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Posted: 8/2/2007 10:04:20 AM EDT

Saudi Arabia just ordered 14,000 FiveSeven pistols for their military. They already had P-90's and had just purchased F-2000's as their main battle rifle.
This news is straight from FN.

Posted: 8/2/2007 12:30:40 PM EDT

[#1]

Great there have already been P90s that have shown up in the hands of insurgents in Iraq.

The middle east is like one big dumping ground for military hardware.

Posted: 8/2/2007 12:34:26 PM EDT

[#2]

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Saudi Arabia just ordered 14,000 FiveSeven pistols for their military. They already had P-90's and had just purchased F-2000's as their main battle rifle.
This news is straight from FN.

FN 5.7's coming to an insurgent near you!!

Posted: 8/2/2007 5:18:54 PM EDT

[#3]

The Saudis have been known to buy expensive equipment just because they can buy it. It has no bearing on the quality of the equipment or its effectiveness in the field. If it is expensive and looks kind of cool, they will buy it.

Posted: 8/2/2007 8:54:26 PM EDT

[#4]

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Great there have already been P90s that have shown up in the hands of insurgents in Iraq.

The middle east is like one big dumping ground for military hardware.

Along w/ M4's also,...

Posted: 8/2/2007 9:08:59 PM EDT

[#5]

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The Saudis have been known to buy expensive equipment just because they can buy it. It has no bearing on the quality of the equipment or its effectiveness in the field. If it is expensive and looks kind of cool, they will buy it.

Has a lot to do with what are called "Commissions."

Posted: 8/3/2007 1:15:20 AM EDT

[#6]

Didn't they buy a bunch of Lamborghini SUV's a while ago?

On the bright side, if they are going to buy weapons and funnel them to insurgents, I'm glad they are doing so with a caliber that is not particularly effective.

Posted: 8/3/2007 5:13:33 AM EDT

[#7]

since they're no danger to you, Mr. studly glock koolaid drinker that no 5.7mm can harm, stay the hell out of our fiveseven threads.

meanwhile, back in the real world, it is a good thing that the terrorists don't generally get inside of a few hundred meters, p90's could ruin our guys days inside 100m.

Posted: 8/3/2007 5:40:01 AM EDT

[#8]

5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

Posted: 8/3/2007 5:41:00 AM EDT

[#9]

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5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

Yes

Posted: 8/3/2007 5:48:40 AM EDT

[#10]

depends on where the hit is.

Posted: 8/3/2007 12:11:04 PM EDT

[#11]

Only with the right ammo which is regulated in sales. I wonder if FN sold SA that type of ammo

All it takes is an end-user agreement.

Posted: 8/3/2007 12:15:14 PM EDT

[#12]

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5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

No. Not the plates.

Posted: 8/3/2007 2:17:05 PM EDT

[#13]

From what I understand the Fn Range Guys hate it when these Saudi Royal Family members come to tour and test weapons as they tend to have very little in the way of range safety skills and muzzle swipe like crazy.

I guess people don't tell Royal Oil tycoons that they're acting like idiots with firearms when you're trying to get them to sign a contract worth millions.

I think the whole arms dump in the middle east is a SERIOUS mistake, but these are free companies and they have the right to sell whatever they want as long as it does not violate international law.

Posted: 8/8/2007 8:51:17 AM EDT

[#14]

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5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

BINGO

This is BULL SHIT. No-one should be trusting anyone but Israel with weapons, esspecially not Armor piercing capable HANDGUNS.

Posted: 8/8/2007 8:53:01 AM EDT

[#15]

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5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

No. Not the plates.

Doesn't matter- it's a handgun. It can be employed from point blank range- brought to bear from a concealed condition.

Posted: 8/8/2007 8:57:45 AM EDT

[#16]

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5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

No. Not the plates.

Doesn't matter- it's a handgun. It can be employed from point blank range- brought to bear from a concealed condition.

What's your point? It's a handgun. All handguns concealable, wont penetrate plates just soft armor.

Posted: 8/8/2007 9:27:51 AM EDT

[#17]

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5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

No. Not the plates.

Doesn't matter- it's a handgun. It can be employed from point blank range- brought to bear from a concealed condition.

What's your point? It's a handgun. All handguns concealable, wont penetrate plates just soft armor.

My point is, as a soldier, 9mm handguns never scared me. An Iraqi could bring one up and pop me, and I'd be killing him- not the other way around.

This 5.7, I wouldn't want to meet on the street. The Iraqis know all about our SAPI and SAPI-II plates, and where they are on the vest.

Suicidal enemy insurgents abound, and these weapons can only encourage them.

Unless you are friends with terrorists, there is no reason to be happy that non-100% anti-terror-compliant governments are procuring level IIIA armor piercing handguns.

Maybe you aren't aware, we don't condone Iraqi (civilian) ownership of handguns. This is for our protection. Not theirs.

Statistics exist that suggest half of Saudis entering Iraq are suicide bombers. That leads me to doubt that none of these weapons will be funneled through supporters of terror, into terrorist hands in Iraq.

Posted: 8/8/2007 9:49:59 AM EDT

[#18]

Sorry, I disagree. I am not friends with terrorists, and I am happy that FN is making a big sale. Good for them. Saudi has bought lots of gee whiz stuff from FN already, they bought FS2000s and P90s as well, they seem to have a good relationship. Wouldn't take it as much of an endorsement of the utility of the platform, though, Saudis have lots more money than sense when it comes to weapons buys.

Heck, I would imagine Iraqi insurgents could easily get CZ52s if they wanted to get into some tactic of popping up and penetrating vests with handguns. That argument just leads to banning FN pistols in the US for civilians because terrorists might get ahold of them.

Posted: 8/8/2007 9:50:46 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

No. Not the plates.

Doesn't matter- it's a handgun. It can be employed from point blank range- brought to bear from a concealed condition.

Kinda irrelevant, since the face isn't covered...........

Posted: 8/8/2007 10:18:11 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

No. Not the plates.

Doesn't matter- it's a handgun. It can be employed from point blank range- brought to bear from a concealed condition.

What's your point? It's a handgun. All handguns concealable, wont penetrate plates just soft armor.

My point is, as a soldier, 9mm handguns never scared me. An Iraqi could bring one up and pop me, and I'd be killing him- not the other way around.

This 5.7, I wouldn't want to meet on the street. The Iraqis know all about our SAPI and SAPI-II plates, and where they are on the vest.

Suicidal enemy insurgents abound, and these weapons can only encourage them.

Unless you are friends with terrorists, there is no reason to be happy that non-100% anti-terror-compliant governments are procuring level IIIA armor piercing handguns.

Maybe you aren't aware, we don't condone Iraqi (civilian) ownership of handguns. This is for our protection. Not theirs.

Statistics exist that suggest half of Saudis entering Iraq are suicide bombers. That leads me to doubt that none of these weapons will be funneled through supporters of terror, into terrorist hands in Iraq.

My point being, a .22 to the face will kill someone just as dead as a 5.7 to the face and as an american law enforcement officer who wears level 3a everyday(not sapi plates) 5.7AP is more a danger to me than it will be to you..

Be safe soldier, thank you for your service

Posted: 8/8/2007 8:14:57 PM EDT

[#21]

If any of you have ever watched a saudi soldier do anything you would realize how much of a non-issue this is. in between my active hitch and my reserve enlistment i took a contract job traning saudis. i was only there a few months. sorriest bunch of lazy motherfuckers youll ever see. cant shoot, cant run, no discipline. completely fucking worthless.

good for FN. i hope they had a 200% mark-up.

Posted: 8/8/2007 8:19:41 PM EDT

[#22]

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Will last year's Steyr bashers jump on the anti-FN bandwagon now?

Or will they backpedal and claim that the circumstances are different, since Saudi Arabia is our "ally" and the legions of Saudis in the Iraq insurgency are an "anomaly"?

My guess is the latter.

Frankly, I don't give a shit, just like I never gave a shit about the Steyr sale.

Well, you gotta admit the Saudi government isn't seeking nukes nor developing the capability to shut down the Straits of Hormuz.

Posted: 8/9/2007 6:50:52 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

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5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

No. Not the plates.

Doesn't matter- it's a handgun. It can be employed from point blank range- brought to bear from a concealed condition.

Kinda irrelevant, since the face isn't covered...........

Yeah right... so we should just go ahead then and make it 75% easier by supplying the region's terrorist sympathetic governments with concealable weapons that can produce kills with torso shots as well.

That argument on bans in the US is rediculous. Our customs controls and firearms registration are tight.

This is simple. Some of those guns will find their way to Iraq, and US soldiers will die to them. 100,000 weapons sold isn't worth a dead US soldier.

We're at war. We need to act like it.

Posted: 8/9/2007 6:57:37 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
5.7 will penetrate our guy's vests won't it?

No. Not the plates.

Doesn't matter- it's a handgun. It can be employed from point blank range- brought to bear from a concealed condition.

What's your point? It's a handgun. All handguns concealable, wont penetrate plates just soft armor.

My point is, as a soldier, 9mm handguns never scared me. An Iraqi could bring one up and pop me, and I'd be killing him- not the other way around.

This 5.7, I wouldn't want to meet on the street. The Iraqis know all about our SAPI and SAPI-II plates, and where they are on the vest.

Suicidal enemy insurgents abound, and these weapons can only encourage them.

Unless you are friends with terrorists, there is no reason to be happy that non-100% anti-terror-compliant governments are procuring level IIIA armor piercing handguns.

Maybe you aren't aware, we don't condone Iraqi (civilian) ownership of handguns. This is for our protection. Not theirs.

Statistics exist that suggest half of Saudis entering Iraq are suicide bombers. That leads me to doubt that none of these weapons will be funneled through supporters of terror, into terrorist hands in Iraq.

My point being, a .22 to the face will kill someone just as dead as a 5.7 to the face and as an american law enforcement officer who wears level 3a everyday(not sapi plates) 5.7AP is more a danger to me than it will be to you..

Be safe soldier, thank you for your service

That's an arguable point. To me? given. I wasn't talking about myself, but of the 150,000 troops in Iraq now. I may go later, but for now, it's their lives on the line.

From a realistic standpoint, I'll bet you understand that high-end handguns are highly unlikely to be encountered in the hands of criminals on the street in the US. They have a profile, that profile doesn't commonly buy weapons in this price bracket.

In addition, here we also have firearms freedoms to protect. Over there, this just represents a company making a irresponsible weapon sale with dissregard to our safety, for profit.

Not so long ago, we were supplying Iraq with arms. . . Now we are fighting an Iraqi terrorist enemy.

I'm pretty sure we also helped the Taliban fight the Russians. And the Vietnamese fight the North with lend lease WWII weapons.

I guess I'm just wondering when we're going to get sick of getting shot with weapons we could have kept our hands on in the first place.