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Posted: 9/24/2018 10:38:47 PM EDT
The event is in the Chapel. Where should we stay hotel wise? Is that area safe? Anything I should know in advance?
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That is in the Mission District. Number 1 right now for car break ins in San Francisco since they decriminalized it. Over the summer they had like 30,000 smash and grabs and most of the shootouts there. So dont keep anything in your car or in view. The area is still hood with lots of hood rats (MS13 types) running around mixed with the tight jean millennial wearing crowds. Homeless, and psych ward releases are running around also since Facebook hospital is close by and dumps them around there so they can roam. FYI they changed the SF General Hospital name cause Facebook dropped millions on them since Zuckerberg's wife interned there as a doc.
Find a better area with free parking at the hotel. Unless you really need to stay in SF, I would avoid it. Look for hotels in Burlingame hotel row area that is safe. Next to the airport and free parking and lots of restaurants in downtown Burlingame and Millbrae to visit. It is also right next to the 101 freeway and about 20 mins away from that venue. I met many peeps that drove in from Chicago and stopped for less than 10 mins and had all their luggage for their road trip jacked at sight seeing spots around the city. Twin Peaks, Coit Tower, Alamo Square, anywhere in Golden Gate Park are the hot spots. SFPD and SF Park Rangers wont do anything because its a cite and release game now. You ll also see the poo and pee everywhere, needles on the ground, and drug users doing their thing out in the open. It is a Sanctuary City. A lot of the homeless have criminal records and warrants out on them, but the city refuses to extradite them back to where they belong. DA refuses to charge them for assaulting tourists or locals, but if you attack them...you will get locked up. Makes a lot of sense right? If you get into a scuffle with a hobo...hit the face. A lot of them wear ghetto armor...aka phone books or cardboard duck taped around their body under their jackets. Here is the SFPD CompStat Crime Mapping page. http://www.crimemapping.com/map/ca/sanfrancisco |
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I've lived all my life in the Bay Area and pretty much everything in this area summarizes my thoughts.
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Well it looks like I and my wife will be venturing into the belly of the beast with my daughter in March. I feel better that at least I can be there to watch over her. What type of defensive arms am I allowed to carry there? How is China Town?
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It's San Francisco. There's no reciprocal carry recognition. They don't like it but car carry laws have been discussed a lot for travelers in various threads. Which isn't much help getting from parking to concert and back. Then you've got concert rules which may hamper generic preventive measures. Camera limits often exist. But a camera you don't mind dentnig might be handy. And your cane for your old war wound. Etc. Haven't been in Chinatown for many years. someone more local might be able to give better advice with more specific location knowledge.
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Not a safe area day or night. I would advise against it. View Quote OP don’t listen to this guy, it’s fine. |
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Well it looks like I and my wife will be venturing into the belly of the beast with my daughter in March. I feel better that at least I can be there to watch over her. What type of defensive arms am I allowed to carry there? How is China Town? View Quote As someone who has went to numerous events in that area, went out to eat there with friends and so on, you’re fine. Nothing is going to happen. When you go there you’ll see it’s full of clean cut white nerds and hipsters covering the area. You’ll see some homeless for sure but they’re incredibly easy to avoid. If you’ve ever been to any city you should know what to expect, I.e. it’s not some kind of war zone like retards will have you think. China town is fine too. |
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That is in the Mission District. Number 1 right now for car break ins in San Francisco since they decriminalized it. Over the summer they had like 30,000 smash and grabs and most of the shootouts there. So dont keep anything in your car or in view. The area is still hood with lots of hood rats (MS13 types) running around mixed with the tight jean millennial wearing crowds. Homeless, and psych ward releases are running around also since Facebook hospital is close by and dumps them around there so they can roam. FYI they changed the SF General Hospital name cause Facebook dropped millions on them since Zuckerberg's wife interned there as a doc. Find a better area with free parking at the hotel. Unless you really need to stay in SF, I would avoid it. Look for hotels in Burlingame hotel row area that is safe. Next to the airport and free parking and lots of restaurants in downtown Burlingame and Millbrae to visit. It is also right next to the 101 freeway and about 20 mins away from that venue. I met many peeps that drove in from Chicago and stopped for less than 10 mins and had all their luggage for their road trip jacked at sight seeing spots around the city. Twin Peaks, Coit Tower, Alamo Square, anywhere in Golden Gate Park are the hot spots. SFPD and SF Park Rangers wont do anything because its a cite and release game now. You ll also see the poo and pee everywhere, needles on the ground, and drug users doing their thing out in the open. It is a Sanctuary City. A lot of the homeless have criminal records and warrants out on them, but the city refuses to extradite them back to where they belong. DA refuses to charge them for assaulting tourists or locals, but if you attack them...you will get locked up. Makes a lot of sense right? If you get into a scuffle with a hobo...hit the face. A lot of them wear ghetto armor...aka phone books or cardboard duck taped around their body under their jackets. Here is the SFPD CompStat Crime Mapping page. http://www.crimemapping.com/map/ca/sanfrancisco View Quote Saying “you’ll see piss shit and needles everywhere” is 100 percent hyperbole. Very likely you’ll see none while you’re there. You definitely do NOT want to leave stuff in your car. That’s one not to test. Take a Lyft from your hotel or leave nothing. As for homeless wearing body armor, lol. That’s gotta be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of. A lot of these comments are essentially breaking Paul’s “antburning” rules. Stop giving misinformation without first hand knowledge. Summary: If you’ve ever been to any city, SF is the same. You know what to expect. People who have never been to the city boogeyman NYC and Chicago and European cities also. |
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Thanks for all the replies. From what I have read the only really bad place to avoid would be the Tenderloin area. I intend to fly in and rent a car after we leave SF and drive to see the redwoods. May or may not have a rental in the city as I assume that parking on the street is usually full and expensive like Chicago and I'll bet the hotels charge to park there as well. Really would still feel safer with at least my J frame at a minimum.
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Thanks for all the replies. From what I have read the only really bad place to avoid would be the Tenderloin area. I intend to fly in and rent a car after we leave SF and drive to see the redwoods. May or may not have a rental in the city as I assume that parking on the street is usually full and expensive like Chicago and I'll bet the hotels charge to park there as well. Really would still feel safer with at least my J frame at a minimum. View Quote Many hotels do in fact charge for parking BUT, you can occasionally find deals where they don’t. For fun last year I stayed at a fancy hotel one night (Fairmont) and I got a room with free parking. I tend to take BART and then Lyft, or park my car in safe neighborhoods (ie West Portal) and then Lyft from there. |
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You'll be carrying it illegally if you do, and possibly frisked at your concert / metal detector. As someone who owns a ton of guns, I do not feel the need to carry one in SF. And yeah, the Tenderloin can be sketchy but you won't be there. Parking in SF can definitely be a challenge which is why I rarely do it, too stressful. Many hotels do in fact charge for parking BUT, you can occasionally find deals where they don't. For fun last year I stayed at a fancy hotel one night (Fairmont) and I got a room with free parking. I tend to take BART and then Lyft, or park my car in safe neighborhoods (ie West Portal) and then Lyft from there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks for all the replies. From what I have read the only really bad place to avoid would be the Tenderloin area. I intend to fly in and rent a car after we leave SF and drive to see the redwoods. May or may not have a rental in the city as I assume that parking on the street is usually full and expensive like Chicago and I'll bet the hotels charge to park there as well. Really would still feel safer with at least my J frame at a minimum. Many hotels do in fact charge for parking BUT, you can occasionally find deals where they don't. For fun last year I stayed at a fancy hotel one night (Fairmont) and I got a room with free parking. I tend to take BART and then Lyft, or park my car in safe neighborhoods (ie West Portal) and then Lyft from there. |
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Do not take a loaded weapon in your car.
It has to be unloaded, in a locked container and inaccessible to you and your passengers. It may not be in the glove box or center-console compartments. Typical compliance would be unloaded and locked in a box/bag which is stored in the trunk. |
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Do not take a loaded weapon in your car. It has to be unloaded, in a locked container and inaccessible to you and your passengers. It may not be in the glove box or center-console compartments. Typical compliance would be unloaded and locked in a box/bag which is stored in the trunk. View Quote |
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https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel
There is no requirement that the locked container be inaccessible. If "the trunk" is being used as your locked container, you would still need a locked container to transport between the vehicle and a residence, etc., so you might prefer to transport in the container even if using the trunk. A "trunk" has some added security compared to a wide open hatchback or SUV, etc. Car break-ins are problematic in San Francisco but not sure how much more than any other urban area. We just drove through there again last week on vacation but didn't stop this time. It's a beautiful and historic city and worth visiting. It does take some planning because it's both congested and somewhat spread out (and hilly) so walking isn't always the best approach. I'm not familiar enough with the mass transit there or neighborhoods routes to try or avoid. |
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https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel There is no requirement that the locked container be inaccessible. View Quote Inaccessibility is what the unloaded and locked container is all about, is it not? If you carry the gun box in the passenger compartment with you (perhaps on the seat next to you), you are asking for trouble in the event of a traffic stop, especially in San Francisco. OP, don't push the boundaries of the law. Compliance can be very simple. Don't put yourself and your daughter in a position where you have to argue the subtleties of the law in court. HANDGUNS Pursuant to California Penal Code section 25610, a United States citizen over 18 years of age who is not prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, may transport by motor vehicle any handgun provided it is unloaded and locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container. Furthermore, the handgun must be carried directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while being carried must be contained within a locked container. Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment. |
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Typically, if you'd explain it clearly, you wouldn't have to re-explain yourself.
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Wow I hope that you guys get some progress with CCW there. You know it's bad when Illinois has better gun laws! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do not take a loaded weapon in your car. It has to be unloaded, in a locked container and inaccessible to you and your passengers. It may not be in the glove box or center-console compartments. Typical compliance would be unloaded and locked in a box/bag which is stored in the trunk. |
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You win. Obviously I failed to recognize that effort was important and accuracy wasn't. Here's your trophy for participating.
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Quoted: How "typical" of you. That word typical was selected with purpose and care. That you did not read it, decode it, understand it or allow it to register is the problem. View Quote |
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That area is not too bad for the Mission. It's more on the northern side. The whole area is nicer than it used to be because of inflated home and apartment prices. Still could have homeless shitting on the streets, especially at night. But it's not as likely as the Tenderloin (not even close.)
Probably the most important thing to consider is who is playing. Different crowds bring different problems. For a while there, a lot of East Bay venues banned hip-hop concerts for all the crime they brought with them. So, if it's soy-boy alternative or k-pop, that's one thing. If it's Latin or Black hip-hop, that's a totally different animal. If the latter, not worth it. No friggin' way. |
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That area is not too bad for the Mission. It's more on the northern side. The whole area is nicer than it used to be because of inflated home and apartment prices. Still could have homeless shitting on the streets, especially at night. But it's not as likely as the Tenderloin (not even close.) Probably the most important thing to consider is who is playing. Different crowds bring different problems. For a while there, a lot of East Bay venues banned hip-hop concerts for all the crime they brought with them. So, if it's soy-boy alternative or k-pop, that's one thing. If it's Latin or Black hip-hop, that's a totally different animal. If the latter, not worth it. No friggin' way. View Quote Bauhaus - She's In Parties |
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I am not too worried about the crowd inside the venue. She is seeing the lead singer of Bauhaus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxqq5vahHKk View Quote I was supposed to go see Peter Murphy, it was cancelled the last time as he was sick or something. The crowd there will be very benign and harmless. I’ve been to many shows in the same vein at that venue and other nearby, usually lots of artsy types, decent people. |
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Quoted: HA. I was supposed to go see Peter Murphy, it was cancelled the last time as he was sick or something. The crowd there will be very benign and harmless. I've been to many shows in the same vein at that venue and other nearby, usually lots of artsy types, decent people. View Quote Hello, by the way. I am P08's daughter, and even if you were making fun of me your post made me so, so happy because damn it all, I can't find even a casual fan of Peter Murphy or musicians like him anywhere! So are you pretty Deep (sorry! ) into music from throughout the man's career, or just enough to make seeing him in concert worthwhile? And finally, if its no trouble, could you please tell me a bit about how things work when one attends a concert at the Chapel (I've never actually been to a concert before...) and maybe also about some of the shows you've seen? Are there any musicians I ought to look into? Thank you for reassuring my Dad about the venue, for reading this post, and for giving me something to smile about this morning! |
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Alright now sir/madam, just what did you mean by "HA"? And written on a line all its own, no less! Hello, by the way. I am P08's daughter, and even if you were making fun of me your post made me so, so happy because damn it all, I can't find even a casual fan of Peter Murphy or musicians like him anywhere! So are you pretty Deep (sorry! ) into music from throughout the man's career, or just enough to make seeing him in concert worthwhile? And finally, if its no trouble, could you please tell me a bit about how things work when one attends a concert at the Chapel (I've never actually been to a concert before...) and maybe also about some of the shows you've seen? Are there any musicians I ought to look into? Thank you for reassuring my Dad about the venue, for reading this post, and for giving me something to smile about this morning! View Quote I like everything from classic country to classical to punk to new wave to goth and industrial. If there’s one thing the Bay Area has a lot of, it’s fans of more esoteric music. Peter Murphy plays here fairly frequently as he and his contemporaries have a fan base here. Sadly he cancelled a whole rash of concerts months back. I would assume you’re familiar with the band Bauhaus that he was in. If you like that, perhaps you’d want to check out Love and Rockets, Tones on Tail, Echo and the Bunnymen, Nick Cave and his associated acts, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Siouxsie Sue and the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy... Branching out a little, check out 1980s The Cure and Depeche Mode (they were a little darker back then.) Joy Division, Dead Can Dance, Coil, Clan of Xymox... If I think of more I’ll add them. As for the concert itself — nothing to it. You’ll enter the door, there’s a bar area up front. The concert space is in the back. There will be a person at the entrance of that within that’ll check your ticket. It’ll be pretty obvious what to do once you’re there. San Francisco has a cool few venues for music in this and related genres. Cat Club has a once weekly goth / industrial night that’s usually on a Friday. Then there’s Death Guild at DNA Lounge once a week I believe on Mondays. Check out either of their websites for music ideas as well. I’m not a “goth” at all nor do I dress up like one but I find the music and people a lot of fun, and it’s amusing people watching as many people get very dressed up. The people who attend these concerts like the one you’re going to are good, non pretentious, non asshole people. Almost unfailingly friendly in my experience and just want to listen to fun music and dance. |
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We hope your Dad has fun, too.
You might have to take him to the Marin Headlands to look at the old Coast Defense sites and/or Fort Point to soothe him down. The Marin Headlands are worth visiting just for the scenery. |
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Same, I hope the experience turns out better than he expects it will. I don't know if he still checks up on this thread but I'll definitely make sure he sees your suggestion. From pictures of the area on Google Images it looks amazing, like something he'd love to photograph. Thank you!
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Seconded on Marin Headlands. It’s an easy stop on the way up to Muir Woods. Beautiful scenery of the city if it’s a clear day.
Also as mentioned it’s really cool seeing the WW2 batteries and Nike missile site. It’s literally just over the Golden Gate so even if you don’t go to Muir Woods it’s right there. |
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