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Posted: 12/31/2005 2:25:08 AM EDT

Would i be able to register a homebrew AK as an AW when they ban all the new(er) receivers?

Posted: 12/31/2005 6:40:00 AM EDT

[#1]

Edited to add: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

I registered "Geneis" which was an 80% lower that I wanted to bring in on my Military Assault Weapons Permit. Knowing how the government works I knew that I couldn't leave a blank line on the permit so for the manufacture I used "Shade Tree Armory" and for serial number I used PC-01 (politically correct -01). The clerk called me and said that they didn't have a number code listing for "Shade Tree Armory" - I told her is was a homemade lower AR-16 like Armalite or a Bushmaster rifle. She said Armalite ... I've got a code for them and marked it as an Armalite with the serial number of PC-01 so that's how I marked the lower - "Armalight PC-01".

I'm thinking that "they" are going to need a manufacture and a serial number to fill their boxes and they'll be happy. If your paper work matches the lower who's going to know or care that the lower really wasn't build by the company with the name engraved on the side of it.

I used an electro-chemical engraving process to mark mine.

Posted: 12/31/2005 8:05:20 AM EDT

[#2]

A regular and smart person on CalGuns spoke to a lawyer that deals in firearms. IIRC the lawyer said that only the weapons that are added to the list would be elegible. If you try to list one that was already on the list (Colt, Bushmaster, Etc) you could find yourself in a heap of trouble. He also advised that if you did manage to register an 80% with some name you cooked up and there was ever a situation where you were under scrutiny when they didn't find that name on the list your registration could be considered invalid. If found invalid and you had all the evil features on the weapon you're looking at fighting a Felony case.

Go over to CalGuns and read through everything for yourself, but most importantly, C.Y.A. and be careful.

Posted: 12/31/2005 10:26:33 AM EDT

[#3]

Generally speaking, 80% lowers cost MORE than a complete lower. Because of that, and the time to finish them, I would advise AGAINST buying them simplyfor the fact that there are better ways. A 2 hour drive for a receiver you know will be on the list if they add it is better than 2 hours of manufacturing the receiver at a higher cost without a guarantee that you can register it ever.

Stay away from 80%ers for now. If you have one and you can register it, GREAT, but wouldn't get one now with the hopes of building it up. I personally have two receivers built: a .223 fixed mag and a .50BMG single shot (I think I will register it after all IF the receivers get named. Why not have one more AW if I am already getting a few). If I can register the fixed mag than I will, but I am not going to hold my breath for it.

Posted: 12/31/2005 10:59:59 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:

I'm thinking that "they" are going to need a manufacture and a serial number to fill their boxes

"They" are lazy, the NCIC manual has the code for homebrew receivers/firearms...

Posted: 12/31/2005 11:51:33 AM EDT

[#5]

My guess is that the reason the DOJ has not done anything yet is they are figuring a way to only have to do it once. That may require legislation. They are not legislators.

If they do anything, it will most certainly address the 80% homebrew issue. They will word what ever they issue to include all possible permutaions. Then let the court decide if it is OK, just like the Harrot Decision. Until then, it will all stop, allow the Assembly & Senate to act and it will be done.

Or not.

Posted: 12/31/2005 4:18:50 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Edited to add: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

I registered "Geneis" which was an 80% lower that I wanted to bring in on my Military Assault Weapons Permit. Knowing how the government works I knew that I couldn't leave a blank line on the permit so for the manufacture I used "Shade Tree Armory" and for serial number I used PC-01 (politically correct -01). The clerk called me and said that they didn't have a number code listing for "Shade Tree Armory" - I told her is was a homemade lower AR-16 like Armalite or a Bushmaster rifle. She said Armalite ... I've got a code for them and marked it as an Armalite with the serial number of PC-01 so that's how I marked the lower - "Armalight PC-01".

I'm thinking that "they" are going to need a manufacture and a serial number to fill their boxes and they'll be happy. If your paper work matches the lower who's going to know or care that the lower really wasn't build by the company with the name engraved on the side of it.

I used an electro-chemical engraving process to mark mine.

WOW ! ! ! ! ! !

So, let's all go out and buy 80% lowers. THEN when the new list comes out adding, let's say, XYZ's model ABC, all we have to do is engrave them as XYZ mosdel ABC and register the receiver as such. We will have a valid registration form listing the receiver we have in our possession.

HOLY SMOKE ! ! ! !

Posted: 12/31/2005 4:40:36 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Edited to add: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

I registered "Geneis" which was an 80% lower that I wanted to bring in on my Military Assault Weapons Permit. Knowing how the government works I knew that I couldn't leave a blank line on the permit so for the manufacture I used "Shade Tree Armory" and for serial number I used PC-01 (politically correct -01). The clerk called me and said that they didn't have a number code listing for "Shade Tree Armory" - I told her is was a homemade lower AR-16 like Armalite or a Bushmaster rifle. She said Armalite ... I've got a code for them and marked it as an Armalite with the serial number of PC-01 so that's how I marked the lower - "Armalight PC-01".

I'm thinking that "they" are going to need a manufacture and a serial number to fill their boxes and they'll be happy. If your paper work matches the lower who's going to know or care that the lower really wasn't build by the company with the name engraved on the side of it.

I used an electro-chemical engraving process to mark mine.

WOW ! ! ! ! ! !

So, let's all go out and buy 80% lowers. THEN when the new list comes out adding, let's say, XYZ's model ABC, all we have to do is engrave them as XYZ mosdel ABC and register the receiver as such. We will have a valid registration form listing the receiver we have in our possession.

HOLY SMOKE ! ! ! !

If and when they take your rifle and possible arrest, you will have to testify that your receiver name was completed prior to the list being released.

Pick a name without looking

Posted: 12/31/2005 4:57:56 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

If and when they take your rifle and possible arrest, you will have to testify that your receiver name was completed prior to the list being released.

Pick a name without looking

Better than that. From the post, I think he's saying if they were to add Stag-15's to the list he would engrave Stag-15 on a 80%.

Well, the serial number has to be legit, and when you DROS a receiver like a STAG the FFL has to keep the 4473 that has the serial number written on it.

If you forge a serial number on a firearm I think you're in for alot more punishment at Club-Fed than you might like. Unless you like getting a rectal exam on a regular basis.

Posted: 1/1/2006 2:09:12 PM EDT

[#9]

Paul's AW permit procedure w/respect to homebrew/80% lowers is different/irrelevant here.

He got his gun in via a MAWP (Military AW Permit). That's an AW with a permit , not a conventional registered assault weapon that regular mortals have if they reg'd in 1991 or 2000. The homebrew status, etc. w/relation to Harrott, the Kasler list, etc. is irrelevant - the DOJ gave him a permit. AW Permits are not given out except for rare and special causes, and the permit was given before the gun was brought into the state.

For nonpermittees, stay away from noncommercial lowers. Since these are not in trade circulation, there's no practical way DOJ can list these by specific make/model as hard as they might try. Thus they may not have Harrott protection and would fall back under Kasler - getting you in a world of hurt.

And the idea of putting a production make/model name on your homebrew lower is ludicrous and stupid.

Bill W.
San Jose

Posted: 1/1/2006 3:24:24 PM EDT

[#10]

Probably true but what a sad sad SAD statement on the screwed up state that this state has been twisted into. Think about it. A firearm is perfectly fine - .223 ammo, 18" barrel, twenty round magazine AS LONG AS IT DOESN"T HAVE A PLASTIC PISTOL GRIP! Ruger Mini-14 are perfectly acceptable where as a Bushmaster AR-15 is a deadly assualt weapon the mear possession of is a felony. A six year old magazine is good, a new one is bad. Two identical pieces of aluminum with holes, screws, funtions identical are legal or illegal depending on the inability of the leglisature to get their collective heads out of their butts.

People it's time to rise up and get off our collective asses and support those non-socialist where ever they may be. As the next political season rolls around I'm going to find the time, energy, and money to support my local guy who is very pro-freedom. This isn't about the Second Amendment it's about the death by a hundred cuts that the socialist have inflicted upon us. They're rich, powerful, and for the most part not from California. With the Hollywood socialist able to sway millions of minds-of-jello to vote for their cause or defeat common sense legislation, able to sent us in to debt whenever they feel like it, able to coddle to illegal aliens, able to lower our education standards to the lowest 10% of the states. The million and billionaire socialist pulling strings, supporting the cause againt smaller government, against personal responsibility and freedom.

It's time people. I spent my Navy career fighting socialist and communist overseas and in the mean time they were swarming into California to take it over.

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