Quote History Originally Posted By AknotArguy:
Thank you for all the info. Is there one setup that you could recommend that would work relatively well? I don't particularly want to spend a fortune on all of those different buffers. Like you, I would love to get it down in the 600-700 range. As far as .22 goes im still working on getting it running right unfortunately
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Have you looked at my website?
This is the main page for the AR15/M16:
https://c3junkie.com/?page_id=164The first link at the top talks about the CMMG 9mm RDB that I run in full auto. I have done a lot of testing with that. I would say that the stock recommended buffer and spring configuration is only marginally better than a well tuned straight blow back but changing to my recommended buffer tube, spring and buffer have made a world of difference. It is now MP5 smooth.
There is NO CONTROLLING THE GAS HERE - since it is NOT GAS operated. The CMMG RDB uses angles on the bolt lugs to control the delay. Initially I cut my own angles on a 5.45x39 bolt to delay the unlocking further than their 9mm bolt. Basically to make my own dedicated bolt for suppressed usage. Then they came out with a .40SW variant and found their .40SW bolt closely matched what I was doing to the 5.45x39 bolts. So it turns out that their .40SW bolt works great as a suppressed bolt in 9mm.
Picture below shows that I'm getting 622 RPM and that is using their factory unmodified 9mm bolt unsuppressed.
This is using an A5 length buffer tube, Tubb 556 flat spring and an RB5007 hydraulic buffer ------ I use this in about 95% of all of my configurations now.
I previously had everything tuned to run with a standard power 'White' Sprinco buffer spring, carbine buffer tube and H2 buffer. - I did that because that closely matches what the military uses in the MK18 and I wanted to run what is considered a standard.
Now the H2 is 4.5 oz and the RB5007 is 5.9 ounces and I thought, I really didn't want to have to adjust my gas (increase) for all my uppers now that I found the sweet spot for my delayed blowback 9mm CMMG....but to my surprise almost all of my uppers worked with no adjustment to my gas port sizes. I can't explain it but there is something the action of the hydraulic buffers where they may weigh more but you can get away with it vs a mechanical. Meaning if I used a mechanical buffer weighing the same as the RB5007 it wouldn't work but function fine with the hydraulic.
If you asked me about buffer springs 10 years ago, I would have thought the flat springs were a gimmick but now I'm a believer. I have all the data to show the results in the cyclic rates achieved. The Kynshot hydraulics work really well with a buffering effect in both directions. However, looking at my site, I have almost all the buffers they make but I really only like the RB5005 or RB5007 that have about 5lbs of compression. I think they stiffer ones are for configurations where the gas isn't tuned or scenarios where you have no gas to control like a straight blowback setup but I wouldn't run straight blowback on a transferrable M16 anyways (been there done that and egged out some hammer pin holes back in the day - never again).