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Posted: 10/3/2018 10:52:38 PM EDT
[#1]
Dang, I like it.
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Posted: 10/4/2018 5:24:03 PM EDT
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I hate to be a party pooper but. I think your fine exchanging one approved brace for another approved brace. I'm thinking the cheek riser is problematic as someone might interpret it as intent to make a shoulder stock.
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Posted: 10/4/2018 7:34:58 PM EDT
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... I think your fine exchanging one approved brace for another approved brace. I'm thinking the cheek riser is problematic as someone might interpret it as intent to make a shoulder stock. The cheek riser's sole purpose is to give operators the option to elevate their LOS. It's not illegal to rest your cheek on a pistol brace. Resting your cheek on the brace creates another point of pistol stabilization, which should aid and/or enhance accuracy. Resting your cheek on a pistol brace does not convert said pistol brace to a stock. The ATF has ruled that it's not illegal to shoulder a pistol brace. This is my interpretation. I like beer. |
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Posted: 10/4/2018 7:39:24 PM EDT
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I hate to be a party pooper but. I think your fine exchanging one approved brace for another approved brace. I'm thinking the cheek riser is problematic as someone might interpret it as intent to make a shoulder stock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I hate to be a party pooper but. I think your fine exchanging one approved brace for another approved brace. I'm thinking the cheek riser is problematic as someone might interpret it as intent to make a shoulder stock. If, however, the shooter/possessor takes affirmative steps to configure the device for use as a shoulder-stock...and then in fact shoots the firearm from the shoulder using the accessory as a shoulder stock, that person has objectively “redesigned” the firearm for the purposes of the NFA. As you said, CAA doesn't offer a cheek riser for the brace, there's probably a reason for that. Quoted:
Hello, shotar and Thank You for your input. Here's my take on the cheek riser. The cheek riser's sole purpose is to give operators the option to elevate their LOS. It's not illegal to rest your cheek on a pistol brace. Resting your cheek on the brace creates another point of pistol stabilization, which should aid and/or enhance accuracy. Resting your cheek on a pistol brace does not convert said pistol brace to a stock. The ATF has ruled that it's not illegal to shoulder a pistol brace. This is my interpretation. I like beer. It IS illegal to modify the brace to make it "more" of a shoulder stock. It's illegal to shoulder a brace if you've removed the strap (if it has one), I can't imagine the ATF would look kindly of adding things to facilitate using it when shouldered, especially when those things don't also have any reasonable use when using it as a brace. |
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Posted: 10/4/2018 7:50:58 PM EDT
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Cheek Rests designed, manufactured, marketed and sold specifically for use with pistol buffer tubes have been available for many, many years. The subject cheek rests do not convert a pistol buffer tube into a stock.
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Posted: 10/4/2018 7:56:07 PM EDT
[#6]
The 24 dollar question is what kind of accuracy do you get with it?
Red |
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Posted: 10/4/2018 7:57:39 PM EDT
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Cheek Rests designed, manufactured, marketed and sold specifically for use with pistol buffer tubes have been available for many, many years. The subject cheek rests do not convert a pistol buffer tube into a stock. |
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Posted: 10/4/2018 8:02:10 PM EDT
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The 24 dollar question is what kind of accuracy do you get with it? Red |
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Posted: 10/4/2018 8:27:15 PM EDT
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Cheek Rests designed, manufactured, marketed and sold specifically for use with pistol buffer tubes have been available for many, many years. The subject cheek rests do not convert a pistol buffer tube into a stock. You're obviously convinced you're right though so there's no point discussing it. Good luck if you ever have to prove it to the ATF. |
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Posted: 10/4/2018 9:55:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's nice but you're not adding a cheek riser to a buffer tube, you're modifying a brace which the ATF clearly says is a no-no. You're obviously convinced you're right though so there's no point discussing it. Good luck if you ever have to prove it to the ATF. Hypothetically, would wrapping a piece of foam (for to use as a cheek rest/riser) on the extended arm of the brace constitute a redesign of the brace, which would categorize it a Stock ..? Is this your interpretation? |
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Posted: 10/4/2018 11:02:01 PM EDT
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I'm disappointed that a thread on "Roni Mods" didn't include opening up the front.
It's absolutely stupid that they did not make this gizmo suppressor compatible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's illegal to shoulder a brace if you've removed the strap (if it has one)... |
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Posted: 10/4/2018 11:09:04 PM EDT
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I'm disappointed that a thread on "Roni Mods" didn't include opening up the front. It's absolutely stupid that they did not make this gizmo suppressor compatible. Is that true, or did you make it up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm disappointed that a thread on "Roni Mods" didn't include opening up the front. It's absolutely stupid that they did not make this gizmo suppressor compatible. Quoted:
It's illegal to shoulder a brace if you've removed the strap (if it has one)... AzAgLover is correct. Removing the strap on a pistol brace that was designed with a strap, is a big no-no. |
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Posted: 10/6/2018 10:57:15 AM EDT
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A few more items were delivered yesterday and the Slide Release Button was removed. Removal and smoothing took about 30 minutes.
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Posted: 10/6/2018 11:02:21 AM EDT
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I like it OP. Looks fantastic! Lets see it with the G19 inserted.
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Posted: 10/6/2018 11:17:57 AM EDT
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I like it OP. Looks fantastic! Lets see it with the G19 inserted. Going to a few shops today. Undecided if I should go with a Gen3 or 4. Leaning toward the Gen3. |
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Posted: 10/6/2018 12:51:09 PM EDT
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I'm disappointed that a thread on "Roni Mods" didn't include opening up the front. It's absolutely stupid that they did not make this gizmo suppressor compatible. Is that true, or did you make it up? |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 11:30:32 PM EDT
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Any news? A G45 would be perfect for this. ;)
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Posted: 10/27/2018 1:41:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryJust made up nonsense by the same guys who were shouting "CHEEK THE BRACE!" down the firing line a couple years ago. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 1:21:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2018 3:19:43 PM EDT
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Wow. So atf tried to pinch the guy for resting his cheek in the arm of the brace and also for having a angle grip on the pistol??
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Posted: 10/31/2018 12:01:03 PM EDT
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Wow. So atf tried to pinch the guy for resting his cheek in the arm of the brace and also for having a angle grip on the pistol?? |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 1:40:20 PM EDT
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he modified the brace. He didn't modify the brace. Read it again. The brace itself was a modification. The government position was, "tell me his weapon is either a rifle with a short barrel or tell me his weapon is a pistol with a foregrip... then convict on either." Anyone can remove the strap from their brace if they want (not sure why they would want), and plenty of braces don't come with any velcro. Internet people tell this lie all the time. They also used to lie about braces that fold. Many, too, lied about braces that slide. It's the exact same group of fools that "would definitely spend $200 on a CLASS-3-LICENSE if it didn't give the ATF the special right to inspect your home without a warrant at any time..." Keep telling each other lies. I'll keep blazing. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 2:05:52 PM EDT
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Cheek Rests designed, manufactured, marketed and sold specifically for use with pistol buffer tubes have been available for many, many years. The subject cheek rests do not convert a pistol buffer tube into a stock. But go right ahead. Put up your check book to prove the Govt wrong. IMO.. make no changes to braces and only use braces with approval letters and on specified firearms as listed from the manufacturer. They are looking for people pushing the envelope further into the grey areas.. Potentially loosing your firearms rights for the rest of your life and the $100k price tag is a hell of a way to poke the Bear ! Carry on. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 2:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. He didn't modify the brace. Read it again. The brace itself was a modification. The government position was, "tell me his weapon is either a rifle with a short barrel or tell me his weapon is a pistol with a foregrip... then convict on either." Anyone can remove the strap from their brace if they want (not sure why they would want), and plenty of braces don't come with any velcro. Internet people tell this lie all the time. They also used to lie about braces that fold. Many, too, lied about braces that slide. It's the exact same group of fools that "would definitely spend $200 on a CLASS-3-LICENSE if it didn't give the ATF the special right to inspect your home without a warrant at any time..." Keep telling each other lies. I'll keep blazing. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 2:19:54 PM EDT
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My understanding of it was the addition of the rubber pad at the end of the brace that caused the problem..... I try to keep track of the liars... and the same ones keep popping up. It's almost like they're trying to promote a climate of fear... scaring people into not exercising their rights... Curious... QUITE CURIOUS, INDEED! "...the primary issue in dispute at trial will be whether or not Kelland Wright’s firearm meets the definition of a “rifle,” that is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder, see 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a). Part of this issue will center on the implications modifications that Kelland Wright made or had made to the firearm, including the addition of an extension piece to the rear of the firearm." The brace is the "extension piece" referenced. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 2:43:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you post a source for where you got that? I try to keep track of the liars... and the same ones keep popping up. It's almost like they're trying to promote a climate of fear... scaring people into not exercising their rights... Curious... QUITE CURIOUS, INDEED! "...the primary issue in dispute at trial will be whether or not Kelland Wright’s firearm meets the definition of a “rifle,” that is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder, see 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a). Part of this issue will center on the implications modifications that Kelland Wright made or had made to the firearm, including the addition of an extension piece to the rear of the firearm." The brace is the "extension piece" referenced. Vasquez Expert Report  Attached FileJust to be clear....I don't agree with the ATF's position on this at all! |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 2:50:57 PM EDT
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There was a picture of the gun in the big GD thread... I stand corrected. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 5:29:38 PM EDT
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There was a picture of the gun in the big GD thread and it's referenced in the "Vasquez Expert Report" that Nolo posted a link to. The guy added a rubber cane tip to the end of the buffer tube....he claimed it was for keeping his gun setting straight in the safe, the ATF said it was to make the brace act like a stock. Vasquez Expert Report https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123552/maximpdw_PNG-721064.png Just to be clear....I don't agree with the ATF's position on this at all! |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 12:24:50 AM EDT
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I'm disappointed that a thread on "Roni Mods" didn't include opening up the front. It's absolutely stupid that they did not make this gizmo suppressor compatible. Is that true, or did you make it up? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 10:04:33 AM EDT
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There was a picture of the gun in the big GD thread and it's referenced in the "Vasquez Expert Report" that Nolo posted a link to. The guy added a rubber cane tip to the end of the buffer tube....he claimed it was for keeping his gun setting straight in the safe, the ATF said it was to make the brace act like a stock. Vasquez Expert Report https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123552/maximpdw_PNG-721064.png Just to be clear....I don't agree with the ATF's position on this at all! ROCK6 |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 11:19:32 AM EDT
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It really doesn't matter what you do along the supposedly gray-lines of legality...if they want to indict you they will and they have the power to withhold info, hid info, lie, trap, and ignore factual information. ROCK6 There is no legal-gray-area with regards to removing the velcro or adding a rubber plug. It's all just fine. The merchants of lies within our own community are logged on here pumping made up nonsense to promote a climate of terror among the citizens. It's a play designed to deter you from exercising your rights. Don't let them win, and don't hesitate to call them what they are- liars. The reality is not "Remove the velcro? Whoa, buddy... is that worth a trip to jail plus many thousands?" it's "Go through the door to capture and detain... a plug-placer? Hey boss, is that really worth the risk?" |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 4:02:41 PM EDT
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Well the gun show is finally in town so I’m headed there with the hope to find a nib Gen3/G19. If I’m SOL, I’ll look for a Gen4. They should be in abundance. Afterwards, straight to the indoor range.
Expect a report with photos later this evening.. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 9:58:21 PM EDT
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Mission accomplished. I found and bought what was the only Gen3/G19 left in the entire building. I also picked up a box of cheap Blazer ammo. From the show I drove straight to the range and after dialing in the red dot I shot the following groups.
I had absolutely no issues at the range. The G19 performed flawlessly with the micro Roni. I was extremely impressed with the soft recoil. There was virtually no muzzle flip. The first photo shows the target with a 10 shot group. The second photo with the same target showing a 20 shot grouping. The third photo with a 30 shot grouping. The target was placed at a distance of about 50ft.    So far I’m very impressed with the Micro Roni and very happy with my purchase and results. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 12:00:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2018 3:46:04 PM EDT
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Took out the Canon for a few glamour shots. I'm off to the range this afternoon... |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 3:55:00 PM EDT
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Mission accomplished. I found and bought what was the only Gen3/G19 left in the entire building. I also picked up a box of cheap Blazer ammo. From the show I drove straight to the range and after dialing in the red dot I shot the following groups. I had absolutely no issues at the range. The G19 performed flawlessly with the micro Roni. I was extremely impressed with the soft recoil. There was virtually no muzzle flip. The first photo shows the target with a 10 shot group. The second photo with the same target showing a 20 shot grouping. The third photo with a 30 shot grouping. The target was placed at a distance of about 50ft. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/RONI/F2F8E6D9-238A-40AC-AE93-04EE7BCDA863_zpsm86oysrb.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/RONI/E5327481-35CF-4F09-A373-50EC7AA0A63F_zpscvwxo7ar.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/RONI/177599AC-BC21-4752-9487-296B5A6A11A8_zpshqr8xq7j.jpg So far I'm very impressed with the Micro Roni and very happy with my purchase and results. Looks like a serious accuracy upgrade |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 4:37:01 PM EDT
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@LOS .. Does the zero change when your pistol has been removed and reinstalled? Guess I better get out from under the rock
I've been living under because I haven't seen anything like that before. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 8:06:59 PM EDT
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@LOS .. Does the zero change when your pistol has been removed and reinstalled? Guess I better get out from under the rock I've been living under because I haven't seen anything like that before. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 8:09:01 PM EDT
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nice shooting! Looks like a serious accuracy upgrade |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:11:12 PM EDT
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Thank you. The Roni really brings out the best of my 19. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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nice shooting! Looks like a serious accuracy upgrade 
You guys are going to make me get a 17 just for the Roni. And I'm increasingly ok with that. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:17:24 PM EDT
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This photo shows a cluster of 20 rounds fired with the Roni after the pistol was fired solo. As everyone can see, the Glock held perfect zero from my first outing last week. We shot 150 rounds (Remington) today for a current total of 200 rounds with this set up without issue.
Todays Remington ammo seemed to have a a little more felt recoil than the 50 rounds of Blazer I shot last week. Still extremely manageable with the Roni. I jerked the damn first shot hitting just outside bullseye. After calming down and rearranging my panties, I shot a little better. I’m really diggin the Roni..! 
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:49:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... You guys are going to make me get a 17 just for the Roni. And I'm increasingly ok with that. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:55:26 PM EDT
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Go for it. I can only imagine the accuracy you'll get from the longer barrel. You won't be disappointed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: ... You guys are going to make me get a 17 just for the Roni. And I'm increasingly ok with that.
Also the Roni is illegal in CA because it's a "barrel shroud" and turns the Glock into an "assault pistol" but that won't be an issue anymore in a few months |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 10:03:27 PM EDT
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Gotta save up more money, being all responsible and shit
Also the Roni is illegal in CA because it's a "barrel shroud" and turns the Glock into an "assault pistol" but that won't be an issue anymore in a few months Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: ... You guys are going to make me get a 17 just for the Roni. And I'm increasingly ok with that.
Also the Roni is illegal in CA because it's a "barrel shroud" and turns the Glock into an "assault pistol" but that won't be an issue anymore in a few months |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 6:03:08 AM EDT
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OP Great Work! I kind of liked the RONI but not the braced one they offer, Yours looks soo much better!!!!
Now I may want one -but I have a question Do RONIs work with Polymer 80 framed 19/23 builds? Mine is a stock Glock 23 parts kit on a P80 frame - Any reason why the RONI won't work? Again great work - much improved over factory! |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 11:03:07 AM EDT
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OP Great Work! I kind of liked the RONI but not the braced one they offer, Yours looks soo much better!!!! Now I may want one -but I have a question Do RONIs work with Polymer 80 framed 19/23 builds? Mine is a stock Glock 23 parts kit on a P80 frame - Any reason why the RONI won't work? Again great work - much improved over factory! |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:11:01 AM EDT
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So I'm pondering the idea of Cerakoting the little sumbish....
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:18:35 AM EDT
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I have a bunch of 33 rounders that this would be perfect for.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:36:44 AM EDT
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OP, instead of building up the brace so you have a better cheekweld, why not just lower the optic?
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:45:26 AM EDT
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OP, instead of building up the brace so you have a better cheekweld, why not just lower the optic? |
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