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Posted: 6/13/2021 1:31:39 AM EDT
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Not fixed at all regarding parts like triggers, accessories like scopes, or even barrells or the upper. I believe you are supposed to be able to restore it to the length and caliber in the registration or notify the ATF of the new length and/or caliper.
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Posted: 6/13/2021 1:32:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not fixed at all regarding parts like triggers, accessories like scopes, or even barrells or the upper. I believe you are supposed to be able to restore it to the length and caliber in the registration or notify the NRA of the new length and/or caliper. Put the bottle down and go to bed. |
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Posted: 6/13/2021 1:54:57 AM EDT
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I'm aware you can amend the form 1 to add calibers so you can swap uppers, I was just curious if any other changes, like those mentioned, would also require some form of gubmint permission first.
I haven't decided for sure yet, but thinking since I just ordered a suppressor for it (form 3 was approved so it's on its way from the place I ordered it to my FFL/SOT in my state), won't do form 4/prints, etc until it arrives....but I figure if I am going to "be on uncle sam's register" for that, might as well go all the way, form 1 it as an SBR and not worry about the whole dang pistol brace BS, especially if I'm free to ad, remove, change accessories at will. I have no plans to move from this state (or this house) ever, so not concerned about the crossing state lines stuff either. |
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Posted: 6/13/2021 3:11:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm aware you can amend the form 1 to add calibers so you can swap uppers, I was just curious if any other changes, like those mentioned, would also require some form of gubmint permission first. I haven't decided for sure yet, but thinking since I just ordered a suppressor for it (form 3 was approved so it's on its way from the place I ordered it to my FFL/SOT in my state), won't do form 4/prints, etc until it arrives....but I figure if I am going to "be on uncle sam's register" for that, might as well go all the way, form 1 it as an SBR and not worry about the whole dang pistol brace BS, especially if I'm free to ad, remove, change accessories at will. I have no plans to move from this state (or this house) ever, so not concerned about the crossing state lines stuff either. yes, once an sbr, you are free to have fun with accessories and stocks. |
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Posted: 6/13/2021 7:19:53 AM EDT
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Do you ask permission to add accessories to your non-SBR rifles?
Same logic applies here |
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Posted: 6/13/2021 7:33:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Caliber- put multi yes, once an sbr, you are free to have fun with accessories and stocks. Is the ATF now allowing “multi” for Form 1’s.? They used to reject those a few years back. |
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Posted: 6/13/2021 8:16:29 AM EDT
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After a few examiners typed in all the calibers they figured out multi was easier
 . Also manufacturers lowers were marked with it they once made me send a pic  to prove it so who knows what they wnt this week
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Posted: 6/13/2021 10:49:16 AM EDT
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I hadn’t heard that you can put multi anymore either. Can someone verify that it’s back?
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Posted: 6/13/2021 2:23:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you ask permission to add accessories to your non-SBR rifles? Same logic applies here No, and common sense would tell you the same applies to SBR's...but an SBR is an NFA item and we're talking the ATF here. I don't take anything for granted with those yahoos. |
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Posted: 6/14/2021 1:54:47 AM EDT
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You are supposed to make (build) the SBR in the configuration you submit.
After that you can modify the SBR as you want (short of drilling any 3rd holes, state laws, or replacing the part that you marked, if you DIDNT mark the receiver). They "request" you update them if you make a permanent configuration change (caliber, barrel length, OAL) but it is not "required". |
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Posted: 6/14/2021 10:50:25 AM EDT
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SBR are unique among NFA items in that they are only an NFA item when configured as a SBR. Even when you “remove“ an SBR from the NFA, the registry entry remains with a note.
You need to be truthful on the tax form, but once approved you have leeway to modify your property. You don’t need to amend anything to swap uppers. With a modular design such as an AR-15 length and caliber changes aren’t permanent, so notification isn’t even useful in most cases. The most probable time the configuration description can cause an issue is on a subsequent transfer shoukd the new form not match what is in the registry. This just delays approval and requires either a new Form matching the registry, or a letter prior to sale, updating the registry. People don’t sell SBRs often, but if you ever do it’s easiest to just return to registered configuration. |
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Posted: 6/14/2021 12:45:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hadn't heard that you can put multi anymore either. Can someone verify that it's back? Quote HistoryQuoted: I hadn't heard that you can put multi anymore either. Can someone verify that it's back? Do not list multi. List the actual caliber it will be. You may only list one. Once it's made, you can change the caliber and lengths whenever you like. Quoted: SBR are unique among NFA items in that they are only an NFA item when configured as a SBR. Even when you "remove" an SBR from the NFA, the registry entry remains with a note. You need to be truthful on the tax form, but once approved you have leeway to modify your property. You don't need to amend anything to swap uppers. With a modular design such as an AR-15 length and caliber changes aren't permanent, so notification isn't even useful in most cases. The most probable time the configuration description can cause an issue is on a subsequent transfer shoukd the new form not match what is in the registry. This just delays approval and requires either a new Form matching the registry, or a letter prior to sale, updating the registry. People don't sell SBRs often, but if you ever do it's easiest to just return to registered configuration. It only matters when/if you transfer it. Either keep enough parts to match the configuration listed on the last form ATF approved (and return it to that matching config prior to the transfer), or send ATF a note updating the present configuration in the registry prior to initiating a transfer, listing the new/current data. (That's what @Marquar was saying, so stop making fun of him guys.  )If you're keeping it forever then you won't have to do anything. |
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Posted: 6/15/2021 9:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, same as SBS, and AOWs made from handguns. Or large-bore destructive devices. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 1:48:25 PM EDT
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I just started the process to make a title 1 AR pistol into a title 2 sbr, getting my trust notarized today.
Once approved then I can put a stock, vertical grip and magnified rifle scope on it and swap around accessories as I choose. I can also strip it all off back to a pistol non-sbr configuration and treat it as a title 1 pistol again. Went pistol to sbr route so I can switch back and forth between a suppressed 300 blackout pistol and a 6.5 grendel sbr hunting rifle. |
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Posted: 8/3/2021 3:10:50 PM EDT
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Can you efile a form 1 as an individual?
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Posted: 8/3/2021 3:25:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you efile a form 1 as an individual? Yep. Pretty easy. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 11:42:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Pretty easy. Yep and in 22 days. Ask me how I know. I just sent another one off, lets see if its faster. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 12:06:44 PM EDT
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I change my SBR's all the time and I don't notify the ATF. No requirement to do so....
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Posted: 9/28/2021 1:22:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SBR are unique among NFA items in that they are only an NFA item when configured as a SBR. Even when you “remove“ an SBR from the NFA, the registry entry remains with a note. SBRs are not unique. All NFA items are categorized based on configuration, except for machine guns. Machine guns are unique in that they are always machine guns, regardless of configuration. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 2:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SBRs are not unique. All NFA items are categorized based on configuration, except for machine guns. Machine guns are unique in that they are always machine guns, regardless of configuration. Silencers are always silencers. But you're correct in that SBRs, SBSes, AOWs and DDs can be modified to where they're still functional title I firearms but no longer title II. |
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