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Posted: 8/29/2005 6:52:59 PM EDT
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do they have him in custody?
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Posted: 8/29/2005 6:55:17 PM EDT
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The guns went missing from 2 different ranges, correct?
Several of us, myself included, took a bunch of pics & short vids there. If any of that might help in ID'ing this sorry scum just let us know. Someone thought they recognized the getaway vehicle. Any descriptions for the suspected perps? |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 7:22:11 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear about your loss. The only reason I didn't post anything about this earlier is was not to tip off the jackass who ripped you and another gentleman off. I guess its out in the forums now so here goes. He obviously recognized some people down at the FDCC shoot. This means that either:
(A) He reads AR15.com (B) Has gone to gun gallery (C) Has scoped out FDCC in the past There are some other details from Sunday I'd rather not post. PM me if you want more details. Tyrone |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 7:35:39 PM EDT
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I had left a couple guns unattended in a neat little pile on the middle range while shooting the COF, admiring the M249 show, etc. I packed up and left before the theif made his move, I feel real lucky that I am not now posting about losing my stuff here...
From now on when I am shooting at Osceola I am going to start locking all of my stuff in my car and bringing out only one gun at a time. Combined with the notice about the stolen varmint rifle from the Osceola range that got sent out on the "Friends of the Osceola" e-mail list a couple months ago it appears some scumbags have targeted the range. I hope they catch the bastard and you guys get your stuff back. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:52:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2005 1:57:36 AM EDT
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Sorry to hear that man. When I was there on Sunday afternoon, I noticed an awful lot of people apparently not associated with FDCC, just there at the same time. You really can't trust strangers to do the right thing anymore. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 4:21:13 AM EDT
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Interesting. I was planning on attending but got the honey do list the night before and figured it would not work out. Barring any major issues, I will be there next month. I hope you guys get your weapons back. I would not be a happy camper about that... Bigfeet |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 4:47:39 AM EDT
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Damn. Sorry to hear that, and hoping for swift recovery of the goods & terrible retribution for the dirtbag perp(s).
The worst thing that has ever happened to me is that a few of my AR mags disappeared at Markham Park. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:42:38 AM EDT
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Dude that SUCKS, Sorry to hear it.
I hope you catch the Bastard  Peolpe these days 
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Posted: 8/30/2005 2:36:16 PM EDT
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Damn that does suck................
I use that range alot, and often walk down range with my stuff on the table............. well except the pistol on my hip..... 
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Posted: 8/30/2005 4:36:57 PM EDT
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uhh yeah. i'm thinking from now on i'll have a [insert make and model of next pistol here] strapped to my leg and if anyone as much as looks at my shit funny... well...
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:28:43 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear about the thefts. Damn.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:25:10 PM EDT
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Was there and that really sucks, because me and two freinds had 3 rifles(m4's) , range bags, and even at one piont my wallet out in the open and even unattended (we all walked down to the last range to shot an mp5)....
Sucks Mike 
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:33:12 PM EDT
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That is really nuts. Sorry to hear that guys. Its a shame to have to do it but it might be a good idea to take a digital photograph of all cars' plates that are at the range.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:17:30 PM EDT
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yeah. that was my first time out there, and i was pleased to finally find a relaxed atmosphere that uses common sense as a weapon safety. however, i think it may be necessary to have people at least sign in and list a plate number or something. this stuff cant keep happening (not that there is a history of it)
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:11:20 AM EDT
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Loud and clear... Mike
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Posted: 8/31/2005 4:57:51 PM EDT
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I doubt very seriously there will be any sort of sign in, digi pics of people's cars etc at Osceola. Its a free range where people are responsible for themselves and their gear. That sort of freedom to shoot the way you like, without getting a hard time from range personel also comes with a the liability of no sign in, memberships etc.
If law enforcement of some type was sitting at the gate of any range (in the country) taking photos of everyone's license plate etc upon arrival, I'm sure there would be an outrage. And I think it would be justified, no matter who it is taking the photos. Us or law enforcement. FDCC has been shooting there for over 5 years. While this is not the first time this has happened at the Osceola range, this is the first time it has happened at one of our shoots. As the founder of the club, I'll be the first to tell you how horribly I feel that this has happened to one of our long time supporters. And I know how he feels, I have had a gun stolen from me (not at a FDCC shoot) and it is a terrible feeling. However, I have heard a lot of pretty scary suggestions on what to do about it. Gun owners and 2nd ammendment supporters are giving some of the same type of responses most gun owners actively fight tooth and nail against. Whomever did this, did it right under our noses. Did it in front of no less than 20 or 30 armed people. It took a lot of nerve, but in the end, we can blame ourselves as much as anyone. We love Osceola because it is a free range where common sense safety rules are enforced, not by range officers or stuffy range personel, but by the individuals who are there. We dont need pictures of everyone who enters the range, we dont need photo ID, we need more personal vigilance. Like I said, as the founder of FDCC, I feel terrible that this happened at one of our shoots. Its quite likely that our event and the large number of people and guns folks know always show up to our events attracted the thieves. We just need to pay more attention. Many of us have already chimed in saying how carelss we have been with our guns at the range. I'm as guilty as anyone. Last year I left a somewhat expensive digital camera on the center range and didnt even remember it until I was home. FDCC, like the range we use, is open to the public. We dont need more rules, we need to take more personal responsibility. With folks feeling as badly as they do about having their guns taken from them, I know my opinion may be unpopular. But I sure wouldnt want anything to do with the club I've spent so much of my own time building if it started to implement the same type of restrictions we pity other states for enforcing. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 5:43:53 PM EDT
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+1 he speaks the truth. like i said before. wish i hadnt let it out of my sight.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 7:41:55 PM EDT
[#19]
Well said.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 8:20:30 PM EDT
[#20]
That totally blows and I hope they get nabbed.
I always thought folks were too trusting at ranges. I always try to make sure someone is watching my stuff. I have seen too many folks getting close to my gear and others gear. One time at Markham park I yelled a d guy for handling another guys rifle behind the line. Guy turns around and catches him because he heard me. I dont trust anyone anywhere. You have pics of what was taken? serial #s? Maybe some local shops can keep an eye out if you are on good terms with the local shops. |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 3:25:46 AM EDT
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Gotta agree... no draconian steps. Let's not punish the non-guilty, but hang the guilty sumbitches when they get caught!
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Posted: 9/1/2005 9:11:36 AM EDT
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Idea-
Find the perpetrator and use them as the focal piece of next month's COF.  Seriously, though, that frickin sucks and I am sorry to hear it happened. This sort of thing is why I very rarely go to public ranges anymore. |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 9:27:28 AM EDT
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I agree that taking info/photos at the range would get a very negative response.
I don't even like the fact that Markham takes my driver's license # when I sign in. |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 4:31:38 PM EDT
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Someone had to have a serious set of balls to do that. That, or really stupid.
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Posted: 9/2/2005 1:50:47 PM EDT
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So where are we on helping Andy out on replacements? Seems the fdcc board is not visited much so I don't have any replies. Does Andy still read this board?
Let me know, White Horse |
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Posted: 9/2/2005 3:52:17 PM EDT
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What all was taken? If we had an idea what was taken, we can perhaps be on the lookout for the stuff at local gun shows and such.
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Posted: 9/2/2005 4:43:20 PM EDT
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This is why i try to go as early as possible to avoid these idiots.
I figure their are too lazy to get up early. |
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Posted: 9/2/2005 5:37:54 PM EDT
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Missing FAL (it now has a DSA rail top cover):
 Missing AR with EoTech, VTac FF tube, BUIS, G2 light: 
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Posted: 9/2/2005 9:10:42 PM EDT
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not the best pic, but a generic west german stamped slide P226 circa 1987-1988 i think.
http://plaza.ufl.edu/rstarowe/stolen226.jpg ETA: best i can say is identify the worn finish on the front of the trigger guard, and the front strap of the grip. it has the standard old style plastic grips and its a 9mm with the 3-dot sight setup. if you see it, let me know and i'll verify the serial number... P.S. i was playing couch commando at the time |
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Posted: 9/2/2005 9:28:21 PM EDT
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If you can post the info at local shops and offer a reward.
We had a customer get some guns stolen and within a week someone tried to sell them to us. We checked the #s and sure enough it was them. We took the DL# and photo copied it, saved the security tapes, offered a check to buy the guns, called cops, called owner. Cops said to go ahead and issue a check, our ATF buddy said its was ok as well since we knew the guns were stolen we didnt want to catch any crap for knowingly buying stolen goods. Cops took too long and guys left but we got the guns , the owner got them back, the cops said to go ahead and put a stop on the check. Heard they got busted for something else later. |
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Posted: 9/3/2005 11:03:19 AM EDT
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Is this it, or are there more? I want to cross post the missing items to the mailing list of some local ranges, just in case.
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Posted: 9/3/2005 1:45:42 PM EDT
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that is a complete list. 3 weapons stolen from 2 individuals. I like i said do have the serials but i'm not sure if i should release it (at least not publically).
thanks to all for the concern and offers for help. |
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Posted: 9/4/2005 1:14:51 PM EDT
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Any pics or description of the possible suspect(s)?
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Posted: 9/5/2005 2:12:24 PM EDT
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Well? |
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Posted: 9/5/2005 3:11:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2005 3:37:23 PM EDT
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I dont think Andy reads the site, here or the FDCC board.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 2:22:25 PM EDT
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I will keep an eye out for ya when Im out and if anyone wants to email me some more info I would be happy to give it to the local shops and some of the other locals to watch for.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 5:08:18 PM EDT
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That does suck,At least the the # are reported stolen,if they do sell them,wont they turn up?
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Posted: 9/14/2005 6:56:08 PM EDT
[#40]
Man that really sucks!
Tagged for updates... |
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