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Posted: 10/16/2018 12:18:02 AM EDT
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IWI reps said that they had to postpone release due to accuracy not being up to par, so they are apparently trying to make it more accurate before they release it.
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Posted: 10/16/2018 6:49:06 AM EDT
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IWI reps said that they had to postpone release due to accuracy not being up to par, so they are apparently trying to make it more accurate before they release it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 10:15:31 AM EDT
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I'd rather they wait and fix the issue than release it before it's ready.
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Posted: 10/16/2018 11:05:23 AM EDT
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As above, the barrels are heading back to the home country for accuracy issues. It sucks, but I’m glad that they identified the issue before releasing a flawed product, and that they are making the accuracy of the rifle a priority.
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Posted: 10/16/2018 12:30:49 PM EDT
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As above, the barrels are heading back to the home country for accuracy issues. It sucks, but I’m glad that they identified the issue before releasing a flawed product, and that they are making the accuracy of the rifle a priority. |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 6:02:00 PM EDT
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They need to free float the barrel. That’s the biggest issue with the x95 in accuracy I think. Mine is a 3moa gun max. Even with match ammo |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 10:26:54 PM EDT
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It’s always seemed odd to me that the X95 is noted for this, and not the Tavor. One of the bigger differences between the two is in the handguard which does make me wonder if it has to do with inconsistent handguard contact/pressure. My Tavor shoots pretty consistent. With SMKs I’d even call it an ‘accurate’ rifle, which is saying something for a combat rifle and a bullpup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They need to free float the barrel. That’s the biggest issue with the x95 in accuracy I think. Mine is a 3moa gun max. Even with match ammo |
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Posted: 1/15/2019 10:29:31 AM EDT
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It’s delayed because IWI doesn’t want to be like Desert Tech.
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Posted: 1/15/2019 10:32:30 AM EDT
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I have heard of people taking the barrel ring out of the front handguard and that helps them. Never tried it yet though |
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Posted: 1/15/2019 11:11:15 AM EDT
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They need to free float the barrel. That’s the biggest issue with the x95 in accuracy I think. Mine is a 3moa gun max. Even with match ammo |
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Posted: 1/15/2019 1:01:37 PM EDT
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I’ve thought of that, but if you take out the barrel ring, then the handguard is just supported by at the rear by one screw and the tab in the trigger guard, and it doesn’t seem to take much to deform that polymer handguard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have heard of people taking the barrel ring out of the front handguard and that helps them. Never tried it yet though 
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Posted: 1/17/2019 10:05:22 AM EDT
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Get the K&M M17S in .308
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Posted: 1/18/2019 7:36:03 PM EDT
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Hoping someone can ask IWI at SHOT this year about the 7. I've been holding off on an x95 cause I don't have anything in 308. But not sure how long I wanna wait. I wish they'd just be honest.
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Posted: 1/18/2019 8:07:56 PM EDT
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Hoping someone can ask IWI at SHOT this year about the 7. I've been holding off on an x95 cause I don't have anything in 308. But not sure how long I wanna wait. I wish they'd just be honest. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 8:23:28 PM EDT
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Hoping someone can ask IWI at SHOT this year about the 7. I've been holding off on an x95 cause I don't have anything in 308. But not sure how long I wanna wait. I wish they'd just be honest. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 6:52:12 PM EDT
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They’ve been pretty honest this whole time. They had them ready to go, but they weren’t sub-MOA so they’re back getting ready. Last word was spring. It sucks, but they’ve been night and day different in regards to how they’ve handled their release compared to...other companies. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 7:23:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they really intend them to be sub-MOA? That would be a massive surprise for a combat weapon derived mass market bullpup. I’ve heard that they want them to be combat accurate in the range of 1-2 MOA and they were running 3-4 MOA. Achieving reliable sub-MOA in a bullpup would seem to be a stretch for IWI. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 8:09:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they really intend them to be sub-MOA? That would be a massive surprise for a combat weapon derived mass market bullpup. I've heard that they want them to be combat accurate in the range of 1-2 MOA and they were running 3-4 MOA. Achieving reliable sub-MOA in a bullpup would seem to be a stretch for IWI. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 11:00:12 PM EDT
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Do they really intend them to be sub-MOA? That would be a massive surprise for a combat weapon derived mass market bullpup. I’ve heard that they want them to be combat accurate in the range of 1-2 MOA and they were running 3-4 MOA. Achieving reliable sub-MOA in a bullpup would seem to be a stretch for IWI. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They’ve been pretty honest this whole time. They had them ready to go, but they weren’t sub-MOA so they’re back getting ready. Last word was spring. It sucks, but they’ve been night and day different in regards to how they’ve handled their release compared to...other companies. I disagree that it’s a stretch for IWI. They make rifles to spec. Those specs have usually called for rack grade accuracy. I don’t fault them for meeting that spec and not exceeding it, especially if it inflated other specs like cost or weight. They’re certainly capable of greater accuracy, and have the capabilities to make very nice barrels if necessary. Their DAN rifles come to mind. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:09:53 AM EDT
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If anyone is going to see them at SHOT, do me a favor and ask if they 20in barrel Tavor 7 is still going to be a thing or not.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 8:09:35 PM EDT
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Get the K&M M17S in .308 Over the years I've just soured on bullpups altogether. Mostly due to cost vs benefit than bullpup designs themselves. I've come to the realization they just dont offer much over tried and trued designs and they cost WAY more. But if I had to go back to one it would be k&m for sure. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 11:16:14 PM EDT
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I agree with this. I've had several bullpups and the k&m was the best. Amazing trigger, lighter, simple robust design, uses many easy to obtain parts. Customer service is basically dealing with the guy directly and he is very responsive. Over the years I've just soured on bullpups altogether. Mostly due to cost vs benefit than bullpup designs themselves. I've come to the realization they just dont offer much over tried and trued designs and they cost WAY more. But if I had to go back to one it would be k&m for sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get the K&M M17S in .308 Over the years I've just soured on bullpups altogether. Mostly due to cost vs benefit than bullpup designs themselves. I've come to the realization they just dont offer much over tried and trued designs and they cost WAY more. But if I had to go back to one it would be k&m for sure. I will absolutely agree they are a diffent set of solutions to the age old problem of making a gun of a certain capability level in a smaller package, and do have their own set of quirks (or as some may say disadvantages) compared to conventional layouts. I certainly dont fault you though for thinking some of thos disadvantages outweigh the benefits. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:24:23 PM EDT
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Do you think they are intentionally deceiving or lying to you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hoping someone can ask IWI at SHOT this year about the 7. I've been holding off on an x95 cause I don't have anything in 308. But not sure how long I wanna wait. I wish they'd just be honest. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:33:41 PM EDT
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perhaps "honest" was a bit harsh but they've been radio silence from what I've seen. I know they went back because of the accuracy issues but its been silence since then. I've asking several times on various social media platforms and have heard nothing, not even an estimate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hoping someone can ask IWI at SHOT this year about the 7. I've been holding off on an x95 cause I don't have anything in 308. But not sure how long I wanna wait. I wish they'd just be honest. ETA: whatever happened to the shotgun? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:47:22 PM EDT
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IWI were not at Range Day, will go by their booth at the show tomorrow.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:32:59 AM EDT
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perhaps "honest" was a bit harsh but they've been radio silence from what I've seen. I know they went back because of the accuracy issues but its been silence since then. I've asking several times on various social media platforms and have heard nothing, not even an estimate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hoping someone can ask IWI at SHOT this year about the 7. I've been holding off on an x95 cause I don't have anything in 308. But not sure how long I wanna wait. I wish they'd just be honest. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:35:03 AM EDT
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perhaps "honest" was a bit harsh but they've been radio silence from what I've seen. I know they went back because of the accuracy issues but its been silence since then. I've asking several times on various social media platforms and have heard nothing, not even an estimate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hoping someone can ask IWI at SHOT this year about the 7. I've been holding off on an x95 cause I don't have anything in 308. But not sure how long I wanna wait. I wish they'd just be honest. What do they have to gain by giving a date? If it turns out they dont meet that date they only end up with a bunch of people on the internet bitching about hhow they missed the release date that was given... Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:10:16 PM EDT
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IWI didn't commit to a release date indicated when it was ready they would let us know.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:52:14 PM EDT
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IWI didn't commit to a release date indicated when it was ready they would let us know. |
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Posted: 1/30/2019 8:04:11 PM EDT
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IWI's interview about the Tavor 7 at SHOT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ffU5_4o3Aw TLDR: Gun was shooting 4MOA, redesigned the operating mechanism to attempt to increase accuracy to 1 MOA, no release date, price point $2100. |
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Posted: 3/2/2019 12:18:54 PM EDT
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Update on Tavor 7:
All Outdoor Article posted March 1st 2019 Update 2.28.19 We took 3 rifles out for endurance testing. Accuracy was checked at the start. 3 groups per rifle average around where we wanted it shooting off a lead sled , 168gr Gold Medal Match, Nightforce, Vortex, and Leupold scopes where used. The goal was 20K through each gun under a controlled specification. At the end of a firing iteration the rifle was cooled and the firing sequence would begin again. The Good: Accuracy was were we wanted it. Much more consistent from where we started. The rifles ran with no issues. I witness this first hand and my shoulder can speak to it. Over 3 days in cold and wet conditions I had ZERO failures. The Not so good A part was wearing abnormally which at that point we stopped to address the issue. Can’t speak to it but at this point we stopped testing. This is protocol per how testing is defined. The team from Isreal was here for the testing and will make corrections. Then we will go at it again. Closing: Here in the states I’d say I’ve got more rounds through a T7 than anyone. It’s a battle through and through. They just keep chewing up and spiting out 308. The accuracy has improved from the start. I have full faith that the engineering teams will get us right the best we can. To everyone that’s going to ask…… How does this impact my timeline? Uncertain. What is certain is we are committed to providing the best possible product we can. |
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Posted: 3/2/2019 12:44:25 PM EDT
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Update on Tavor 7: All Outdoor Article posted March 1st 2019 Update 2.28.19 We took 3 rifles out for endurance testing. Accuracy was checked at the start. 3 groups per rifle average around where we wanted it shooting off a lead sled , 168gr Gold Medal Match, Nightforce, Vortex, and Leupold scopes where used. The goal was 20K through each gun under a controlled specification. At the end of a firing iteration the rifle was cooled and the firing sequence would begin again. The Good: Accuracy was were we wanted it. Much more consistent from where we started. The rifles ran with no issues. I witness this first hand and my shoulder can speak to it. Over 3 days in cold and wet conditions I had ZERO failures. The Not so good A part was wearing abnormally which at that point we stopped to address the issue. Can’t speak to it but at this point we stopped testing. This is protocol per how testing is defined. The team from Isreal was here for the testing and will make corrections. Then we will go at it again. Closing: Here in the states I’d say I’ve got more rounds through a T7 than anyone. It’s a battle through and through. They just keep chewing up and spiting out 308. The accuracy has improved from the start. I have full faith that the engineering teams will get us right the best we can. To everyone that’s going to ask…… How does this impact my timeline? Uncertain. What is certain is we are committed to providing the best possible product we can. |
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Posted: 3/2/2019 8:40:17 PM EDT
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Update on Tavor 7: All Outdoor Article posted March 1st 2019 Update 2.28.19 We took 3 rifles out for endurance testing. Accuracy was checked at the start. 3 groups per rifle average around where we wanted it shooting off a lead sled , 168gr Gold Medal Match, Nightforce, Vortex, and Leupold scopes where used. The goal was 20K through each gun under a controlled specification. At the end of a firing iteration the rifle was cooled and the firing sequence would begin again. The Good: Accuracy was were we wanted it. Much more consistent from where we started. The rifles ran with no issues. I witness this first hand and my shoulder can speak to it. Over 3 days in cold and wet conditions I had ZERO failures. The Not so good A part was wearing abnormally which at that point we stopped to address the issue. Can’t speak to it but at this point we stopped testing. This is protocol per how testing is defined. The team from Isreal was here for the testing and will make corrections. Then we will go at it again. Closing: Here in the states I’d say I’ve got more rounds through a T7 than anyone. It’s a battle through and through. They just keep chewing up and spiting out 308. The accuracy has improved from the start. I have full faith that the engineering teams will get us right the best we can. To everyone that’s going to ask…… How does this impact my timeline? Uncertain. What is certain is we are committed to providing the best possible product we can. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 11:22:47 PM EDT
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Too bad they didn't mention what the accuracy was on these test guns.
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Posted: 3/8/2019 12:01:33 AM EDT
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Too bad they didn't mention what the accuracy was on these test guns. I hope this assumption is right. This thing is going to be awesome if it can be as reliable as an IWI but with MOA accuracy. I’m happy to see they’ve learned from the 95 and know to value precision to make it big on the US market. Whether we want to admit it or not, the vast majority of its market is primarily casual 100yd bench shooters, and if they don’t want a rifle that makes them look good WHILE looking cool, they don’t want it. ‘Combat accuracy’ is fine for a duty rifle, but is a derogatory term for many here in the current market, I’m afraid. They know that now. |
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Posted: 5/8/2019 9:33:17 PM EDT
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Just watched a video from Military Arms Channel and James from TFB TV where they were shooting a Tavor 7, wonder if it's an old model or an updated pre production model.
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Posted: 5/10/2019 7:11:05 AM EDT
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So its now almost mid May 2019, ideas on release date or just a unicorn?
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Posted: 5/10/2019 10:42:37 PM EDT
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So its now almost mid May 2019, ideas on release date or just a unicorn? |
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Posted: 5/10/2019 11:13:40 PM EDT
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When they get it right. They're probably tired of all the forum bitching about the x95's 3-4moa accuracy and are making sure it doesn't happen again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So its now almost mid May 2019, ideas on release date or just a unicorn? |
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Posted: 5/10/2019 11:48:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While the silence sucks for those who are really excited, I think it’s a better approach than feeding a hype train and stating 2 weeks indefinitely which seems to be the industry standard. |
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Posted: 5/11/2019 3:23:25 AM EDT
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Just watched a video from Military Arms Channel and James from TFB TV where they were shooting a Tavor 7, wonder if it's an old model or an updated pre production model.  New Tavor 7 vs. WWII German FG42 with James of TFBtv |
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Posted: 5/13/2019 12:04:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYes, that one.
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Posted: 6/4/2019 6:47:16 PM EDT
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According to this article, it's been on the US commercial market for 2 yrs. Go figure...
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Posted: 6/13/2019 6:22:33 PM EDT
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I wonder if this means they've resolved the 4 MOA accuracy issues...
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/06/12/idf-to-field-7-62x51mm-tavor-7-as-dmr/ |
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Posted: 6/13/2019 8:48:52 PM EDT
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Really wish we could at least get some sort of update.
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Posted: 6/26/2019 7:11:22 PM EDT
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July-August. $1680.00
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Posted: 6/26/2019 8:12:05 PM EDT
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July-August. $1680.00 |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 10:31:27 PM EDT
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July-August. $1680.00 |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 11:49:51 PM EDT
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No official launch sate has been set yet by IWI., and that price is not accurate certainly not for msrp, msrp is $2099
$1680 is way below dealer cost. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 6/27/2019 3:50:18 PM EDT
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No official launch sate has been set yet by IWI., and that price is not accurate certainly not for msrp, msrp is $2099 $1680 is way below dealer cost. Sven Manticore Arms |
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