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I have been fooling around with frangible in .223 and you use data for a much heavier round. Like I know with the 55 grain frangible rounds I'm using you use 75 gn data.
The color doesn't matter. I think it's where they use a mixture of tin and copper to make the round. Maybe it has more tin or more copper.
Be careful about making this broad generalization by comparing bottleneck cartridges and straight wall cartridges.
Plus, I'm curious about just what you are shooting and where you got the data. I'm skeptical about your claim, and we need to understand
why the data would substitute this radically.
I don't see how I made a broad generalization about anything. I just simply stated that with the .223 that I've been loading that is how I've been doing it. Here is where I got the info and some more info on 9mm:
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And I was a little off it was to use 72 gn jacketed data when reloading 55 gn frangible rounds instead of 75gn.
I also got data off of hodgdon's site:
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If you will notice they don't exactly have 72 gn data but the data in let's say IMR 4895 for the 55gn frangible round is a max of 24.6 and for a 70gn jacketed bullet, which is lighter than 72 but close, the max with
IMR 4895 is 25 gn. So If you make a few math calculations it will work out to about the same charge weight as compared to the info I got on the first link whereby you would use 72gn jacketed data for a 55 gn frangible round.
So didn't really make a generalization at all. It's pretty much factual data.
And yes as someone stated above the frangible bullets are much larger than their counterparts by weight. So I would make a guess and say that does play a factor in coming up with the charge weight but I also think that it has to do with the fact that frangible bullets
are made of compressed tin and copper and are not near as hard as a full metal jacketed bullet with a lead core. So they can't be pushed to as high of a velocity or be under as much pressure or they will prematurely bust apart before reaching there intended target
Oh and the load that I've been using was found on hodgdon's site and is a 55gn frangible bullet in a lake city city brass case with 22gns of H335 powder and a cci #400 primer, no crimp seated at 2.190 oal.. I also have another load I"m trying with IMR 4895 24gns in a
lake city case with winchester small rifle primers seated at 2.190 and no crimp. Both are below max and seem to work great. Max for these powder with 55 gn jacketed bullets is around 1.5 - 4 gns higher depending on what load data your looking at.
As to your first link I would advise EXTREME caution about using anything on this website. They make generalized claims that are dangerous at best. Compairing frangible bullets to jacketed bullets of different weights is not wise. There are other things about this company I have some knowledge of but cannot say openly. Please use caution.