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Archived [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Metal HOT! UPDATE-----with pics of finished work
Posted: 2/21/2006 1:51:44 PM EDT
Things I have learned so far while welding today:

DON"T accidently place your hand on a piece of metal you just finished welding on. Metal hot!

No matter how fast I try to fill in a place that I have burned through, the hole will grow faster
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:40:41 PM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
No matter how fast I try to fill in a place that I have burned through, the hole will grow faster


If a wire feed, turn down your wire feed speed, makes filling gaps or holes easy.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:49:39 PM EDT
[#2]
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 7:58:44 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Quoted:
No matter how fast I try to fill in a place that I have burned through, the hole will grow faster


If a wire feed, turn down your wire feed speed, makes filling gaps or holes easy.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:13:38 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:

I thought you were a welder ?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:15:57 PM EDT
[#5]
Hence the
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:19:03 PM EDT
[#6]
A little duct tape and all is good as new.

Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:20:24 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Hence the


So what part of "wire feed speed" = amperage  that you disagree with ?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:21:19 PM EDT
[#8]

Before



After
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:49:40 PM EDT
[#9]
You feed less wire with the same voltage your holes are not going to disappear.  You are thinking in terms of stick(SMAW) welding which is constant current and you can vary voltage by the feed of the filler.  

ETA - Looks good Kooter.  I don't have patience to weld sheet metal.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 9:16:57 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
You feed less wire with the same voltage your holes are not going to disappear.  You are thinking in terms of stick(SMAW) welding which is constant current and you can vary voltage by the feed of the filler.  

ETA - Looks good Kooter.  I don't have patience to weld sheet metal.


Thanks. I only wore out one grinding wheel to get it to look like that though

I definately need more practice. I welded in one area too long and warped the metal a little. Fortunately it is the floor and will be covered up with either linex(or something similar) or carpet.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 9:17:58 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
You feed less wire with the same voltage your holes are not going to disappear.  You are thinking in terms of stick(SMAW) welding which is constant current and you can vary voltage by the feed of the filler.  




I think the winner of this argument should be whichever one of you has the most electrical volts.  If you are tied, it goes to the House of Representatives...
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 10:04:35 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
You feed less wire with the same voltage your holes are not going to disappear.  You are thinking in terms of stick(SMAW) welding which is constant current and you can vary voltage by the feed of the filler.  

ETA - Looks good Kooter.  I don't have patience to weld sheet metal.


true backing off voltage will cool too but if you increase deposit rate with a loop pattern the weld will flatten out and he will not have to do as much work with the grinder.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 10:07:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
I think the winner of this argument should be whichever one of you has the most electrical volts.  If you are tied, it goes to the House of Representatives...


Nope, winner has to weld the doors shut in Olympia.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 10:38:31 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
If a wire feed, turn down your wire feed speed, makes filling gaps or holes easy.

true backing off voltage will cool too but if you increase deposit rate with a loop pattern the weld will flatten out and he will not have to do as much work with the grinder.




Kooter get yourself a piece of brass or aluminum that you can use as a backer underneath your welds.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 10:40:45 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:

Kooter get yourself a piece of brass or aluminum that you can use as a backer underneath your welds.



What does that do?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 10:47:17 PM EDT
[#16]
It will give you a heat sink and your welds will not stick to it.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 11:20:22 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
If a wire feed, turn down your wire feed speed, makes filling gaps or holes easy.

true backing off voltage will cool too but if you increase deposit rate with a loop pattern the weld will flatten out and he will not have to do as much work with the grinder.


I don't know what you are trying to say 1GUNRUNNER, I would be glad to demonstrate it for you, I went through ECC's welding program in the 70's , been welding ever since BTDT
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 11:39:24 PM EDT
[#18]
Well you seem to be telling him 2 different things as I highlighted in red..    
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 1:18:45 AM EDT
[#19]
all right...

I turn down my power, and I hope my technique ( I cant spell I know) is enough to keep going, but If  I turn down my juice and turn down my wirspeed I dont get anywhere, If I turn down my juice and speed up my wirespeed I just get stuck with strings of wire, if I slow down my wirespeed and up my juice all I do is weld my wore to my tip... If I dont have gas, it really sucks...

All I know is I make it work..( I learned to weld in FFA/Metal Shop.)

I have used a brass block, and it works...

What I do know...

Your stuff is looking fine Kooter.


Some day I will show ya all the burns in my armpit!
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 7:07:17 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:Kooter get yourself a piece of brass or aluminum that you can use as a backer underneath your welds.

We're not allowed to use brass as a heat sink / plate in the 'yard...  I'm told the brass will contaminate the metal you're welding & make it weak.

Just a thought.

Link Posted: 2/22/2006 7:11:36 PM EDT
[#21]
R-32...  A tip for dual-shield welding, get a piece of scrap metal and get a hand on the dial and one hand welding.  Watch and listen to your weld to tune your set up quickly...  I love to run hot, run fast.

Link Posted: 2/22/2006 7:51:09 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:


Kooter get yourself a piece of brass or aluminum that you can use as a backer underneath your welds.



That and.... Brass works well for plug welding as in using as a backing wile welding holes. Tip...When I replace quarter panels on cars I have over lapped the metal 1/4-1/2". Also when welding sheet metal I keep a bucket of water and a rag right there. I weld an inch and them cool with water. It helps stop some with the warping.

Looks good Kooter.

Link Posted: 2/22/2006 9:19:09 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Quoted:


Kooter get yourself a piece of brass or aluminum that you can use as a backer underneath your welds.



That and.... Brass works well for plug welding as in using as a backing wile welding holes. Tip...When I replace quarter panels on cars I have over lapped the metal 1/4-1/2". Also when welding sheet metal I keep a bucket of water and a rag right there. I weld an inch and them cool with water. It helps stop some with the warping.

Looks good Kooter.


On the second panel I welded in I would weld about an inch or so, then move to a different spot and weld an inch there, then come back, etc.... I just kept jumping around until it was all welded in. Seemed to work better for me than staying in one spot until it was done.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:57:16 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:

I definately need more practice. I welded in one area too long and warped the metal a little. Fortunately it is the floor and will be covered up with either linex(or something similar) or carpet.RUST!


FIXT!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 12:32:22 AM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
Quoted:

I definately need more practice. I welded in one area too long and warped the metal a little. Fortunately it is the floor and will be covered up with either linex(or something similar) or carpet.RUST!


FIXT!






I would also like to ad that I will wear my welding gloves next time. The sunburn(or is it flashburn) on the back of my hand is itchy, but it hurts to scratch it
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 12:51:37 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:That and.... Brass works well for plug welding as in using as a backing wile welding holes. Tip...When I replace quarter panels on cars I have over lapped the metal 1/4-1/2". Also when welding sheet metal I keep a bucket of water and a rag right there. I weld an inch and them cool with water. It helps stop some with the warping.

Looks good Kooter.
I dunno man...  The last thing I want next to my hot welds is water (or lots of wind, for that matter).  Last thing I'd want is cracking or metal fatigue.

And Koot, it really does look good man

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:48:29 AM EDT
[#27]
Rune, it is a very common practice.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:23:26 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
I dunno man...  The last thing I want next to my hot welds is water (or lots of wind, for that matter).  Last thing I'd want is cracking or metal fatigue.

And Koot, it really does look good man


Keep in mind, Rune75 is doing some MILSPEC welding.  When it comes to the Navy, they wrote a few books on how / what / where / when / why things get welded.  Each book looks like the New York City White Pages.  That's why you don't see the islands just fall off of aircraft carriers, cruisers inexplicably split in half, etc.  In other words, even though industry-standard practices are good enough for 99% of the work you'll encounter; the U.S. Navy has a higher standard.

Let's not even get into the whole SUBSAFE deal. . .

My $0.02
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 11:10:27 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:


Keep in mind, Rune75 is doing some MILSPEC welding.  
Let's not even get into the whole SUBSAFE deal. . .

My $0.02


Are you saying old farm implements do not rise to the level of MILSPEC  
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 11:23:31 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
Quoted:


Keep in mind, Rune75 is doing some MILSPEC welding.  
Let's not even get into the whole SUBSAFE deal. . .

My $0.02


Are you saying old farm implements do not rise to the level of MILSPEC  


Shit, I'll hook bumper to bumper with any Sub.....
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 1:28:26 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I dunno man...  The last thing I want next to my hot welds is water (or lots of wind, for that matter).  Last thing I'd want is cracking or metal fatigue.

And Koot, it really does look good man


Keep in mind, Rune75 is doing some MILSPEC welding.  When it comes to the Navy, they wrote a few books on how / what / where / when / why things get welded.  Each book looks like the New York City White Pages.  That's why you don't see the islands just fall off of aircraft carriers, cruisers inexplicably split in half, etc.  In other words, even though industry-standard practices are good enough for 99% of the work you'll encounter; the U.S. Navy has a higher standard.

Let's not even get into the whole SUBSAFE deal. . .

My $0.02


Is this the Milspec Way?? Higher Standard Way?? way to guess??

Quoted:
R-32...  A tip for dual-shield welding, get a piece of scrap metal and get a hand on the dial and one hand welding.  Watch and listen to your weld to tune your set up quickly...  I love to run hot, run fast.


It does contrary to popular opinion take a certain amount of amps to get enough penetration to make things stick together no matter what it sounds like. This method gets you a little more than nothing. I would love to see this method listed in a current welding manual.

The quenching of sheet metal with water and usuing heat sinks is very common. You would not however want to quench anything that needs to be certified structural or at least get caught doing it.

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 2:28:28 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
or at least get caught doing it.



Can I barrow your stamp ?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 4:12:07 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
or at least get caught doing it.



Can I barrow your stamp ?


Let me think about it...
Nope....
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:14:19 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
You would not however want to quench anything that needs to be certified structural or at least get caught doing it.



I saw a WABO test that was quenched the entire process....and passed.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 9:58:03 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
I saw a WABO test that was quenched the entire process....and passed.


CABO WABO?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 10:24:01 PM EDT
[#36]
www.wabo.org/
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 5:20:00 PM EDT
[#37]
Please don't tell me someone wasted good Tequila on a test plate!!!!
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 6:57:01 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
It does contrary to popular opinion take a certain amount of amps to get enough penetration to make things stick together no matter what it sounds like. This method gets you a little more than nothing. I would love to see this method listed in a current welding manual.
Of course.  But I think so long as a person knows what their welds should look like, knows the light pattern, knows the constant sound, sees there are not many splats of metal, then hand tuning a dual shield setup while welding on scrap is a good starting ground for propper amperage/flow.  Or do you disagree?

The quenching of sheet metal with water and usuing heat sinks is very common. You would not however want to quench anything that needs to be certified structural or at least get caught doing it.
I'm sure it is.  But not where I work.  I'm pretty sure Koot's weldes won't have between a couple hundred to a couple thousand lives depend on his workmanship.  As JS98010 said, we get the awesome fun of "supposedly" memorizing 3 medium city sized telephone book like reference books (or at least be able to find the needed info quickly in them).

Guess I"m coming off as a dick.  Sorry if I am.

Link Posted: 2/25/2006 10:28:48 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Of course.  But I think so long as a person knows what their welds should look like, knows the light pattern, knows the constant sound, sees there are not many splats of metal, then hand tuning a dual shield setup while welding on scrap is a good starting ground for propper amperage/flow.  Or do you disagree?


I think where I am going with this is that a "Newbie" so to speak probably doesn't know what it should look, sound, or taste like. Someone says you weld "Milspec" and then you when you give advice like that it makes me wonder. (Not that my opinion matters!!)

I'm pretty sure Koot's weldes won't have between a couple hundred to a couple thousand lives depend on his workmanship.


And quenching makes a difference on floorboard repair how??




BTW Kooter looks good from the pics....Just keep your hands on the beer not the hot metal....
Link Posted: 2/25/2006 10:36:41 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted:
BTW Kooter looks good from the pics....Just keep your hands on the beer not the hot metal....


Ice cold beverage containers have long been used as burn treatment devices as long as there has been welders getting burned by their work.
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