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Posted: 4/19/2018 11:39:35 PM EDT
Greeting, AR15 Lovers,
Sadly, I live on the "Left Coast", and as such, have until July 1, 2018, to make my Colt M4 "Featureless". So far, I've replaced my collapsing stock with a USGI A1 stock, which is what I used at Fort Ord, eons ago. I like it far better than the OEM collapsible stock. I will be replacing the "bullet button", and it will be great to get a regular mag release back.Still left to be done, are to choose a "featureless" grip, and replace the A2 Birdcage flash hider, with compensator, or muzzle brake. I don't worry about the flash so much as I want to keep the noise down for myself, and my fellow shooting folks at the range! I've been considering the KAW Linear Compensator, which looks to work pretty well at cutting down the concussion, and blast for the shooter and others on the range, whilst at the same time, directing all that forward. Yeah, I know..... fearsome flash from such a device. But, again, that's not the most important consideration, for me. Any other suggestions will be much appreciated. What "featureless" grips can you recommend, please? I'm considering the Strike Industries MegaFin, and the Monsterman grips. Have these two been reviewed and compared here on the AR15 forums? If so, what was the consensus of opinion about which offered the most comfortable, and controllable grip? Also, I was considering making a vise block for my barrel, out of some hardwood scraps, and use those, and some leather, to vise up my barrel out here the A2 Birdcage, in order to remove it. Am I on the right track here? Last, I would find it very interesting to hear from other CA AR15 owners, to learn they did to make their own AR's "featureless". Thanks, very much, and I look forward to hearing what you all thing about this, and reading your suggestions and comments. Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc |
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Commenting on CA law is as foreign to me as commenting on the laws of Mozambique, so I'll refrain from any suggestions, but
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Greeting, AR15 Lovers, Sadly, I live on the "Left Coast", and as such, have until July 1, 2018, to make my Colt M4 "Featureless". So far, I've replaced my collapsing stock with a USGI A1 stock, which is what I used at Fort Ord, eons ago. I like it far better than the OEM collapsible stock. I will be replacing the "bullet button", and it will be great to get a regular mag release back.Still left to be done, are to choose a "featureless" grip, and replace the A2 Birdcage flash hider, with compensator, or muzzle brake. I don't worry about the flash so much as I want to keep the noise down for myself, and my fellow shooting folks at the range! I've been considering the KAW Linear Compensator, which looks to work pretty well at cutting down the concussion, and blast for the shooter and others on the range, whilst at the same time, directing all that forward. Yeah, I know..... fearsome flash from such a device. But, again, that's not the most important consideration, for me. Any other suggestions will be much appreciated. What "featureless" grips can you recommend, please? I'm considering the Strike Industries MegaFin, and the Monsterman grips. Have these two been reviewed and compared here on the AR15 forums? If so, what was the consensus of opinion about which offered the most comfortable, and controllable grip? Also, I was considering making a vise block for my barrel, out of some hardwood scraps, and use those, and some leather, to vise up my barrel out here the A2 Birdcage, in order to remove it. Am I on the right track here? Last, I would find it very interesting to hear from other CA AR15 owners, to learn they did to make their own AR's "featureless". Thanks, very much, and I look forward to hearing what you all thing about this, and reading your suggestions and comments. Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc View Quote But I do not have any AR-15’s, they are baby killers. And I love babies. |
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I posted this in the CA section, but it doesn't hurt posting it here.
All of my AR's have this setup or a variation of it. It's the cheapest and less intrusive... meaning it gives the most standard AR experience. To me, this is the best, because you aren't hinging the Ar open every couple minutes which makes the upper and lower fit really loose. This also allows you to clear malfunctions and pretty much use the AR as a practical carbine whereas other methods don't allow you to do so and make simple malfunctions a pain in the ass. Remember, if you ever want to use the AR for anything other than punching holes in paper, this is the only way to go... even the bullet button was impractical and I loved watching the tactical guys reloading by putting a little pin into a little hole trying to get their gun into action. Strike Industries Simple Grip They are 10$ and come with the lock washer and pistol grip screw. An ARFcom sponsor, Right to bear has them for the best price usually 7-8$ on sale. Right To Bear.com Price I also use the Aim Sports stock lock. Link to it. Usually around 5$. Some pictures show the stock lock being used without the adjustment piece on the stock, which can be installed with the stock lock, but it's purely for aesthetics. They make stock locks for Magpul, daniel defense, M4 stocks, and Sopmod style. With those two products, you can use a blank muzzle or add a compensator/ brake for a featureless on any build. Here are a couple of pictures of them being used on different stocks. Both the stock lock and simple grip are being used. I had a picture of a stock lock on the Magpul ACS, but can't find it sorry. Here are pictures of them on fixed stocks. You have to file a bit off the top to fit correctly. They will work perfectly fine together as the grip will bend to accommodate the fixed stock, but filing it will make it sit flush together. Colt A2 Stock: Colt A1 Stock, Type E: I'm in the retro clone game, so I had to find some alternative muzzle devices. I saw those muzzle devices that are essentially closed end A2s. To me that's a little iffy and a gray area. I decided to contact John Thomas at Retro Arms Work and he created these for me. He took a standard A1 and A2 Flash Hider, bored it out and welded in a steel insert. That makes sure it will never or can never be construed as a flash hider. FN A2 Flash Hider: Colt A1 Flash Hider: |
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I clicked on the link, read several posts. WTF??? That's not America! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Greeting, AR15 Lovers, Sadly, I live on the "Left Coast", and as such, have until July 1, 2018, to make my Colt M4 "Featureless". ... Also, I was considering making a vise block for my barrel, out of some hardwood scraps, and use those, and some leather, to vise up my barrel out here the A2 Birdcage, in order to remove it. Am I on the right track here? Last, I would find it very interesting to hear from other CA AR15 owners, to learn they did to make their own AR's "featureless". Thanks, very much, and I look forward to hearing what you all thing about this, and reading your suggestions and comments. Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc View Quote Redneck method - Since yours is an m4 (flat top), an easy way to hold the receiver in the vise is to turn it sideway, use 2 pieces of wood (2x4 would do) cut to fit between the front and rear lugs, and the other for the flat top. Most A2 FS would not take too much to unscrew. Better way - Get a Magpul Bev block, from any vendors here. This is a must have for anyone who wants to tinker with AR. http://www.primaryarms.com/magpul-ar-15-bev-block-mag536 |
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Quoted: Remove A2 FS: Redneck method - Since yours is an m4 (flat top), an easy way to hold the receiver in the vise is to turn it sideway, use 2 pieces of wood (2x4 would do) cut to fit between the front and rear lugs, and the other for the flat top. Most A2 FS would not take too much to unscrew. View Quote Barrel blocks are cheap, can be made easy peasey, or a strip of leather does the job. I've seen guys sandwich the fsb between 2 pcs of 2X4 in a vise also. Clamping the upper receiver and removing an over torqued or stuck MD may net you a fukd up receiver or bbl. |
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Then they will just come up w more restrictive laws... And you wont be in compliance then either. Im in the same boat, different coast. Your not going to get anywhere playing by their ever changing rules. Fuck'em...
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Wait, does CA have more new laws? Did they make everyone register bullet button then tell them to go features?
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Yes, something like that. It's completely ridiculous, as usual.
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Build a "fixed" mag dedicated lower and you don't have to change anything.
FC Hook 47 SECONDS INSTALL FC HOOK https://www.riflegear.com/p-7358-torque-precision-fc-hook-magazine-lock.aspx DFM Magazine Franklin Armory® DFM™ Approved for 2017 California ARs https://www.riflegear.com/p-7340-franklin-armory-dfm-magazine-ar15-556mm-10rd.aspx |
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Just did some reading. Is this to be allowed to the 30 rounders?
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I went Fixed Mag w/ Bear Flag BF-10 & Mean Arms Loader.. and 2x w/ the Juggernaut HellFighter kit..
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MIAD grip with Exile Machine backfin is the way to go for grip. That way you can adapt it when outside CA.
Tactical Low Concussion muzzle break $16.98 on ebay to replace flash hider. |
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Just read a couple posts, one guy had his shit checked while shooting at BLM land, another guy lost 3k worth of shit. I'm not going to jail, nor do I want to spend a shit ton in legal money. If you are, go for it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I posted this in the CA section, but it doesn't hurt posting it here. All of my AR's have this setup or a variation of it. It's the cheapest and less intrusive... meaning it gives the most standard AR experience. To me, this is the best, because you aren't hinging the Ar open every couple minutes which makes the upper and lower fit really loose. This also allows you to clear malfunctions and pretty much use the AR as a practical carbine whereas other methods don't allow you to do so and make simple malfunctions a pain in the ass. Remember, if you ever want to use the AR for anything other than punching holes in paper, this is the only way to go... even the bullet button was impractical and I loved watching the tactical guys reloading by putting a little pin into a little hole trying to get their gun into action. Strike Industries Simple Grip https://www.strikeindustries.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/602f0fa2c1f0d1ba5e241f914e856ff9/d/s/dsc_0272_3.jpg They are 10$ and come with the lock washer and pistol grip screw. An ARFcom sponsor, Right to bear has them for the best price usually 7-8$ on sale. Right To Bear.com Price I also use the Aim Sports stock lock. Link to it. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1271/7541/products/aim-sports-inc-m4-stock-lock-pin-lower-part-ar15discounts_151_x700.jpg?v=1520408175 Usually around 5$. Some pictures show the stock lock being used without the adjustment piece on the stock, which can be installed with the stock lock, but it's purely for aesthetics. They make stock locks for Magpul, daniel defense, M4 stocks, and Sopmod style. With those two products, you can use a blank muzzle or add a compensator/ brake for a featureless on any build. Here are a couple of pictures of them being used on different stocks. https://i.imgur.com/SfhHDnY.jpg Both the stock lock and simple grip are being used. I had a picture of a stock lock on the Magpul ACS, but can't find it sorry. Here are pictures of them on fixed stocks. You have to file a bit off the top to fit correctly. They will work perfectly fine together as the grip will bend to accommodate the fixed stock, but filing it will make it sit flush together. Colt A2 Stock: https://i.imgur.com/Vv9Hw5s.jpg?1 Colt A1 Stock, Type E: https://i.imgur.com/OnFJGRj.jpg I'm in the retro clone game, so I had to find some alternative muzzle devices. I saw those muzzle devices that are essentially closed end A2s. To me that's a little iffy and a gray area. I decided to contact John Thomas at Retro Arms Work and he created these for me. He took a standard A1 and A2 Flash Hider, bored it out and welded in a steel insert. That makes sure it will never or can never be construed as a flash hider. FN A2 Flash Hider: https://i.imgur.com/xJfZYwQ.jpg Colt A1 Flash Hider: https://i.imgur.com/OEitE6n.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: Don’t we have until Jun 30th to comply..?? Thought I saw it somewhere saying we CAN STILL go out shooting with our B.B Rifles View Quote |
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Keep your features and go with a CompMag fixed magazine.
It's pretty slick and an easy removal for your free state trips. http://www.compmag.net |
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This thread catalogued at lot of the available devices. Look them over for thoughts.
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I don't live in CA, but all my lowers are pre-2017. Can I register some, and later bring them to CA temporarily with BBs if I want? Would that be advantageous?
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I don't live in CA, but all my lowers are pre-2017. Can I register some, and later bring them to CA temporarily with BBs if I want? Would that be advantageous? View Quote |
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Thanks. I was just curious, in case I visit the state sometime.
Yeah, it sounds like some FFL/SOT or LE exemption would be the best option. I guess I would wade through that info when planning a potential visit. It'll probably have changed by then anyway. |
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Not sure there is any benefit to jumping through various hoops for licenses, business, etc., to go bullet button for a temporary trip when you could go featureless or even fixed mag compliant for what would seem to be a lot less time, money and effort.
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I don't live in CA, but all my lowers are pre-2017. Can I register some, and later bring them to CA temporarily with BBs if I want? Would that be advantageous? View Quote |
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There's still a 10 round limit View Quote eta You need to be a CA resident to register a bullet button weapon (10rd limit), featureless requires no registration and can be used with a regular mag release and a high cap. Registering a bullet button rifle as an "assault weapon" that you CANNOT modify to a regular mag release is silly but to each their own. And a threaded muzzle is okay, just need a thread protector , brake or compensator. Milling off the threads and capping the muzzle is unnecessary. |
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For the Op or any visitor's purposes, there is a 10 round limit for featureless as well. The only currently legal greater than 10 round mags are those that are grandfathered, pending final court actions on the current 10 round limit implementation. But no new sales or importations.
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And a threaded muzzle is okay, just need a thread protector , brake or compensator. Milling off the threads and capping the muzzle is unnecessary. View Quote ON A PISTOL: A threaded barrel on a semiautomatic pistol makes it automatically an assault weapon. Unless you have already registered it or can do it now, you will have to remove the threads. But there is no need to mill off the threads, or permanently install a thread protector (I think the legal standard was to pin and silver solder). Just take the threaded barrel off, never reinstall it on the pistol, and put a non-threaded barrel in. |
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