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Posted: 8/15/2017 7:44:32 PM EDT
As if my electric bill wasn't high enough already .
 http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/273976732-story
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Posted: 8/15/2017 8:26:52 PM EDT
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Real shocking. They encourage and entice the masses with short lived benefit using less and/ or alternative energy. As expected, with less direct consumption of the energy they generate the income reduces. Then comes the rape train.
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:27:50 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 8/16/2017 8:12:37 AM EDT
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Did you read towards the end where the rate increase will help generate over $1M to help the FSA folks that are having trouble paying their bill?
Forced wealth redistribution, embrace the suck (no pun intended). |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:29:59 PM EDT
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Banquets, box seats, lobbying...those things don't pay for themselves
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Posted: 8/16/2017 4:42:34 PM EDT
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Someone's got to pay the CEO's $3 million dollar salary.
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Posted: 8/16/2017 5:41:42 PM EDT
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Lol. The 3-hour peak period with SRP sounded bad until I heard you guys are getting a 5-hour peak period. Brutal.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 9:57:47 PM EDT
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APS' CEO makes around $1mil/month. I can totally understand why APS needs a rate hike, and to change our peak hours from 3p-8p. I get to sweat in my house while I put my kids to bed while that piece of shit gets $1mil/month.
No wonder that shithead needs 24 hour security. Who doesn't want to see his head roll? Is there a way to get off this world? Between shit like this and snowflakes and queers having passive aggressive protests, I'm pretty much done. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:05:54 PM EDT
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APS' CEO makes around $1mil/month. I can totally understand why APS needs a rate hike, and to change our peak hours from 3p-8p. I get to sweat in my house while I put my kids to bed while that piece of shit gets $1mil/month. No wonder that shithead needs 24 hour security. Who doesn't want to see his head roll? Is there a way to get off this world? Between shit like this and snowflakes and queers having passive aggressive protests, I'm pretty much done. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:16:54 PM EDT
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Lol. The 3-hour peak period with SRP sounded bad until I heard you guys are getting a 5-hour peak period. Brutal. That three hour time period amount of savings was so miniscule. I just made a mental note not to turn the whole house on, but it was probably a $20 difference at best. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 2:55:21 PM EDT
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I'll try to feel sorry for you folks while the solar panels are humming away.
 
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Posted: 8/23/2017 3:35:16 PM EDT
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I'll try to feel sorry for you folks while the solar panels are humming away. Buying the panels outright is expensive, and lenders aren't really excited about having them installed. Renting/leasing the panels is expensive as well. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:34:18 PM EDT
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I'm going to say Fuck cox cable too.
I'm buying a house, my ex is moving wherever.. I was able to sign up for new service online for $65/mo for internet and hbo go..but because I've been a customer for two years, you won't honor that because I'm not a new customer, so it's $131 instead of $65.. You have to be smoking crack. My fucking ex gf, who didn't put her name and credit on the line for the last two years, gets to have that $65/mo rate.. But Fuck me for paying early for 24 months. Fuck cox cable. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:35:14 AM EDT
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I'm going to say Fuck cox cable too. I'm buying a house, my ex is moving wherever.. I was able to sign up for new service online for $65/mo for internet and hbo go..but because I've been a customer for two years, you won't honor that because I'm not a new customer, so it's $131 instead of $65.. You have to be smoking crack. My fucking ex gf, who didn't put her name and credit on the line for the last two years, gets to have that $65/mo rate.. But Fuck me for paying early for 24 months. Fuck cox cable. 
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:44:00 AM EDT
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Learning how to properly manage energy in my 2200 sqft house has been helpful. Super cooling for the win
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:54:54 AM EDT
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Learning how to properly manage energy in my 2200 sqft house has been helpful. Super cooling for the win http://i.imgur.com/Sn23jGf.png |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 11:22:42 AM EDT
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The higher bill is when I set it at a constant temp
The lower bill is from super cooling. You can read more about it from here link On the 12-7 'on peak' plan 6am-12 : AC set to 70 12-7pm: AC turned off 7pm-6am AC set to 76 So I only use energy when it is 4 cents a kw vs 25 cents and my house never gets over 80 degrees when the AC is turned off. I am not sure how the 'AC working harder' argument plays out when the AC is not working at all during the hottest part of the day. If it is going to run its ass off to maintain the temp at 3pm, I would rather it run the same amount at 25% the cost. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 1:26:11 PM EDT
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We have the NEST thermostat. Best money ever spent. Easy to program, easy to use, adjustable remotely, learns your use habits.
That said, we super cool: 7p-6a - 73deg 6a-12p - 68 deg 12p-7p - 85 deg (usually gets up to about 78-80, depending on the day) No laundry, no oven, no big appliance use during 12p-7p, unless it's on a weekend or a holiday when it doesn't matter. 2200 sq ft house with a fireteam of kids running around, opening doors, turning on lights, etc and our electric bill never hits $300. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 7:12:00 PM EDT
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Just curious. What is the realistic difference for a 1500-2000sqft house? Percentage wise.. what difference are you seeing? Buying the panels outright is expensive, and lenders aren't really excited about having them installed. Renting/leasing the panels is expensive as well. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:07:43 PM EDT
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I'm at work and can't recall any figures, but it is for certain decidedly cheaper per kwh and we don't have to deal with APS's crap. We got ours through Costco (Sun Run). Easy to deal with. About $19k for a 100% system with the batteries (the latter to be installed shortly). It will be good when solar tech gets cheaper. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:14:06 PM EDT
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Yeah.. For $19k that's five years worth of $300 months ( worst case scenario). Still more expensive than APS.. And those panels/battery banks are going to need top be replaced in 10-15yrs It will be good when solar tech gets cheaper. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:31:26 PM EDT
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What about grid tied with micro inverters? Wouldn't that allow you to skip the expense of batteries (and the need to replace them in the future). |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:32:01 PM EDT
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You still assume the depreciation of the solar equipment. It would be different if that was the only option (in the woods), but APS/SRP still has us by the balls. We get a lot of sun here and we get the most of it when our electricity bills our the highest. Surely there is a way to make the numbers work out with how much the price of panels have drop over the last ten years. Does SRP or APS have any credit/buy-back program for grid tied systems? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 11:12:17 PM EDT
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Everything I've been told is that the panels degrade 1-4% per year performance wise, depending on initial quality. That's why a lot of lenders won't finance places with big ass panel fixtures on the roof, because of the valuation hit.
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Posted: 8/25/2017 10:09:54 AM EDT
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Everything I've been told is that the panels degrade 1-4% per year performance wise, depending on initial quality. That's why a lot of lenders won't finance places with big ass panel fixtures on the roof, because of the valuation hit. Grid tied setups can be very cost effective today IF there is a favorable agreement with the electric utility. The micro controllers are probably the best if you want a simple and cost effective grid tied system. lit link |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 3:46:06 PM EDT
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I'm going from SRP in a condo to my house with APS. I'm terrified of what that bill will be. At least we're toward the end of the shitty hot timeframe. That three hour time period amount of savings was so miniscule. I just made a mental note not to turn the whole house on, but it was probably a $20 difference at best. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. The 3-hour peak period with SRP sounded bad until I heard you guys are getting a 5-hour peak period. Brutal. That three hour time period amount of savings was so miniscule. I just made a mental note not to turn the whole house on, but it was probably a $20 difference at best. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 3:50:44 PM EDT
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What about grid tied with micro inverters? Wouldn't that allow you to skip the expense of batteries (and the need to replace them in the future). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah.. For $19k that's five years worth of $300 months ( worst case scenario). Still more expensive than APS.. And those panels/battery banks are going to need top be replaced in 10-15yrs It will be good when solar tech gets cheaper. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 3:53:47 PM EDT
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I save a shit load of money programming my thermostats to turn off the AC between 3-6pm. I think it really depends on how much space your cooling. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 10:33:01 PM EDT
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I'm probably going to go with a Nest or a honeywell wifi controlled thermostat. I'm kind of torn between the two. |
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Posted: 8/26/2017 1:58:51 AM EDT
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The Nest is pretty awesome, especially when used with their Smoke/CO detectors. Wife burns lunch while i'm at work, Within seconds I have text message, phone call, app alert... Shuts off the A/C automatically when it detects smoke/CO to prevent spreading fire and smoke to other rooms, can be paired with my alarm system to dispatch emergency services automatically.
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Posted: 8/27/2017 6:13:58 PM EDT
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The Nest is pretty awesome, especially when used with their Smoke/CO detectors. Wife burns lunch while i'm at work, Within seconds I have text message, phone call, app alert... Shuts off the A/C automatically when it detects smoke/CO to prevent spreading fire and smoke to other rooms, can be paired with my alarm system to dispatch emergency services automatically. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 6:40:12 PM EDT
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Have you paired it with cameras yet? |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 7:17:26 PM EDT
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I'll try to feel sorry for you folks while the solar panels are humming away. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 4:44:16 PM EDT
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I considered solar panels, but even on a bad month my bill is still usually under $200. |
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Posted: 8/29/2017 7:40:24 PM EDT
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The higher bill is when I set it at a constant temp The lower bill is from super cooling. You can read more about it from here link On the 12-7 'on peak' plan 6am-12 : AC set to 70 12-7pm: AC turned off 7pm-6am AC set to 76 So I only use energy when it is 4 cents a kw vs 25 cents and my house never gets over 80 degrees when the AC is turned off. I am not sure how the 'AC working harder' argument plays out when the AC is not working at all during the hottest part of the day. If it is going to run its ass off to maintain the temp at 3pm, I would rather it run the same amount at 25% the cost. |
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Posted: 8/29/2017 8:57:57 PM EDT
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Might have to try supercooling... 3k sq ft. thermostat set to constant 83 and our last bill was $563 for 2958 KWh. |
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Posted: 8/30/2017 12:05:56 AM EDT
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Might have to try supercooling... 3k sq ft. thermostat set to constant 83 and our last bill was $563 for 2958 KWh. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The higher bill is when I set it at a constant temp The lower bill is from super cooling. You can read more about it from here link On the 12-7 'on peak' plan 6am-12 : AC set to 70 12-7pm: AC turned off 7pm-6am AC set to 76 So I only use energy when it is 4 cents a kw vs 25 cents and my house never gets over 80 degrees when the AC is turned off. I am not sure how the 'AC working harder' argument plays out when the AC is not working at all during the hottest part of the day. If it is going to run its ass off to maintain the temp at 3pm, I would rather it run the same amount at 25% the cost. |
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Posted: 8/30/2017 1:52:24 PM EDT
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Might have to try supercooling... 3k sq ft. thermostat set to constant 83 and our last bill was $563 for 2958 KWh. |
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Posted: 8/30/2017 3:56:46 PM EDT
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Wow. Those are some steep bills just for keeping your place at 83. You've got almost 1,200 square feet on us, but we constantly keep our place at 74 degrees on SRP's standard plan. Our biggest bill this summer was $263. May - $299 June - $472 July - $563 
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Posted: 8/30/2017 6:38:13 PM EDT
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I'm really dreading that first APS bill. My condo was about 1300sqft and the highest I ever paid was $180/mo, and that was a crazy 3 story floor plan. I don't need to cool this place all day long, but I'm also not going to sit in here and sweat all night, so I'll just have to tighten things up a bit.
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Posted: 9/1/2017 7:42:28 PM EDT
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I have quit watching my cost about 10 years ago. It makes no difference. I have tried load controllers, Time of Day, new AC Units, etc. and have after 30 years realized it doesn't make any difference. You will get charged what ever $ they want. So bend over, grab your ankles and be prepared to be ENTERED
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