Has there ever been an integrally suppressed lever gun?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Has there ever been an integrally suppressed lever gun?

Posted: 8/4/2017 8:31:13 PM EDT

Just poking around on the interwebs and looking at suppressed guns. I started to wonder if anyone has ever taken on the challenge to make an integrally suppressed lever gun that would allow a full length magazine tube?

Posted: 8/4/2017 8:59:16 PM EDT

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Dr. Strangelove, 1964, one world's fair a picnic and a rodeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJjMPHhuoXQ

j/k!! I'm having fun with you because you won my KRaZiEst question of the day award.

I've been to gunshows in the MidWest to the California since the mid-80's. Been to out-of-the-way gunshops in small towns. Seen rack fulls of lever actions in rural pawnshops.
In all that time, I've never even hear anyone talk about silencers and lever action rifles in the same sentence. I've never seen anyone even thread the barrel of a lever action for a compensator.

If you want to ask around on your own, I'd say that if there was any group of guys that would know about unusual lever guns, it would be the group over at Paco Kelly's Leverguns
Their motto: Can you trust a man that calls himself a rifleman but does not own at least one levergun?

Posted: 8/4/2017 9:19:09 PM EDT

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJjMPHhuoXQ
j/k!! I'm having fun with you because you won my KRaZiEst question of the day award.

I've been to gunshows in the MidWest to the California since the mid-80's. Been to out-of-the-way gunshops in small towns. Seen rack fulls of lever actions in rural pawnshops.
In all that time, I've never even hear anyone talk about silencers and lever action rifles in the same sentence. I've never seen anyone even thread the barrel of a lever action for a compensator.

If you want to ask around on your own, I'd say that if there was any group of guys that would know about unusual lever guns, it would be the group over at Paco Kelly's Leverguns
Their motto: Can you trust a man that calls himself a rifleman but does not own at least one levergun?

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Bro you need to get out from under that rock.

Posted: 8/4/2017 9:48:17 PM EDT

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Let me enlighten you some then.

Posted: 8/4/2017 10:01:53 PM EDT

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Integrally suppressed would be neat.

Imagine a Silencer Co. Osprey that essentially starts at the lever guns receiver and continues to the full length of the barrel.

Again, it would be neat!

Posted: 8/4/2017 10:04:27 PM EDT

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Let me enlighten you some then.

http://www.marlinforum.com/images/8/8/3/336-marlin-in-35-rem-with-a-suppressor-139.jpg
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/attachments/f15/60465d1481247801-what-would-your-ultimate-bush-pig-rifle-build-what-nz-gunsmith-would-you-use-1894-suppressed-sbr_zps0vwk5ptg.jpg
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.j1_fRCrtl94GXfr2ODcQOgEsCo&pid=15.1&P=0&w=324&h=183

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Recusance, I've got to wonder why you asked the question if you already knew the answer?

Posted: 8/4/2017 10:43:23 PM EDT

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Those aren't integral.

Posted: 8/4/2017 10:47:15 PM EDT

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Recusance, I've got to wonder why you asked the question if you already knew the answer?

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Well, those are NOT integrally suppressed so my question STILL stands.

Posted: 8/4/2017 11:10:36 PM EDT

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I have a 1 year old form 1 for a 15 inch silencer and a rossi92 to build it on, haven't had time to do it yet.

I'm torn between putting the mag tube inside a 2 inch OD silencer or making the silencer around 1.5in with the mag tube outside. I made a bent mag tube that feeds fine and will hang underneath a 2inch OD silencer.

I wanted the full capacity otherwise a bolt action would be easier if you only want 3-5 round capacity. A 16 inch mag tube will get you around 9 rounds of 38/44 special ammo, 18inch will hold 10-11 rounds.

Posted: 8/4/2017 11:33:19 PM EDT

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Those aren't integral.

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Yup, none of those pictured are integrally suppressed.

Posted: 8/5/2017 12:02:35 AM EDT

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Nope, mag tube gets in the way... But you can suppress a lever gun, no problem there, as seen in the above pics.

Posted: 8/5/2017 12:06:03 AM EDT

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Nope, mag tube gets in the way... But you can suppress a lever gun, no problem there, as seen in the above pics.

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Just integrally suppress a Savage 99 or Winchester 1895.

Posted: 8/5/2017 12:08:39 AM EDT

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Posted: 8/5/2017 10:07:45 AM EDT

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Nope, mag tube gets in the way... But you can suppress a lever gun, no problem there, as seen in the above pics.

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Mag tube inside the suppressor would be the ticket.

All it would require is a little imagination and someone handy with metal working tools.

I have the imagination, I just don't have the equipment.

Posted: 8/5/2017 10:59:47 AM EDT

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That mag tube would get hot fast.

What temp to cook off?

Posted: 8/5/2017 12:13:42 PM EDT

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Teddy Roosevelt's 30-30
Not integral, but cool.

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Posted: 8/5/2017 4:32:31 PM EDT

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That mag tube would get hot fast.

What temp to cook off?

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And this is probably why it is not already being done.

Posted: 8/5/2017 10:07:04 PM EDT

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And this is probably why it is not already being done.

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At slow fire, it wouldn't be any where near temp to cook off. Were not talking a semi-auto with 30 rounds, it's a 9 round lever gun that would at best fire 9 rounds in 30 seconds.

Posted: 8/17/2017 3:13:08 PM EDT

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The only way I see to do it would be to use an 1895 winchester. I could see a fun little package using a strait walled cartridge shooting a 500-600 grain bullet at subsonic speeds suppressed.

Posted: 8/17/2017 6:38:02 PM EDT

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Just integrally suppress a Savage 99 or Winchester 1895.

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The new Henry long ranger also. Fit a barrel to make the 223 rifle shoot 300blackout. The 308 bolt face could be rebarreled to 338 federal, 358 Winchester, etc. maybe 450bushmaster even?

Posted: 8/17/2017 7:29:35 PM EDT

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Nope, mag tube gets in the way... But you can suppress a lever gun, no problem there, as seen in the above pics.

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A purpose built rifle could go a long way around that. Make the receiver taller so you locate the mag below the supressor.

Posted: 8/17/2017 7:31:45 PM EDT

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I know almost nothing of sound suppressor design but is there a reason it can't be D shaped?
The osprey has the barrel mounted off center with slab sides.

Posted: 8/23/2017 3:18:41 PM EDT

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At slow fire, it wouldn't be any where near temp to cook off. Were not talking a semi-auto with 30 rounds, it's a 9 round lever gun that would at best fire 9 rounds in 30 seconds.

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Silencers can get really hot really fast.
A .223 is too hot to touch in two or three shots. A 30-30 has more powder and would get hot just as fast, a .357 has less and might go longer.

If you're making it for yourself and can be sure that you'll only ever shoot subsonic .38s out of it, that's one thing.
If you're a manufacture, a gun that wears itself out when people abuse it by shooting too fast is cool because you can sell them another one. If it explodes and takes off their arm, that's really not cool.

Posted: 8/29/2017 10:38:22 AM EDT

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An integral suppressed 39a and would be sweet.

Posted: 8/29/2017 10:50:09 AM EDT

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I am a big fan of my Ruger 96/44 by SRT. I already had a SRT 77/44 that I upgraded to a Douglas fast twist barrel and a SOT was going out of business and listed the SRT 96/44 for sale for less than a non-suppressed 96/44. Added the Mossberg AOW in the picture to make it a package deal. Then had to go home and explain to the wife how I accidentally bought two guns......

Posted: 9/2/2017 11:03:51 AM EDT

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A box magazine lever gun would work too, if someone wanted to cut up a Winchester 88 or a Browning BLR. Or a Sako Finnwolf, although I've never actually seen a Finnwolf in person.

Ever since I heard of and finally saw Roosevelt's suppressed 94, I've wanted to replicate it.

Posted: 9/2/2017 2:29:57 PM EDT

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The problem with box magazine lever guns is they only generally hold 3-5 rounds. You can get that with a bolt action and have a more reliable gun.

The whole point of the lever action for me is to get the 10ish round capacity of straight wall large caliber ammo.

A higher capacity magazine for 77/44 would sell well I think.

Posted: 9/3/2017 10:16:27 AM EDT

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A box magazine lever gun would work too, if someone wanted to cut up a Winchester 88 or a Browning BLR. Or a Sako Finnwolf, although I've never actually seen a Finnwolf in person.

Ever since I heard of and finally saw Roosevelt's suppressed 94, I've wanted to replicate it.

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Cutting up a Winchester 88 or Sako Finwolf would be sacrilege! I'd fondled a Finwolf and own a beautiful '59 Win 88 and I believe the Win 88 is the most beautiful modern levergun every built, even better looking than the Finwolf.

My '59 Win 88 in .308 with it's beautiful stock. It's a joy to shoot and has a beautiful action and trigger for an 88:

A far more common rifle and more suitable to the idea of a suppressed barrel levergun (like the 96/44 pictured above) would be to take a Savage 99 take-down version and find a second barrel assy to modify with a suppressor barrel. That way you could have a stock 99 and with a simple barrel change, have a suppressed version.

My '49 EG version in 300 Savage. Hard to believe that it came out only 5 years after the Win '94:

However, if you want to duplicate TR's 94, just get any old '94, thread the muzzle, and slap one on.

Posted: 9/4/2017 2:27:01 PM EDT

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The take down Model 99 with a suppressed barrel/handguard is a neat idea. Would make for a nifty set if you made up a case for the receiver, regular barrel and suppressed barrel.