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Is the 3.6" added length that's quoted based on the end of the muzzle device or a bare muzzle?
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I really question the level of suppression and the 'all titanium' construction. No blast baffle made from, uh, ANY better material? Give me two or three more ounces and a stellite baffle stack.
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So they copied AAC from 2008ish with the "Front Toward Enemy" saying....how original https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/128059/IMG-2618-224346.JPG View Quote It's called the Claymore as well. Hence the Front Toward enemy. |
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Pictures of brake: http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x420/rangerwalker71/F45926D2-FABD-4161-B38D-ECDA86500AF2.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x420/rangerwalker71/6A64A2EA-65B2-4331-84B5-F7B410B4FEE1_1.jpg The Black Suppressor is the SAS Eadrom MX. View Quote So it *appears* that it's yet another manufacturer who only counts the length the suppressor adds past the length the muzzle device already adds. If that's the case, that method of measurement is complete bullshit as usual. "Our silencer only adds two inches to the host weapon! (Because our muzzle device already added 2.5" but never mind that.) And before anyone tells me it's a reflex suppressor, I know it is. It's apparently a quiet can (I'd like independent testing of course), but I really wish manufacturers would quit the bullshit and give us total length of the silencer, length the muzzle device adds, and length the complete system adds to the bare muzzle. Otherwise, if the silencer adds 1" to a muzzle device that adds 5", those numbers do absolutely no good for us. |
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If that's the case, that method of measurement is complete bullshit as usual. "Our silencer only adds two inches to the host weapon! (Because our muzzle device already added 2.5" but never mind that.) View Quote |
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So they copied AAC from 2008ish with the "Front Toward Enemy" saying....how original https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/128059/IMG-2618-224346.JPG View Quote |
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Here are the Spec's for our test weapon.
Barrel length 17 5/16" No brake With brake 18 11/16" With suppressor on it is OAL is 22 3/8" Additional length is 5 1/16" for suppressor, and Brake. weights as well. brake 3.4ozs heat treated, Nitrided Coated, 4150 Steel. suppressor 12.2 ozs standard tomb brake for comparison 3.9 ozs Used Federal XM193 Ammo 55gr Average Chrono was 3235 FPS. Hope this makes it clear IF not feel free to call or Text me your questions. Thanks Steve RTLW |
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This looks like a really great can and the specs are impressive. The can I use the most right now is an AAC SPR/M4 and man, I love that can. There are several things I like even better about this SAS Claymore, especially the light weight.
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You can also do it in 30CAl, for those wanting a great can for 300BO or a AR10 type SPR.
will have data for the 30 cal suppressor later in the week. thanks Steve RLTW |
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Independent testing needed. To many claim numbers like that and never come out to be.
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Independent testing needed. To many claim numbers like that and never come out to be. View Quote Several publications claim to do testing and write articles about it. However they solicit funds to do it. This has happened several times with multiple publications. Those that pay get in, those that pay the most have the quietest products. Tim at SAS has a open invite to any one that wants to come do testing. He has a BK 209 meter. You can take 20-30 minutes to learn how To use the meter. Then you can verify the numbers your self. In addition you. Can learn how the numbers can be effected by not following the MilSpec standards. Thanks RLTW Steve 816-718-9489 |
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Independent testing needed. To many claim numbers like that and never come out to be. View Quote |
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The video doesn't work for me. Can you put it on Youtube or somewhere else that's more user friendly than Photobucket?
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The video doesn't work for me. Can you put it on Youtube or somewhere else that's more user friendly than Photobucket? View Quote I'll see if i can get it uploaded to Youtube as well. thanks Steve RLTW 816-718-9489 |
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The video doesn't work for me. Can you put it on Youtube or somewhere else that's more user friendly than Photobucket? View Quote youtube link to SAS Claymore |
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Here are the Spec's for our test weapon. Barrel length 17 5/16" No brake With brake 18 11/16" With suppressor on it is OAL is 22 3/8" Additional length is 5 1/16" for suppressor, and Brake. weights as well. brake 3.4ozs heat treated, Nitrided Coated, 4150 Steel. suppressor 12.2 ozs standard tomb brake for comparison 3.9 ozs Used Federal XM193 Ammo 55gr Average Chrono was 3235 FPS. Hope this makes it clear IF not feel free to call or Text me your questions. Thanks Steve RTLW View Quote ~5.0625" added and 15.6 ounces is very good. For comparison's sake, that's about 0.7" shorter than a Recce 5 (added length) and about 0.1 ounces heavier (system weight). |
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What mic location was used for metering? View Quote The MIL-STD-1474D is the standard military test to measure potential hearing damage from noise. This is the industry-accepted standard for testing silencers, too. It states that a sound meter is to be placed one meter to the left and level with the muzzle, with the microphone oriented in an upward position. The meter is placed 1.6 meters off the ground. The sound meter that we use is a Bruel & Kjaer 2209 and has been verified by B&K to accurately measure peak sound levels for firearms. There has been debate between silencer companies as to whether the location of the microphone changes when a silencer is added to the firearm. Since the muzzle remains in the same location and doesn’t move, some companies test at this location. Others have said that the addition of a silencer changes the muzzle to be the end of the silencer. In our tests, we have placed the sound meter both at the end of the silencer and at the muzzle of the gun with the silencer attached. Depending on conditions and calibers, we have observed a minimal decibel change. Since individual shots can vary in that range, the difference in testing is insignificant. Therefore, we have moved from testing at the end of the silencer to testing at the muzzle of the firearm for all tests. In addition, we use high quality ammo and the same host guns for each test. While our numbers may vary from other tests slightly, or from the manufacturers' numbers, there are some important things to remember: Sound levels are effected by elevation, temperature, humidity, ammunition used, firearm used, barrel length, cleanliness of the silencer, and wind speed, among other things. Because there are so many variables, it is not uncommon for silencers to meter differently from test to test. Also, it is important to remember that there are more factors than just the sound level of a silencer measured at the muzzle. The backpressure, weight, durability, length, attachment method, accuracy, and customer support of the company all matter. Another important factor is the sound level at the ear, which is why our new videos show that number as well. It is important to note that the ear measurements are affected by the same factors listed for the muzzle testing. The sound metering videos are offered as an example of how a silencer performs in general and we strive to make the test as accurate as possible. Remember, there are more to factors to consider when choosing a silencer than just the sound level; don’t get caught up chasing 1-2 dB. Hope this helps. I'll also post some pictures of the test set up. Texting was done in Reno NV, on Private land. Tested 13 MAY 17. |
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Your picture is showing approximately 38.4 inches off bore centerline, not 32 as you mentioned above.
The std is 1 meter which is ~39.37inches. The 1" of difference is probably negligible but why not just do the test to the std you are intending to use? I dont see the point of altering the std and harming or helping the product. Perpendicularity of the bore axis to the meter is also fairly important. So any angle toward or away from the meter will reduce the consistency of testing. |
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Your picture is showing approximately 38.4 inches off bore centerline, not 32 as you mentioned above. The std is 1 meter which is ~39.37inches. The 1" of difference is probably negligible but why not just do the test to the std you are intending to use? I dont see the point of altering the std and harming or helping the product. Perpendicularity of the bore axis to the meter is also fairly important. So any angle toward or away from the meter will reduce the consistency of testing. View Quote A MISTAKE ON OUR PART. I agree, The Bore is to be perpendicular. A few degrees off one way or the other will make a large difference. Tim at SAS does his best to keep it as close to perpendicular as possible. As Stated above there is a open door policy, any one can come out and take part in a test. SAS has nothing to hide. Contact me at 816-718-9489 or [email protected] to set it up. |
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Did I miss the "at the ear" number? You said the video shows it, not sure what video you're talking about, but what was the at-the-ear number?
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Did I miss the "at the ear" number? You said the video shows it, not sure what video you're talking about, but what was the at-the-ear number? View Quote The 130.79 Average. 38.21 DB of reduction. This is a 10 shot average. Not a 5 shot That is at the BORE. in accordance with MIL-SPEC testing. |
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We didn't do a AT THE EAR number. I can get that for you. It would be a few days or so. The 130.79 Average. 38.21 DB of reduction. This is a 10 shot average. Not a 5 shot That is at the BORE. in accordance with MIL-SPEC testing. View Quote |
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If you can test at the ear that would be awesome, I'm very interested in reflex cans of any type but the only measurement that matters to me is at my ear. I believe that is part of the new military standard according to MAC and I think anybody who is metering a suppressor ought to take both measurements every time. Then the consumer can choose which number matters more for their application. View Quote |
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I want numbers with the .30 caliber that you have mentioned.
I am very intrigued but would like to know of any differences. Is the .30 cal the exact same can just a larger hole? |
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How far does it reflex back over the barrel?
edit- math using the numbers you gave indicates just under 3 1/4. If so, that's just a hair too long for what I need. |
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I want numbers with the .30 caliber that you have mentioned. I am very intrigued but would like to know of any differences. Is the .30 cal the exact same can just a larger hole? View Quote Or he can do a custom size as well if you want more volume. |
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We did more texting, the At ear number is Below 120DB's. Well Below. Once we get a few more volunteers we will get a vid of the testing. To show it uninterrupted. At that point we will put out the actual numbers. View Quote |
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This must have been a bolt action rifle. Otherwise I call BS. View Quote Again, Tim at SAS has put out to ANYONE that wants you can come out and test with him. CALL TIM AT 775-386-9880 thanks Steve RLTW 816-718-9489 |
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No it was not. That is why until we get a vid showing it. I don't want to put it out. Again, Tim at SAS has put out to ANYONE that wants you can come out and test with him. CALL TIM AT 775-386-9880 thanks Steve RLTW 816-718-9489 View Quote |
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I've got no dog in the fight, and I'd love to try one of these out sometime, but just for reference, the bolt closing on an AR is around 120db at the port. View Quote We have tested the at ear ## 3 times and it has came back all with in 1/2 DB. |
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We did more texting, the At ear number is Below 120DB's. Well Below. Once we get a few more volunteers we will get a vid of the testing. To show it uninterrupted. At that point we will put out the actual numbers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Any update? At that point we will put out the actual numbers. Your .223 AR with supersonic ammo is "well below" a 10/22 with supersonic ammo? So, as quiet as a subsonic .22 or what? Do you guys have the same meter as JJFU? |
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The quietest numbers I've seen are for a silenced 10/22 metering at 119 dB with supersonic ammo and 115 dB with subsonic ammo. Your .223 AR with supersonic ammo is "well below" a 10/22 with supersonic ammo? So, as quiet as a subsonic .22 or what? Do you guys have the same meter as JJFU? View Quote WE are doing it at the EAR. We were asked about the DB level at the ear. The at the muzzle was 130.8. Yes this is quiet. If your in doubt come out and test with us. There is a open invite to any one. |
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This is either the quietest centerfire supressor at the ear and muzzle on the market, a discrepancy of equipment/testing procedure, or a load of BS.
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