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Posted: 9/2/2014 4:33:25 PM EDT
The wait is over.
The journey home from the battlefield is a long one. The AN/PEQ-15 (ATPIAL) from Insight Technology, has been faithfully serving U.S. Warfighters as the standard issue aiming laser throughout the Global War on Terror. Seen on almost every U.S. weapon fielded since the mid 2000’s, the ATPIAL has been highly coveted by the commercial market, yet always out of reach due to government restrictions on high power infrared lasers... Until now. 
Introducing the ATPIAL-C. Forged for the Warrior, Honed in the Crucible of Combat, and Proven by Heroes, the legendary AN/PEQ-15 is now available in a civilian-legal package as the ATPIAL-C. Some history how it came to be. At the 2014 SHOT Show TNVC was approached by Insight to discuss the viability of this product in the commercial market. Both TNVC and L-3/Insight believed it would be very well received by individual civilian and law enforcement personnel. We were asked to be the exclusive launch vehicle for the ATPIAL-C and jumped at the opportunity. Presently, TNVC is the only place to get these! After all these years in combat, TNVC is extremely excited to bring the ATPIAL-C home. 
The unique aspect of the ATPIAL-C is it’s pulled right off the same military production line as its full power cousin, but with a civilian legal Class1 Infrared Laser Pointer and Illuminator. Other than the power rating, there is no difference between the ATPIAL-C and the ATPIAL. The ATPIAL-C (Advanced Target Pointer/Illuminator Aiming Laser – Commercial) is a multi-function Class1/IIIR Infrared/Visible laser from L-3/Insight Technology. It features an Infrared Laser Pointer (0.7 mW Class1), Visible Laser Pointer (4.6 mW Class 3R Red), and Infrared Laser Illuminator (3 mW Class 3R). Based on the standard issue AN/PEQ-15 (Class IIIb) for the U.S. Warfighter, the ATPIAL-C’s Class1/3R power makes it completely eye-safe and available to the general public. Class1 Infrared Laser Pointer feature a 0.7mW rating which is not restricted by the FDA. They will easily reach out to 450 yards, encompassing most target engagement ranges when paired with a night vision goggle for the civilian and law enforcement professional. Considering that Gen3 Night Vision Goggles have a maximum target identification range of 100-115 yards, the 450 yard range of the ATPIAL-C is perfect. 
The Visible and Infrared Laser Pointers are slaved so that zeroing one will zero the other in tandem. The Infrared Laser Illuminator is a true laser illuminator system, producing no bright downrange visible signature as seen in infrared LED’s. In order to stay within Class1 guidelines, the Illuminator is lower power, able to reach 150 yards and is non-adjustable. This is perfect for short to medium range engagements. Like the full power ATPIAL, the ATPIAL-C’s Infrared Illuminator can be used to wash out the bloom of the Infrared Laser Pointer at engagement distances. 
The ATPIAL-C is a low profile laser system that mounts to any standard M1913 Picatinny Rail. Its design allows it to sit lower on the rail than most other lasers, creating a “saddle bag” affect, so as not to impede the shooter’s sight picture when mounted at the 12 o’clock position. Its glass-reinforced high-strength polymer body housing is very robust and impact resistant. The unit features a simple dial selector for changing the output settings on top of the housing. Activation is achieved via the included remote pressure pad or onboard “fire” button. A rear-facing battery compartment makes changing batteries simple and convenient, even when the unit is pushed all the way forward against a standard AR Front Sight Base (by the way: you should never store your expensive night vision and lasers with the batteries installed). Windage and elevation adjustments require a small flat head screw driver and produce positive clicks. The ATPIAL-C is the closest thing an individual can get to the standard issue full power ATPIAL. 
We are currently accepting pre-orders. L-3 will be delivering the first units to our warehouse mid to late November with the next shipment in mid to late December. Shipping will be first come, first served. Pre Orders must be paid in full. Place your Pre Order before September 15 and get it for only $1,199.00. That’s a $100 savings! After that, the price is $1,299 Get Your ATPIAL-C HERE!!! Manufacturer: L3/ Insight Technology Dimensions: 4.6?(L) x 2.8?(W) x 1.6?(H) Weight: 7.5 oz. w/ Battery Power: One (1) 3V DL123A Battery Battery Life: >6 Hours in Dual High Waterproof: 6 Meters for One Hour Warranty: 1 Year Warranty Infrared Laser Spec: —————————————————- IR Laser Class: Class1 IR Laser Output: 0.7 mW IR Laser Divergence: 0.5 mRad IR Laser Wavelength: 820nm – 850nm IR Laser Range: >450 Yards Visible Laser Spec: —————————————————- Visible Laser Class: IIIR Red Visible Laser Output: 4.6 mW Visible Laser Divergence: 0.5 mRad Visible Laser Wavelength: 605nm – 665nm Visible Laser Range: >25 Meters in Direct Sun IR Illuminator Specs: —————————————————- IR Illuminator Class: IIIR Infrared IR Illuminator Output: 3 mW IR Illuminator Divergence: 105 mRad IR Illuminator Wavelength: 820nm – 850nm IR Illuminator Range: >150 Yards |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 4:41:39 PM EDT
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These are the independent testing results, performed by TNVC. The purpose of this testing was to weigh the performance of the ATPIAL C in real life conditions. For the outdoor phases of this testing, the conditions were half-moon, clear skies, visible stars, and visible city lights (on the horizon) approximately ½ mile away. The furthest treeline in this image, is approximately 350 yards away, to give you some depth awareness. OUTDOOR TESTING *All photos posted below are of the ATPIAL C performing.   I know the question is going to be asked, "Is the IR illuminator visible?” The answer is, it’s just as visible on the ATPIAL C as it is on the PEQ-15. People talk about how the IR illuminators on the PEQ-15 aren’t visible. Well, I understand what they mean, however, they do put off a very faint visible red hue from the emitter itself. It’s hard to see, unless you are standing DIRECTLY in front of the unit, looking DIRECTLY into the emitter, which I DO NOT RECOMMEND. The faint red dot is hard to see and this is primarily because the emitter is recessed into the housing. The photos below, were taken with my iPhone 5, at a distance of 25 yards directly in front of the PEQ-15 and the ATPIAL C with their respective illuminators on. The top photo is the PEQ-15. Bottom photo is the ATPIAL C. Notice the faint red glow in both photos? Again this is extremely hard to see, and you have to be directly in front of the emitter. Slightly angled to the left, right, above or below, and you won’t be able to see this. I also noticed that I could never really get myself aligned to see the illuminator emission point at a distance beyond about 40 yards, and up until that point, it was extremely hard to see.   INDOOR TESTING All of these photos on the indoor test, were taken on the live fire range at Telluric Group’s training facility. This facility is optimized for low light/ no light training and the lighting can be controlled very precisely. The conditions in these photos are – no lights on whatsoever. The only visible light was the glow in the dark tape on the ranges light switch module, and the LED on the coffee machine in the classroom outside of the range, approximately 50 feet away, and on the other side of the bullet proof observation windows looking into the range. It was "can’t see my hand in front of my face” dark.  Significant amount of bloom. No more than what is standard in commercial .7 mW laser units.  The illuminator did cut down the bloom on the IR laser, however, in the photos, it looks a lot more "bloomy” than it did in real life, due to the camera interpreting the light. I took several photos and couldn’t capture the true cancellation of the laser bloom with the illuminator being used.   The built in neutral density filters into the laser covers work exactly as they are intended. Cut the bloom and give a very precise dot. Initially I had concerns that given the fact that these lasers were .7mW and not the 50mW as their restricted counterparts, I thought that the neutral density filters would cut too much of the power of the .7mW laser. I was wrong. They work perfectly. Lets take a closer look at the unit itself.   Aesthetically, you cannot tell the two apart. This is because the same internal parts, and the same exact body housings are being used for the ATPIAL C as they are on the PEQ-15. No cheap, knock off internals or sketchy mounts on this system. The ATPIAL C and the PEQ-15 are exactly the same right down to the stickers, except for the mW of the lasers being specified and the ability to adjust the IR illuminator spread.  Seeing as how the illuminator’s focus knob is locked and can’t be adjusted, we took some basic measurements of the IR illuminator in use. In this photo above, the red dashed circle is surrounding the immediate IR illuminator spread. The target, is a standard size IPSC target which is 18 inches wide. The illuminator spread is roughly 5.5 IPSC targets wide, which is approximately 8.25 feet. So at 25 yards, you have an illuminator spread of roughly 8.25 feet. With that knowledge, I think it’s safe to assume that at 50 yards, the spread will be approximately 16.5 feet, 75 yards – 24.75 feet, and so on. In my opinion, I think that is absolutely perfect for what is needed in short to medium ranges, which is truly what commercial IR laser units are designed for.  In this photo above, the red circles denote the 125 yard area where the IR illuminator is visibly lighting/illuminating. We feel that with these specific light conditions, 125 yards is going to be the max distance you can illuminate a darkened area and identify something. We also feel that 125-150 yards is the max usable distance in the darkest of outdoor conditions, for this IR illuminator. In essence, if a bad guy were hiding in that photo at 125 yards, I could have illuminated him, and determined him friend or foe. In summary, during these several months of extensive testing and evaluating the ATPIAL C, we have concluded several things. -The ATPIAL C performs EXACTLY the same as a PEQ-15 on low power setting. -Given the fact that the majority of Law Enforcement agencies use their PEQ-15’s on the low power setting due to bloom issues, the ATPIAL C is a great alternative for the commercial user, especially those that have transitioned out of active duty, where they were issued PEQ-15’s. -The IR illuminator has a maximum range of 150 yards in the darkest conditions. -Though the IR illuminator doesn’t have an adjustable beam, we think it’s actually perfect for being utilized in short to medium distances. Given the fact that positive ID through a PVS-14 or dual tube system is roughly 150 meters, the IR illuminator on the ATPIAL C fills that role quite nicely. L3/ Insight ATPIAL-C Class1/3R IR LaserIf you guys have any further questions, ask away and we will do our best to answer. We spent a significant amount of time with these units, and they certainly get our stamp of approval. This has been a long time coming, and we are glad we are finally able to bring this to light. |
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Posted: 12/2/2014 6:26:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNVC_Eric]
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We have been receiving a few phone calls about the shipping time frame of the ATPIAL-C lasers. Yesterday we were given a firm update from L3. I felt the need to address this and post it publicly, that way, everyone can be better informed and on the same page. As always, we want to give info to our customer’s and tell it like it is, as it is told to us. We were expecting to take receipt of the first batch of the ATPIAL-C mid-November. This is exactly how it was laid out to us from L3. Things happen, and there were some delays, which I was honestly expecting. Things got pushed to what we thought would be late November/ early December. I was sincerely hoping to take receipt of the first shipment this week seeing as how we have had many customers anxious to receive them. Presently, the ATPIAL-C’s are in their required final phase of testing at Insights factory. Upon completion, they will ship. The new status is, the first batch of ATPIAL-C’s are to be shipped to us directly on December 12. We understand that this is upsetting to most of our customers. Please understand, we have done everything on our side to ensure we can expedite this as much as possible. L3 is a company that prides themselves on quality products, and they have the reputation to prove it. Therefore, the testing that occurs with each and every unit before it heads out the door is something that not everyone can understand or side with. Production delays are a setback that are tricky to work around. I don’t particularly care for them, however, that’s the way quality products work sometimes, and the ATPIAL-C being a Mil-Spec product, directly produced and taken from their Mil-Spec ATPIAL PEQ-15 assembly line, it’s no surprise the extensive testing these units are undergoing. As for the second phase of the ATPIAL-C’s, they are expected to be shipped to use before the end of the year. The excitement for the release of the ATPIAL-C is astronomical, with good reason. This is an industry first, and there is nothing else like it on the market. We want to thank each and every one of our customers for their orders, and patronage. The ATPIAL-C program was made possible, not by us, not by L3/Insight, but by our loyal customers, who continue to push us to constantly change and innovate the night vision market. For the complications, and for the wait, we have decided to include a Telluric Group IR Laser Zero Target with every ATPIAL-C, when they begin shipping.  Again, we apologize for the inconvenience in the delay. We are eager to get them in our hands as well. If you guys have any questions, feel free to contact us here, via phone, email or any of our other social media avenues. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 1:22:44 PM EDT
[#3]
Mine shows up tonight!
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Posted: 1/23/2015 10:23:26 AM EDT
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The wait is over!
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Posted: 3/2/2015 11:23:59 PM EDT
[#5]
Couple of NV pics of my ATPIAL-C 850nm IR laser at 20 and 175 yards tonight:
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Posted: 3/13/2015 11:47:13 PM EDT
[#6]
The dot seems pretty big. Are the real PEQ15s that big of a dot?
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Posted: 3/15/2015 11:54:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M923GreenMachine:
The dot seems pretty big. Are the real PEQ15s that big of a dot? The real PEQ15s IR dots are much BIGGER than that is! But, the beauty of this beast is the Neutral Density Filter built into the lens cap reduces the output about 10X! 
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Posted: 12/3/2015 11:58:55 PM EDT
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Next batch due in a few weeks and only a handful of black are available next week. Next substantial order due in at Christmas. Thanks for the all the orders to date, we've gone through some extrodinary numbers.
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Posted: 12/4/2015 12:13:58 AM EDT
[#9]
Is it actually illegal for civilians to own or buy a 'military' class laser designator? Or just illegal to sell them?
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Posted: 12/4/2015 12:17:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArtBell:
Is it actually illegal for civilians to own or buy a 'military' class laser designator? Or just illegal to sell them? You may want to pose this question which has been addressed multiple times in the Lights and Lasers section and not to muddy this thread.  Thank you.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 1:53:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: demoMouse]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArtBell:
Is it actually illegal for civilians to own or buy a 'military' class laser designator? Or just illegal to sell them? Considering that non-eyesafe lasers are categorized as sensitive items by the military property system, and they are all serialized, there's pretty close to a 100% chance that if you own one (that isn't from TNVC), you own stolen military property. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 3:22:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CrazyWhiteGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By demoMouse:
Considering that non-eyesafe lasers are categorized as sensitive items by the military property system, and they are all serialized, there's pretty close to a 100% chance that if you own one (that isn't from TNVC), you own stolen military property. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By demoMouse:
Originally Posted By ArtBell:
Is it actually illegal for civilians to own or buy a 'military' class laser designator? Or just illegal to sell them? Considering that non-eyesafe lasers are categorized as sensitive items by the military property system, and they are all serialized, there's pretty close to a 100% chance that if you own one (that isn't from TNVC), you own stolen military property. Most of the out in populace ones were purchased by LEO's or LEO/MIL trainers and then re-sold. Some day I will buy one of these. |
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Posted: 7/5/2016 2:49:29 PM EDT
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More units in stock next month! We are having a hard time keeping up with demand.
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Posted: 7/7/2016 7:08:38 PM EDT
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Thanks for the Summer Sale, Vic!
I "done did it" and bought the ATPIAL-C and the PVS-14 L3 Omni VIII. Y'all shipped it next day, even though I received an email stating there was a lengthy lead time. I can't wait!
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Posted: 7/8/2016 6:59:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fireman223:
Thanks for the Summer Sale, Vic! I "done did it" and bought the ATPIAL-C and the PVS-14 L3 Omni VIII. Y'all shipped it next day, even though I received an email stating there was a lengthy lead time. I can't wait! Thanks for the kind words and order Sir! Enjoy the gear and let us know if you have any questions about the goodies. We're are educators and trainers first so don't hesitate and thank you again! Vic |
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