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Posted: 10/28/2019 1:56:18 PM EDT
[#1]
Right around 2moa on mine. One thing to keep in mind is also the skill of the shooter. A bad shot saying "My _____ gets 5moa!" may be more reflective of the shooter or conditions than the firearm.
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Posted: 10/28/2019 4:26:37 PM EDT
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Lots of posts on the net of folks getting 1.5moa too with match ammo. Hard to tell what the actual average is yet, but I wouldn't expect it to be any better than around 1.5moa with tuned load.s
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Posted: 10/29/2019 4:20:46 PM EDT
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I posted mine a while back...I think a lot of it comes down to shooter...not saying I am super awesome ninjacool...but here are my results.
Malaysian L2A2 2.2 MOA Aguila was 1.9 MOA Federal XM80 1.5 MOA Using a bi-pod, no rear bag....US Optics SR6S with JNG reticle....100 yards... Here is the link. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 4:38:04 PM EDT
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I'm loving my Tavor 7, no it's not a precision rig, but it's compact and reliable. Want a lot of firepower at close ranges, yeah this is it then.
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Posted: 11/1/2019 7:32:27 AM EDT
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This was what I was hoping to hear. I’m wondering if the reviewer was a part of the problem. It’s just disconcerting to hear that the very best group fired all day with match ammo was 3 MOA. Yikes.
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Posted: 11/1/2019 11:33:15 AM EDT
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This was what I was hoping to hear. I’m wondering if the reviewer was a part of the problem. It’s just disconcerting to hear that the very best group fired all day with match ammo was 3 MOA. Yikes. |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 3:47:25 PM EDT
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This was what I was hoping to hear. I’m wondering if the reviewer was a part of the problem. It’s just disconcerting to hear that the very best group fired all day with match ammo was 3 MOA. Yikes. When my Tavor 7 showed 1.5 MOA on a 5-shot group with XM80...that is all I needed to know how good it is... |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 3:48:05 PM EDT
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@Manticore_Arms got an ETA on the T7 buttpads yet?
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Posted: 11/2/2019 5:04:01 PM EDT
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@Manticore_Arms got an ETA on the T7 buttpads yet? Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 10:16:32 PM EDT
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My x95 is better at hitting a 8" steel plate at 300 yards than my T7. Both using non-match ammo
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Posted: 11/3/2019 5:35:44 AM EDT
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My x95 is better at hitting a 8" steel plate at 300 yards than my T7. Both using non-match ammo 
How are you as a shooter when it comes to something like .308? |
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Posted: 11/3/2019 9:46:05 AM EDT
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How are you as a shooter when it comes to something like .308? |
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Posted: 11/4/2019 9:29:48 PM EDT
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GunsAmerica reporting 3-6" groups at 100 yards for 5 shot groups, 1-3.5" 3-shot groups. See video at 14:16
https://youtu.be/as28XHwd8IE?t=856 |
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Posted: 11/4/2019 10:13:02 PM EDT
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MAC is also reporting poor accuracy. Guess it depends upon how many rounds in your group. 3 shots vs 5 shots vs 10. Anyways iwi held back release to fix the accuracy and they stated they could not fix it.
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Posted: 11/4/2019 11:05:39 PM EDT
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GunsAmerica reporting 3-6" groups at 100 yards for 5 shot groups, 1-3.5" 3-shot groups. See video at 14:16 https://youtu.be/as28XHwd8IE?t=856 |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 5:07:06 AM EDT
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Anyways iwi held back release to fix the accuracy and they stated they could not fix it. IWI doesn't really make precision guns, that's just not their thing. They make guns that go bang every time no matter what, and have combat acceptable accuracy. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 5:26:47 AM EDT
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GunsAmerica reporting 3-6" groups at 100 yards for 5 shot groups, 1-3.5" 3-shot groups. See video at 14:16 https://youtu.be/as28XHwd8IE?t=856 |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 8:30:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He says he thinks it's capable of hitting 1.5 moa with a good shooter and good ammo. He was also shooting for groups at 100yards with a red dot, so.... that's a little iffy in itself. The dot alone is bigger than 2moa at 100yards. |
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Posted: 11/5/2019 4:20:12 PM EDT
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He was using a 4.5x-14x scope, not a red dot. |
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Posted: 1/21/2020 12:00:36 AM EDT
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Well since the Tavor 7 has a 1-12 twist for its barrel, it won't shoot projectiles heavier then 150gr very well.
That would also explain the better groups with XM80 ammo over match stuff (which is almost always in the 155 to 175 grain range). Personally I think going with a 1-12 twist is a shame and a real missed opportunity. |
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Posted: 1/21/2020 11:24:18 PM EDT
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Well since the Tavor 7 has a 1-12 twist for its barrel, it won't shoot projectiles heavier then 150gr very well. That would also explain the better groups with XM80 ammo over match stuff (which is almost always in the 155 to 175 grain range). Personally I think going with a 1-12 twist is a shame and a real missed opportunity. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 12:25:40 AM EDT
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Pretty sure they looked at the SCAR when they made that choice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well since the Tavor 7 has a 1-12 twist for its barrel, it won't shoot projectiles heavier then 150gr very well. That would also explain the better groups with XM80 ammo over match stuff (which is almost always in the 155 to 175 grain range). Personally I think going with a 1-12 twist is a shame and a real missed opportunity. There are LOTS of 7.62x51 semi auto rifles that are proven "battle ready" rifles that use barrels with a 1-10 twist, which is MUCH better from an accuracy point of view. IMHO, I think IWI made a mistake on this aspect. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 9:07:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure they looked at the SCAR when they made that choice. Should they have went with 1/10...probably, maybe... to please the civilian uber commando sniper ninjas...but I shot 1.5MOA with Federal XM80 and 2.2 with L2A2...not sure you can ask for better out of a battle rifle...let alone a bullpup in .308...heck both of my LMT MWS and POF AR10 return the exact same performance with those ammos...and they have 1:10 5R rifling...at 1.5 MOA with XM80...I don't even bother spending extra money to get better groups...no need. If one wants absolute accuracy...you just have to play around with 140-155gr match bullets with 1:12...I bet the Hornady ELD series would do great...which that bullet has been proven to go out to 1000 out of a 13.5" LMT MWS... Heck, an HK G28, a purpose built DMR, doesn't even have a 1 MOA guarantee...I believe its guarantee is 1.5 MOA...using NATO standard ammo. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 3:50:00 PM EDT
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Negative...they looked at what ammo most NATO .gov agency would use in 7.62x51...NATO XM80 ball...1:12 is perfect for that and in my experience with the Tavor 7...that is true. Should they have went with 1/10...probably, maybe... to please the civilian uber commando sniper ninjas...but I shot 1.5MOA with Federal XM80 and 2.2 with L2A2...not sure you can ask for better out of a battle rifle...let alone a bullpup in .308...heck both of my LMT MWS and POF AR10 return the exact same performance with those ammos...and they have 1:10 5R rifling...at 1.5 MOA with XM80...I don't even bother spending extra money to get better groups...no need. If one wants absolute accuracy...you just have to play around with 140-155gr match bullets with 1:12...I bet the Hornady ELD series would do great...which that bullet has been proven to go out to 1000 out of a 13.5" LMT MWS... Heck, an HK G28, a purpose built DMR, doesn't even have a 1 MOA guarantee...I believe its guarantee is 1.5 MOA...using NATO standard ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Pretty sure they looked at the SCAR when they made that choice. Should they have went with 1/10...probably, maybe... to please the civilian uber commando sniper ninjas...but I shot 1.5MOA with Federal XM80 and 2.2 with L2A2...not sure you can ask for better out of a battle rifle...let alone a bullpup in .308...heck both of my LMT MWS and POF AR10 return the exact same performance with those ammos...and they have 1:10 5R rifling...at 1.5 MOA with XM80...I don't even bother spending extra money to get better groups...no need. If one wants absolute accuracy...you just have to play around with 140-155gr match bullets with 1:12...I bet the Hornady ELD series would do great...which that bullet has been proven to go out to 1000 out of a 13.5" LMT MWS... Heck, an HK G28, a purpose built DMR, doesn't even have a 1 MOA guarantee...I believe its guarantee is 1.5 MOA...using NATO standard ammo. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 12:08:30 AM EDT
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When you get into match accuracy or want match accuracy...regardless of twist rate...you have to find the one that your barrel loves the most...why I find twist rate arguments dumb...
On of the most accurate barrels I ever owned was a RRA 1:9 twist setup...it would shoot 50gr VMAX match load at .6MOA... |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 4:59:25 PM EDT
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Has anyone tried 130-135 grain bullets in the T7?
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