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Posted: 1/23/2006 7:58:54 AM EDT
Went to the hospital over the weekend for a child birth class. While there I noticed several signs stating that no weapons were allowed on the premises. The signs were red background with white letters. Does Washington have a law regarding what the sign has to look like, font, color, placement, etc? It did not look like the ones that I see at the schools. I know schools by law are off limits while carrying, except when dropping someone off, so maybe they don't need an official sign. Any thoughts on this?
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Out of sight, out of mind.
Dunno on the laws nor formalities though. Hospitals are private property aren't they? |
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No. In areas other than those spelled out in RCW/WAC and/or federal law as being off limits for the carrying of firearms; if they are state/city property the signs carry no legal weight under the WA state premption however private property owners do have the right to not allow the carrying of firearms and such signs do have legal standing not that there is a criminal or civil penalty associated with the mere act of carrying where a property owner has posted such a sign though. |
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So, I can't be arrested/charged for it, but I can be asked to leave? That's what I was thinking. Thanks for clearing it up. |
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My understanding is hospitals are not illeagal. I think it is just the hospitals policy.
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There is the rub, you can't be charged for it but if they're asking you to leave, etc that means that they've seen the firearm and:
Plus trespass charges if you decline to leave. Hospitals can also be tricky because some of them are University/School/Teaching facilities. |
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It's always been my policy to carry everywhere but be expected to leave if asked. Private property is private property, and I can always take my business elsewhere. |
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I thought the rules of CPL forbid concealed carry in hospitals, public schools, bars, & fed land.
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discovered this weekend that the EQC is forbidden by policy and not by law. (unless the security guard didn't know what he was talking about)
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Yeah, maybe that guy will go have some elective surgery done and strap a glock to his small of back to poke out of the gown. |
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Offical Washington No Guns Sign
I'd just post the image but its a pdf and I'm tired and pissed off tonight. |
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So what I am reading is the only places that you can be out right charged for CC is those stated in the RCW's. It is up to you as a person wether or not you want to carry into buildings that have signs stating "No weapons." Now, you may be legal to do so, the catch being if they see it, you can be asked to leave. Depending on who catches you and their attitude, they may push it a little further and try and press charges citing both the posted signs and -
"RCW 9.41.270 Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm -- Unlawful carrying or handling -- Penalty -- Exceptions. (1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons." Argument being He saw the signs but did it anyway. That is what I am going on. |
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Speaking of that guy, do you have that PDF file that was posted a while back clarifying CC in the vehicle and wether or not it had to be your person? I didn't grab it when I should have. I think it was from the State Attorney General's office. |
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A sign on the door means that the property owners want to exercise their rights over their property. RCW 9.41.270 is a completely seperate issue from any signs. Lets say that you're in a shop, looking for widgets. The shop has posted in their door, a No Firearms permitted on the premises sign. You're in the back of the shop looking at something on the bottom shelf and your short rides up revealing your 87 magnum. You don't notice this as you go to the front of the shop where the staff are hiding to ask them where they keep the widgets, all the while they are bug eyed with fear because you 87 magnum is just hanging out in the breeze. Someone hits the silent alarm button summoning Constable Fife. The shop owners convince Constable Fife that they were in fear for their safety because your constant display of that 87 magnum was to them a clear threat. You aren't in any criminal trouble at all because of the sign that they had on their door. The wanton display of your 87 magnum may get you charged under RCW 9.41.270. In summary: In order for them to know that you have a gun on their property against their posted wishes, they must first see then gun. Seeing the gun may lead to a problem under RCW 9.41.270 If the PD respond they can issue you a "trespass" meaning that if you come back and they're called you're looking at a Criminal trespass charge. |
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NOT quite correct. There is also the WAC. That's where colleges are allowed to prohibit carry on their campuses. Some do, some don't. There is a hospital in Seattle that CCW isn't allowed because it is part of the university. apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/ |
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WTF?!? Site was slow, and I hit the stupid submit button not realising that it was just taking 5 minutes to post.
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