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Posted: 1/28/2006 6:39:04 AM EDT

does anybody have experience with this scope?

thanks
Frens

Posted: 1/28/2006 6:42:56 AM EDT

[#1]

tag

Posted: 1/28/2006 8:21:58 AM EDT

[#2]

Mine fit perfectly using Leupold low(?) QD rings on DSA base.

Very nice scope for the money.

Posted: 1/28/2006 9:31:04 AM EDT

[#3]

ditto raf......... run a M2 on my SAR..... DSA base and QD DSA low rings..... I like it, works great out to about 400m

Posted: 1/28/2006 9:43:31 AM EDT

[#4]

good to hear that you are happy with your scope. what kind of reticle do you have? I was looking at th CQB one
also, what are the main difference between the M1 and the M2?

Posted: 1/28/2006 12:51:42 PM EDT

[#5]

Probably the best scope out there for the money. I am going with the exact same setup on one of my FALs. IOR scopes, IMHO are the finest out there.

Posted: 1/28/2006 1:55:42 PM EDT

[#6]

M2's have the adjustable ocular and they're 1" or so shorter in length.....
reticle is the Dragunov.... more unobstructed FOV then they other 2 reticles....

Posted: 1/29/2006 10:35:13 AM EDT

[#7]

Less than $350, durable, clear, light weight, 4 power magnification. What more could one ask for?

Posted: 1/29/2006 1:44:02 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
good to hear that you are happy with your scope. what kind of reticle do you have? I was looking at th CQB one
also, what are the main difference between the M1 and the M2?

According to material I have read, M1 "has a bullet drop compensated cam calibrated for the .308 168 grain projectile in ranges from 100 to 1000 meters."

M2 etc "for .223 62 grain.... 200 to 800 meters."

It is getting serious consideration for my FAL, if I ever get it.

The above was from the Bushmaster catalog. usa optics web site copy differs re the ranges.

Posted: 1/30/2006 5:22:31 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
good to hear that you are happy with your scope. what kind of reticle do you have? I was looking at th CQB one
also, what are the main difference between the M1 and the M2?

According to material I have read, M1 "has a bullet drop compensated cam calibrated for the .308 168 grain projectile in ranges from 100 to 1000 meters."

M2 etc "for .223 62 grain.... 200 to 800 meters."

It is getting serious consideration for my FAL, if I ever get it.

The above was from the Bushmaster catalog. usa optics web site copy differs re the ranges.

Would it be possible to use the M1 scope on a FAL if you commonly shoot 7.62 surplus i.e 147 grain?

Posted: 1/30/2006 5:36:39 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
good to hear that you are happy with your scope. what kind of reticle do you have? I was looking at th CQB one
also, what are the main difference between the M1 and the M2?

According to material I have read, M1 "has a bullet drop compensated cam calibrated for the .308 168 grain projectile in ranges from 100 to 1000 meters."

M2 etc "for .223 62 grain.... 200 to 800 meters."

It is getting serious consideration for my FAL, if I ever get it.

The above was from the Bushmaster catalog. usa optics web site copy differs re the ranges.

Would it be possible to use the M1 scope on a FAL if you commonly shoot 7.62 surplus i.e 147 grain?

Yep. I do it all the time. You will obviously need to figure out what the bullet drop translates to for your load vs. 168g.

Posted: 1/30/2006 7:16:34 AM EDT

[#11]

so, the M1 is calibrated for the 308 and the M2 is for 223?

Posted: 1/30/2006 8:40:00 AM EDT

[#12]

Go to the source: www.valdada.com/vn/ior/03?token=4glx6YJLLi1E8MPmt5MHgg

Posted: 1/30/2006 9:03:11 AM EDT

[#13]

thanks raf

is this the Dragunov style reticle that the M1 has? I know how to use the rangefinder but I don't know how to use the chevrons if I zero the scope at 100m... can anyone explain it to me? I a noob with this kind of reticles...

Posted: 1/30/2006 9:28:55 AM EDT

[#14]

I have this scope and it is the bomb. Heavy duty, easy to use, affordable, and good optics. IMO, you cant go wrong.

S.O.

Posted: 1/30/2006 9:29:05 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
good to hear that you are happy with your scope. what kind of reticle do you have? I was looking at th CQB one
also, what are the main difference between the M1 and the M2?

According to material I have read, M1 "has a bullet drop compensated cam calibrated for the .308 168 grain projectile in ranges from 100 to 1000 meters."

M2 etc "for .223 62 grain.... 200 to 800 meters."

It is getting serious consideration for my FAL, if I ever get it.

The above was from the Bushmaster catalog. usa optics web site copy differs re the ranges.

Would it be possible to use the M1 scope on a FAL if you commonly shoot 7.62 surplus i.e 147 grain?

I sure hope so. I have 3 cases of South African I've bought while waiting for my Para Congo. By the time it arrives the ammo fort will probably be finished. I am a prospective FAL rookie. Others will be more helpful. I just know what I have read.

Posted: 1/30/2006 11:55:28 AM EDT

[#16]

Zero both the Irons and Scope @ 25 Meters. This will give you a close approximation of a 200 M zero. You should make sure to verify at the proper range asap.

Set the Rear iron sight elevation to "2", and adjust front sight post for elevation. Adjust rear sight for initial windage. POI=POA.

Same for scope, just set BDC ring to "2", and use top chevron in reticule. Adjust windage and elevation as per manufacturer's instructions.

IOR M2s can be a little tricky to sight-in, as they have more adjustments available to the user than are found in most other scopes. For example, the index rings are capable of being adjusted indepentently of their respective knobs.

Read IOR's sighting-in instructions carefully, and you will get the hang of it. Make sure to have the correct size tools (screwdrivers) for the job before you start.

Posted: 1/30/2006 12:27:43 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
so, the M1 is calibrated for the 308 and the M2 is for 223?

no..... you can get either scope cammed for either cal..... use to beable to anyway, not sure now

Posted: 1/30/2006 4:07:48 PM EDT

[#18]

I have two M1's-- Awesome scope. Both have the Dragunov reticle. You may have to mount it high on a para to clear the rear sight? With the standard rear sight set back at 200 (metric), you can use low rings with a DSA mount and move the scope all the way back so that it almost touches the sight. When you look through it you can't tell the sight is there, and the scope is in a perfect place to pick it up quickly. I milled out a steel blocked Rhodesian para stock from Sarco just so I could use the standard rear sight. Three reasons, one so that I could mount the scope low and back, and, even with a short barrel, the FAL is easily good out past 600 yards, so why not have a standard sight? Three, it was fifty bucks cheaper not having to buy the para sight.

Unfortunately, I would not do this to a DSA aluminum blocked para because it would ruin it's value, and most importantly, it would not be strong enough.

Posted: 1/30/2006 4:10:46 PM EDT

[#19]

Oops, forgot to add another tale-- I dropped one of my rifles right directly on the top turret of the M1, (no, I will not explain why)

Moral of the story-- No problems at all. These are one TOUGH scope!!!

Posted: 1/31/2006 8:16:37 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Oops, forgot to add another tale-- I dropped one of my rifles right directly on the top turret of the M1, (no, I will not explain why) Moral of the story-- No problems at all. These are one TOUGH scope!!!

why did you do that?

what's a good place to buy a M1 w/Dragunov reticle online?

Posted: 1/31/2006 8:36:05 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Zero both the Irons and Scope @ 25 Meters. This will give you a close approximation of a 200 M zero. You should make sure to verify at the proper range asap.

Set the Rear iron sight elevation to "2", and adjust front sight post for elevation. Adjust rear sight for initial windage. POI=POA.

Same for scope, just set BDC ring to "2", and use top chevron in reticule. Adjust windage and elevation as per manufacturer's instructions.

IOR M2s can be a little tricky to sight-in, as they have more adjustments available to the user than are found in most other scopes. For example, the index rings are capable of being adjusted independently of their respective knobs.

Read IOR's sighting-in instructions carefully, and you will get the hang of it. Make sure to have the correct size tools (screwdrivers) for the job before you start.

Posted: 1/31/2006 8:40:37 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Zero both the Irons and Scope @ 25 Meters. This will give you a close approximation of a 200 M zero. You should make sure to verify at the proper range asap.

Set the Rear iron sight elevation to "2", and adjust front sight post for elevation. Adjust rear sight for initial windage. POI=POA.

Same for scope, just set BDC ring to "2", and use top chevron in reticule. Adjust windage and elevation as per manufacturer's instructions.

IOR M2s can be a little tricky to sight-in, as they have more adjustments available to the user than are found in most other scopes. For example, the index rings are capable of being adjusted independently of their respective knobs.

Read IOR's sighting-in instructions carefully, and you will get the hang of it. Make sure to have the correct size tools (screwdrivers) for the job before you start.

thanks again raf

I've read that you've removed the bipod from your FAL... will I notice a big difference if I remove the bipod and replace the steel handguards with "plastic" one (belgian style)?

Posted: 1/31/2006 4:17:29 PM EDT

[#23]

I will NOT tell you Frens, why I was stupid enough to drop my rifle---errrr, nevermind

---- Try Cactus Tactical, SWFA (riflescopes.com), and DSA.

Posted: 1/31/2006 8:18:03 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Zero both the Irons and Scope @ 25 Meters. This will give you a close approximation of a 200 M zero. You should make sure to verify at the proper range asap.

Set the Rear iron sight elevation to "2", and adjust front sight post for elevation. Adjust rear sight for initial windage. POI=POA.

Same for scope, just set BDC ring to "2", and use top chevron in reticule. Adjust windage and elevation as per manufacturer's instructions.

IOR M2s can be a little tricky to sight-in, as they have more adjustments available to the user than are found in most other scopes. For example, the index rings are capable of being adjusted independently of their respective knobs.

Read IOR's sighting-in instructions carefully, and you will get the hang of it. Make sure to have the correct size tools (screwdrivers) for the job before you start.

thanks again raf

I've read that you've removed the bipod from your FAL... will I notice a big difference if I remove the bipod and replace the steel handguards with "plastic" one (belgian style)?

Yes. Your hands are less likely to get burned, and your rifle will be lighter and better balanced, to say nothing of a bit more acurate than if you had used the bipod while shooting. The bipod was intended for use in full-auto mode, something you and I will not likely ever see.

Posted: 2/1/2006 4:37:19 AM EDT

[#25]

I checked the accuracy of my DSA stg58 with and without the bipod installed on the rifle. I found that it was more accurate WITH the bipod on the rifle, folded and using a rest. With the bipod deployed, it was very inaccurate.

Posted: 2/1/2006 5:38:58 AM EDT

[#26]

tag for the Dragunov reticle explanation. There just isn't enough explanation available for this thing.

Posted: 2/1/2006 5:53:52 AM EDT

[#27]

that's the only thing I've found... It's a videogames site but there is a description of the Dragunov reticle

flashpoint.furryclan.net/tactics.html?dragunov

Posted: 2/1/2006 6:34:48 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Zero both the Irons and Scope @ 25 Meters. This will give you a close approximation of a 200 M zero. You should make sure to verify at the proper range asap.

Set the Rear iron sight elevation to "2", and adjust front sight post for elevation. Adjust rear sight for initial windage. POI=POA.

Same for scope, just set BDC ring to "2", and use top chevron in reticule. Adjust windage and elevation as per manufacturer's instructions.

IOR M2s can be a little tricky to sight-in, as they have more adjustments available to the user than are found in most other scopes. For example, the index rings are capable of being adjusted indepentently of their respective knobs.

Read IOR's sighting-in instructions carefully, and you will get the hang of it. Make sure to have the correct size tools (screwdrivers) for the job before you start.

Thanks. Sounds like simple battle sight zero for the scope. This optic setup is on my to buy list this year.

Posted: 2/2/2006 7:27:36 AM EDT

[#29]

Quick and dirty explanation of the IOR M1:

One uses the upper chevron in conjunction with the Bullet Drop Compensator from 100-1000M.

The lower chevrons are for ranges 1100, 1200, and 1300M, which are beyond the capacity of the BDC.

The stadia scale represents 1.7M (5'8") in height from 200-1000M.

The horizontal hash marks are in 1 Mil increments, useful for estimating horizontal lengths (and thus range), and for windage hold-offs.

The BDC is for 168gn .308, and is fine out to 600M. Beyond that you'll have to hold over a bit for 150gn bullets.

Posted: 2/2/2006 8:57:01 AM EDT

[#30]

any experience with these guys?

riflescopes.com

usaoptics.net

csgunworks.com

will the ARMS#22 low rings work? or I should use the medium height?

Posted: 2/2/2006 9:55:24 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
Quick and dirty explanation of the IOR M2:

One uses the upper chevron in conjunction with the Bullet Drop Compensator from 100-1000M.

The lower chevrons are for ranges 1100, 1200, and 1300M, which are beyond the capacity of the BDC.

The stadia scale represents 1.7M (5'8") in height from 200-1000M.

The horizontal hash marks are in 1 Mil increments, useful for estimating horizontal lengths (and thus range), and for windage hold-offs.

The BDC is for 168gn .308, and is fine out to 600M. Beyond that you'll have to hold over a bit for 150gn bullets.

Good description, thanks.

Now, what is the deal on the M1? Is it now a .308 version of the M2 with the adjustable eyepiece?

There is conflicting info out there about the changes to these scopes.

Posted: 2/2/2006 10:43:39 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quick and dirty explanation of the IOR M2:

One uses the upper chevron in conjunction with the Bullet Drop Compensator from 100-1000M.

The lower chevrons are for ranges 1100, 1200, and 1300M, which are beyond the capacity of the BDC.

The stadia scale represents 1.7M (5'8") in height from 200-1000M.

The horizontal hash marks are in 1 Mil increments, useful for estimating horizontal lengths (and thus range), and for windage hold-offs.

The BDC is for 168gn .308, and is fine out to 600M. Beyond that you'll have to hold over a bit for 150gn bullets.

Good description, thanks.

Now, what is the deal on the M1? Is it now a .308 version of the M2 with the adjustable eyepiece?

There is conflicting info out there about the changes to these scopes.

Typo on my part. M1=7.62, M2=5.56. Everything else works the same. See my link to IOR posted earlier in this thread.

Posted: 2/2/2006 11:11:52 AM EDT

[#33]

+1

the M2 is also shorter than the M1 (8.75'' vs 10'')

Posted: 2/2/2006 4:02:16 PM EDT

[#34]

usaoptics took a Loooong time to deliver, but deliver they did. SWFA (riflescopes.com) were great to deal with, although a few bucks more. Never bought from csgunworks. With a DSA mount, I use low Millet Angle Locks. This allows me to tweak the windage to zero, while leaving the scope alone. I have never tried any other type of ring with my scopes. Next time ( I figure on buying another), I will try a low quick release of some sort.

Posted: 2/7/2006 5:51:57 AM EDT

[#35]

thanks freewilly

anyone use ARMS #22 low rings?

Posted: 2/9/2006 8:00:53 PM EDT

[#36]

Speaking of IOR, I've been looking at the 3X25mm QR-TS for my 20in para. Does any one have any experience with this particular scope? Although it’s not variable, it looks like a cheaper (and relatively smaller) alternative to the Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T 1-3x14mm.

-JZ

Posted: 2/10/2006 8:22:00 PM EDT

[#37]

any experience with these guys?

riflescopes.com

usaoptics.net

csgunworks.com

IS #1 also SWAF? If not I have not used them but I have SWAF with Super Snipers and great service.

#3 I bought my NightForce scope from and also some other things..My NF came with a set of Badger rings...Great service and good prices.

Posted: 2/13/2006 6:57:02 AM EDT

[#38]

would it be possible to mount a killflash device on it?

Posted: 2/13/2006 7:07:58 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
would it be possible to mount a killflash device on it?

If you find one for the M1/M2, please let me know. I have looked high and low with no success.

Posted: 2/14/2006 12:29:04 PM EDT

[#40]

Do these things gather enough light to be useful outside of good daylight. Dawn/Dusk?

Posted: 2/15/2006 5:38:08 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
Quoted:
would it be possible to mount a killflash device on it?

If you find one for the M1/M2, please let me know. I have looked high and low with no success.

@ RAF: I've posted this question on the Optics, Mounts, and Sights forum... take a look

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=268878
matthewdanger is going to post pics as soon as possible

Frens

Posted: 2/15/2006 8:50:46 AM EDT

[#42]

Very clever of him. I'll use that idea!

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