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Posted: 7/8/2013 9:56:50 AM EDT
I am at work, so I can't offer pictures at this time but when I go to resize the 45 ACP case, the case leans a little to the right in the shell holder and hits the rim of the RCBS die. It doesn't always do this but enough that I needed to bring it to this forum. I have tried raising the arm and resizing a case while the RCBS die is loose in the head and then tightening down the set nut so that it maintains the alignment. When the case is retracted and I try another case, it still leans to the right slightly to catch the lip of the RCBS die. I then tried to tighten the center bolt on the press so that the revolving turret is seated and tight, but not so tight it wont rotate through the stations. That didn't help. Lastly, I've tried to position the metal wire (not sure what it's called) so that it helps guides the case, but if it touches the case, it makes it worse, so I backed it off. I'd say that maybe the shell plate is off but it happens on all stations of the shell plate. So maybe it's not just one location but all.
I'm sure there's a simple fix, I just don't know what. Rifle cases are not a problem because they are tapered, It's the straight cases like the 45 ACP that hit. Any ideas? I've tried to call dillon this morning but they are not picking up. Maybe holiday for them still. |
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I'd try taking the shellplate off and cleaning everything in there. Make sure there is no gunk obstructing anything.
You've got the toolhead retaining pins in correct? |
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Correct size retaining pins, and the "paper clip" indexing wire on the first station.
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I keep a small brush* on hand to remove debris from the shell holder. It happens, you need to clean it out. No problem, just do it.
* It's a cheap, 1/2" wide, natural bristle paint brush with the bristles trimmed to about 3/4" in length. The stiffer bristles make a nice little cleaning brush out of a cheap brush. |
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Yes, I do have the correct retaining pins. For the 45 ACP. It's of no concern where those pins are located on stations 2-4, It just happens in station one. I have cleaned under the shellplate. I have some easy glide compound I put under the shell plate that I use on my table saw to preserve and help things slide easy. I think this allows me to get a more secure fit of the shell plate with no play but still allow easy turning. The Paper clip indexing pin, I am not sure I am using it correctly. It is there but not touching the case, If it does touch the case, it makes the tilt to the right more pronounced. Where and how should this be placed?
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Originally Posted By Trollslayer:
I keep a small brush* on hand to remove debris from the shell holder. It happens, you need to clean it out. No problem, just do it. * It's a cheap, 1/2" wide, natural bristle paint brush with the bristles trimmed to about 3/4" in length. The stiffer bristles make a nice little cleaning brush out of a cheap brush. Use a toothbrush or AR cleaning brush. MPro-7 helps clean off build up too. Sometimes a shell plate is not machined right. It happened to me. I also have one 9mm station that I had to reduce the O.D. of the brass colored, removeable locater pins. |
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well, it did cross my mind that the shell plate was not machined correctly. I'm on hold with dillon right now. Not sure how long that will take but I'll mention a replacement if they will.
It just occurred to me that I broke my lyman decapping tool last night. Probably why it happened. the shell was off center and it tried to make a new hole. Bet it's the shell plate since it happened on two different dies. I decap with a separate head with just a stand alone decapper. In fact, I tried two different heads to see if that made a difference. Happens on both. |
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Originally Posted By delirious1:
well, it did cross my mind that the shell plate was not machined correctly. I'm on hold with dillon right now. Not sure how long that will take but I'll mention a replacement if they will. It just occurred to me that I broke my lyman decapping tool last night. Probably why it happened. the shell was off center and it tried to make a new hole. Bet it's the shell plate since it happened on two different dies. I decap with a separate head with just a stand alone decapper. In fact, I tried two different heads to see if that made a difference. Happens on both. ha, I'm also on hold with Dillon, yep I found a bad plate by making a perfectly square cross with graph paper, lay the plate on it with the center hole on an intersection, attempt to also line up all 4 stations. If it won't align, they cut it wrong. In fact i think my .45 ACP plate is a touch off too. They replaced the .223 size one for me. ETA it was the issue while trying to decap the .223rem that first clued me in that there was an issue. Right now I'm on hold trying to tear down my 550b (80's vintage with no zerks) as my left linkage arm is not free swinging. (I tore the thing down except the main linkage pivots which are pressed in) I would rather see if I can drift them out and relube as I'm sure my 1980's lube is a tad dry but I may end up having to send her back. The drag on the link is bad enough to prevent the shellplate from coming up to the correct level for the primer parts to be right. I was back tracking the primer issue which led me all the way back to the bound up left link arm. |
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
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I had the same problem with my .223 cases and it was being caused by a slight bend in the decapping die stem. Make sure it is perfectly straight.
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could be a loose shellplate, loosen the set screw in the ram, then the big shell plate bolt, turn the shell plate until it binds.
Then back off a skosh, the big shell plate bolt will turn as well. Then tighten the set screw in the ram and you're done |
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Ha! Was on hold 40 minutes and got a dillon tech on the line. Explained my problem and directed him to this website then got disconnected. So frustrating. Second 40 minute hold today!
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When the tool comes, write up a How To, there's already a place holder for it here http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=484
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There is another alignment test. Hold the operating lever parallel to the floor. Move it right & left. See if the platform moves. If a lot of movement, a rebuild is needed. So i was told by Dillon for my old RL 450 An old die may not have the bevel to help start the brass into the 45 acp carbide die. http://s338.photobucket.com/user/joe1944usa/library/Firearms%20%20and%20%20Reloading/Dillon%20RL-450%20Manual
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Originally Posted By desto:
Correct size retaining pins, and the "paper clip" indexing wire on the first station. +1 on the case retaining spring. The contact point needs to be in the case groove not the bottom of the case head. Your photo shows that it is riding to low. |
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I wish I had seen this earlier. The alignment tool is what you need. I just had to do this procedure a while back when I updated my old 550 to the 550B failsafe powder system. The tool will fix it.
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
I wish I had seen this earlier. The alignment tool is what you need. I just had to do this procedure a while back when I updated my old 550 to the 550B failsafe powder system. The tool will fix it. Yeppers. Might as well get the alignment tool and the big nail, to take the press down and realign the ram platter while you're at it. Chris |
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Thanks for the OP. answered some questions I had as well.
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Originally Posted By basicone:
Originally Posted By desto:
Correct size retaining pins, and the "paper clip" indexing wire on the first station. +1 on the case retaining spring. The contact point needs to be in the case groove not the bottom of the case head. Your photo shows that it is riding to low. +2. Exact same problem I had. Fixed it by adjusting the spring. |
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Originally Posted By bigdb1:
Originally Posted By basicone:
Originally Posted By desto:
Correct size retaining pins, and the "paper clip" indexing wire on the first station. +1 on the case retaining spring. The contact point needs to be in the case groove not the bottom of the case head. Your photo shows that it is riding to low. +2. Exact same problem I had. Fixed it by adjusting the spring. In the photo, the case retaining spring isn't touching anything. Dillon tech told me that the case spring should not touch at any point on the case. It should be backed off a hair from the shell plate and its function isn't to hold the case in place rather to help the case advance to the next station. As explained to me Dillon is sending me a kit but I don't know what I'll be getting. The tech said it a rather simple procedure |
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Easy fix, great. I used a large nail on my Dillon RL 450. Dillon would not send me the tool. They wanted to rebuild my press. The alignment fixed it. If i just knew all this before i got internet connection in 2000, i would not had to guide so many 45 ACPs into the sizing die by hand.
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If you want the info in this thread saved, you need to save a link to this thread in the tacked "Useful threads for answering questions" thread.
When you do, let me know so I can set the archive toggle. So this thread does not slip into the archives. I'm not going to host your pics on my picture server account. Not enough room. Thanks for the update to your thread.
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I posted a link there. Toggle away. Otherwise, I'm not inspired to do any more.
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Toggle set.
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Originally Posted By delirious1: I posted a link there. Toggle away. Otherwise, I'm not inspired to do any more. good write up! I have the tool but never had to use it FWIW, called Dillon about a broken stainless steel caliper case and they sent me a new one, arrived today! |
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i had the same problem with the powder die. its because the pin is not holding the shell perfectly vertical.
i solved the problem by making a small wire coil, about three turns wide, around the shaft of the pin. this holds the pin head about 1/8th of an inch higher, which allows it to rest against the side of the shell a little bit higher. it keeps the empty case perfectly vertical. i hope this helps! |
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