 2nd Amendment, supporters should divide and segregate (unless willing to cry bloody murder when ever they meet or speak to someone who isn't disgruntled in their viewpoint on the topic)? My older son, who I've been training since he was 6 with a rifle, (now 12, and is being introduced to handguns, slowly), is a very decent marksman. He's made his first kill, though he's not definitive about his hunting interests. Should I get rid of him now, or does he deserve another chance? |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 4:59:46 PM EDT
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Do you believe a individual living soul has a right to life ? yes or no ?
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Posted: 2/23/2007 5:09:46 PM EDT
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I believe a hell of a lot more than that. I'm a simple guy though, with simple thoughts.... you'll have to be more specific. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 5:34:06 PM EDT
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In order for life to exist it must have, food. water, protection from the inclemency of the weather.
In order to procure food tools are necessary as well as protection from predators this is the most basic precept of the right to self defence. The Zumbo position is that only non-threatening recreational sporting purpose tools should be allowed and those subject to changing approval of the unthinking sheltered masses. The Zumbo position is the living soul has no right to life or the protection there-of. it is as specific as I can make it for now. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 5:55:13 PM EDT
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More than specific enough. I see you've identified my argument with Zumbos initial blog statement, which was never my point or intention. Zumbo fucked up, and I voiced my support of him getting his ass kicked for it. You can read my comments on his blog page, under the name of DT, which although is not still up, others do have them available in .PDF form. My computer went haywire when I posted it, and it shows up multiple times in sequence. Some others posts did the same. I'll also be happy to forward my emails written to his financial supporters too, which were successful in my opinion. I hope you do find my entry on the blog though... I think you'll approve. My argument has been with the label of Fudd, and with the blackgunner/arfcommer who has dismissed those who don't chant in unison about how fucking stupid hunters are. And also, with how arrogant and foolish it is to divide supporters of their own common interest. They speak as though they are the last word in 2nd Amendment arguments, even though there are plenty of folks out there who've been writing .gov about this RIGHT since long before .com ever existed. Label me, label you. Not too clever IMO. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:18:46 PM EDT
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An ass kicking. JZ spent time under the same microscope we all did. He didn't like it. So he pointed to us and said "I'm just a hunter, these guys are terrorists, it's their fault." If we DON'T raise the roof, the Brady's and DemocRATS will take that as a consensus. It's always frightening to throw off the shroud and look at the ruckus underneath. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:35:37 PM EDT
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I almost thought for a second, that we were gonna talk about fuzzy bunnys, and how they taste with potatoes and gravy. (delicious without the fuzz BTW) |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:38:14 PM EDT
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OdT you are a CANABLE. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:40:51 PM EDT
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You might be giving him too much credit. I'm not positive, but I almost thought that he believed the horseshit he typed and advertised. Maybe it was malicious, but I'll vote ignorant for now. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:46:58 PM EDT
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I read quite a bit of the GD threads on this (it popped up all over the place) I tended to read the reasonable ones and skip over the radical ones. That being said, I think the guy stepped on his dick and is pretty much lost a large portion of his credibility. I know many will not read him any more. I suspect he may loose his Outdoor Life column also.
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:50:48 PM EDT
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Is "Fudd" now considered an insult? I really think it's just a clever term of endearment. Kind of like when people call me.... Well never mind, I would never use it as an insult.
I really don't think that a very large percentage of ARFCOM folks dislike hunters. We dislike anyone who is not pro 2A, but I really don't think most hunters fit in the anti-2A camp. Jeez Louise. We are all getting so bitchey with the class clown out of service... |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:53:24 PM EDT
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He has lost his column. He lost it all. As a man, he has my pity & sympathy. (That's a lot to loose over a couple of paragraphs on the innernut) As an American, tough titty. Wish I coulda skipped over the "radical ones".... I'd have gotten more sleep. 
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:56:56 PM EDT
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By the way I would like to agree with Mace about the Fudd thing. I know when I use it I use it fondly. I like precesion shooting, just with a clip!
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Posted: 2/23/2007 7:00:56 PM EDT
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I started a thread here a few weeks or months ago asking the same about the term Fudd. The answers I received were radically different from what I've been reading in GD the past few days. I don't doubt that there's plenty of sanity here on ARFCOM at the end of each day. But for those on the fight about 'down with those other than just-like-me' ...well.... good luck to them. The world is a pretty big place. This aint bitchey though, I hope. Good debate so far, IMO. 
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Posted: 2/23/2007 7:02:33 PM EDT
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Hey all,
Im kinda walking into this thread half way through, but I couldnt help but jump in. ODT I dont know you personally, but I dont see the need to be defensive of FUDD slurs. If the shoe fits wear it, and I couldnt imagine it fitting considering how much time you spend here. Im willing to bet most of us here have some sort of "brown" rifle. The whole point is that a FUDD is an outdoorsman type who is INTOLERANT of us black rifle types. Scrun and I were all but run out of a Gun store in Monroe for asking about AR15s. I figured they would be happy to see "city folk" interested in firearm ownership. Hell no. So until the FUDDs come arround and see that we are all fighting the same fight, fuck'em. I cant imagine anyone here would hav anything against hunting or hunting rifles. I would own one myself. However, due to my small income I go for the AR type rifles to get the most bang for my buck. BTW Zumbo can suck a fart out of my A$$. I didnt spend all that time in the sandbox dukein' it out with REAL terrorists, just to come home and be called one because I excersise my right to own a military style rifle. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 7:03:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2007 7:26:36 PM EDT
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I didn't really get defensive about the term either, until I realized how many others don't get it too. In the proper definition, defined here on ARFCOM, I'll say "fuck them" too. But there are some folks here who sincerely believe the average ODL reader is sitting at home polishing his Citori, while sending money to the Brady's. pffft. The shoe doesn't fit, but apparently I do wear it, according to some. That's the part that sucks. I've been run out of my own local, and very familiar range, (no small task mind you), over black guns. But it wasn't the 2nd Amendment though, and it wasn't my tastes in guns. It was was the haphazard behavior of the shooters before me, who shot the fuck out of EVERYTHING sacred at that club, and left a huge mess without regard. The buildings insulation even got tore up on the ceiling from ejecting brass (SKS?), not to mention the target stands and such. I wore that honor, in a group of my peers, in a small town. I also fought it afterwards..... but that's another story, for another day. The stereotype given, (can't shoot, messy, loud, immature, obnoxious), was earned. And I stood up to it. Being lectured here later, as though I don't get it..... hasn't been all that fun. IMHO. The majority of those guys that run the range might not like the average AR shooter, but I'll lay dollars to doughnuts that they'll support every 2nd Amendment argument you can muster. These guys are mostly hunters, and some shootist (the talented and skilled kind), but all, fuck-.gov-types. Zumbos horseshit will be the topic of disgust at the coffee shop next month.... when they find out. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 7:51:56 PM EDT
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I must have tottally missed something here, I thought Fudd meant you were into hunting... got that from when I asked about hunters education classes and someone told me i was going to become a Fudd. I mustve tottally been off base.
For that, I do apologize to Da Bunny, as this appears to be some sort of slander. Not my intention by any means! I just thought it was a neat picture of a rabbit holding a double barreled shotty, and thought it looked like Elmer Fudd or something. I owe ya a Tall boy!  Sorry for "rocking the boat" as it were. I'll send myself to bed with no Beer 
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Posted: 2/23/2007 8:01:09 PM EDT
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If ever I wanted to edit a post! I wouldn't be too concerned. Da Bunny has been around a few weeks, and we're sure he 'gets it' better than most of us. The term Fudd has been redefined, and some feathers got ruffled.... maybe mostly my own. (GD, if you will, I'm not the only one )Don't leave the beer cold and lonely. |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 10:34:26 PM EDT
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You guys are more than welcome to shoot your tomato stakes and smoke sticks.
I've popped a few rounds through a flintlock and I'll say it's a damned civilized way to shoot. I've experienced M1 thumb and I'm fond of the thundering boom of the Mosin. For years, my only rifle was a single-shot, bolt action .22lr. I always fired it from the shoulder and out to 75 yards, it was the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. But, I've moved on.... 
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Posted: 2/24/2007 9:11:30 AM EDT
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Silly Rabbit....
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Posted: 2/24/2007 9:44:39 AM EDT
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so just to lighten things up in here, is an M1A a fudd gun? an M1? How much "brown" does it take to be a fudd gun, or should I say how much evil does it take to be a EBR?
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Posted: 2/24/2007 9:51:06 AM EDT
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If you are shooting rabbits, yes. If you are shooting paper or the enemy, no.
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Posted: 2/24/2007 10:24:50 AM EDT
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At the distaste of my fellow fudds, I've been blasting bambi with a Browning BAR (Bad Ass Rifle!) for quite a few years.
No love in either camp with that move.... let me tell you. 
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Posted: 2/24/2007 10:27:16 AM EDT
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338WM please. (or 7mm Rem Mag, or 30-06, or 243)
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Posted: 2/24/2007 10:47:48 AM EDT
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I've had them in .338 (favorite and most used by far), .300 (first one), 7mm, .308, and .243. Some with the BOSS, some without. The most fun was the BOSS equipped .243. No recoil, just a vibration. The coyotes on the dry side hated that gun.  Longest shot with a BAR for me was in 2001 near Havilla WA. A lasered 303 yds from a BOSS version of the .338 BAR, took a nice whitetail to the ground, without any fuss at all. All of them shot well, but the BOSS system allowed me to use factory loads accurately. The non-BOSS .300 was terrible with all factory loads that I tried. Handloads turned it in to a remarkably accurate rifle. The 7mms are remarkably pleasant to shoot, BOSS or not..... feels like a standard issue bolt .243 on the shoulder. I got back in to bolt guns a few years ago.... but I think I'm ready to revisit the BAR here pretty soon.
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