User Panel
Posted: 9/9/2009 5:51:53 AM EDT
Our old website is gone.
We've been meaning to do this for a long time. Getting around to it was tough. NEW SITE |
|
Correction I talked to my graphic designer, we're going with that design from the website front logo only. We like that better than the front left breast
logo and back logo design. So thanks. The designer lives 1/3 of a mile from a T shirt company that prints shirts for Holister, Abercrombie and Fitch, AE, Harley Davidson, and the US Army. I wouldn't have thought the US Army T-shirts were cool, but it turns out the Army makes those airborne and infantry shirts that you see in Ranger Joes catalog which are a little loud but still a quality product- I always thought those were privately manufactured for retailers, but they are actually something recruiting command has their hand in. We toured that facility and realized it's possible to deliver people a lot more value than most T-shirts without too much additional cost. There is a lot of different base T shirt companies and materials, and some of them fit, look, and feel a lot better than others. Most shirt you see are cheap. They can dye a shirt so the fibers can flex and expand without ripping the graphic, because there is no PVC-based logo applied. They also do the more conventional rubbery feeling PVC base but it's just one of a lot of technologies they have and use for screen printing shirts. It was like a Mr. Rodgers tour of the T shirt business. I enjoyed it, even though we were touring after 40 hours without sleep. |
|
NICE looking site!
The One-Zero certainly is interesting. May I ask why you went with a square profile? I can't wait to see test results for it. John is going to test one, right? |
|
Just an FYI, on the front page image the t-shirts are $26 shipped, on the order page they're $29.
|
|
Quoted:
NICE looking site! The One-Zero certainly is interesting. May I ask why you went with a square profile? I can't wait to see test results for it. John is going to test one, right? That's the plan- they are in production. The current intent is for sound and endurance testing. The square profile has a lot to do with the manufacturing method. The manufacturing method by design is intended for better cooling and strength. Square has positive and negative implications, as obviously gas tends to travel in a round (teardrop shaped) profile, and square profiles allow less obstruction for flashlights and optics. Everything you do in engineering has positive and negative implications so that's a constant. |
|
Quoted:
Just an FYI, on the front page image the t-shirts are $26 shipped, on the order page they're $29. Thanks- I know there are probably a few typos in there, I have to read over everything and get a list to a programmer. I was just happy he was able to get this in because when people get buried in work, it can take weeks to wrap up a project. |
|
I didn't see your Operator 45 can up on the site, are you guys redesigning or will it be up shortly? I'm glad to hear some of your cans are going to john for eval, I was disappointed when I didn't see them on the 762 and 223 shoot outs.
|
|
Quoted:
are you a subsidiary of AAC? it looks like a bad version of theirs fixed it for you |
|
Will the Scout handle 300 win mag?
Will the Spartan handle 22-250? if so, how do I purchase them? the website says "not available for purchase on-line"... |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
are you a subsidiary of AAC? it looks like a bad version of theirs fixed it for you Good use of sarcasm. One of my favorite styles of humor. Just like different styles of humor there are different styles of graphic design in use by artists. "Distressed" Graphics have been coming in vogue now for a few years and they are getting more and more popular. Its a fad style just like anything else and probably wont be "cool" anymore in about 5 years. But having said that we actually got the Idea from our church bulletins. If you do a Google image search on "distressed graphics" you'll see that AAC didn't invent distressed graphics. Its a style not a trademark. Also one that is very popular and very much in use, yes, even in fields outside of the firearm industry. Link to google image search Disressed graphics As they say, you learn something new every day. -Evan |
|
Quoted:
I didn't see your Operator 45 can up on the site, are you guys redesigning or will it be up shortly? I'm glad to hear some of your cans are going to john for eval, I was disappointed when I didn't see them on the 762 and 223 shoot outs. A lot of the silencers we ran were very small runs. Silencers aren't really as popular as some of the ad campaigns would have you believe. I don't know why as they are cool as shit, but that's just the truth in it. The operator is sold out currently We're not sure what the point would be of running it again, the AAC Tirant .45 shares a very similar wet reduction and has a booster. It also wasn't smear marketed like the Operator was by AAC over on silencertalk. The One Zero would hold 22-250. The Bushwacker would as well and we have a couple of those left. As for the other two, they are very light silencers and I haven't tested anything heavy so I'd just say no to be safe. The Scout is the lightest stainless .308 silencer I know of. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
are you a subsidiary of AAC? it looks like a bad version of theirs fixed it for you Thats the first thing I thought, at least be a little original |
|
is the $345 price on the spartan correct? seems to be missing a digit
|
|
Is the attachment method for that goofy square 5.56 can the same as the KAC stuff?
|
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
are you a subsidiary of AAC? it looks like a bad version of theirs fixed it for you Thats the first thing I thought, at least be a little original Boy I sure like Red Camera's website from the past couple years? http://www.red.com Hey Pot, the Kettle called.... Black Distressed backgrounds seem to be the new... well... Black. |
|
Quoted:
is the $345 price on the spartan correct? seems to be missing a digit Yeah, holy shit! A $345 .223 can. You guys better check your brake lines or you might have an "accident." The big guys aren't gonna be happy about you making a can 1/3 the price of theirs. I wasn't in the market for a .223 can but I might just have to get one. Do you guys have any 9mm cans in stock? |
|
Quoted:
Is the attachment method for that goofy square 5.56 can the same as the KAC stuff? No. If you had knowledge of that system you would be able to tell how it was different and how it is related. The square silencer isn't actually goofy at all. It represents a patentable construction method. We've talked to experts and they have told us it is patentable, and we have patents pending on it. In case you aren't familiar with that, that means it hasn't been used in industry before as we've used it here. Among other things, It allows us to use more high nickel super alloy than any other 5.56 silencer in the industry. The goal? Durability, a less intentional consequence- value added to the customer at no additional cost when compared to the competition. Really we'd like to see our product in the hands of combat soldiers, because we are combat soldiers and it would be an honor to put build something good enough to be requested by warriors. We are closing out the $345 5.56 silencers. The One Zero is replacing both the Bushwacker and the Spartan at least for now. The Bushwacker could return, but thats up in the air. The spartan is a flyweight 16.5 ounce 304LSS can with 26DB reduction. That price is probably industry competitive with silencers that have specs like that. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
are you a subsidiary of AAC? it looks a helluva lot nicer than theirs unfixed it for ya Thats the first thing I thought, at least be a little original, like my avatar, yeah, that's the ticket. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
are you a subsidiary of AAC? it looks a helluva lot nicer than theirs unfixed it for ya Thats the first thing I thought, at least be a little original, like my avatar, yeah, that's the ticket. Your a genius, like a 4th grade hacker You comparing an avatar that doesnt mean shit to a website that represents a companay. A sponsor being an ass, expect nothing less from you Call in your fan boys for support |
|
Quoted:
<snip> Your a genius, like a 4th grade hacker Talking to your self with incorrect spelling is a sign. But ironic and funny that you'd childlessly use the word "fanboy". ETA - You and goodwi77 have both been called up to the principal's office ... forevermore, I can't imagine what that's about. |
|
Quoted:
No. If you had knowledge of that system you would be able to tell how it was different and how it is related. The square silencer isn't actually goofy at all. It represents a patentable construction method. We're probably not going to patent it, but patent experts would tell you and have told us it is unique and is patentable. In case you aren't familiar with that, that means it hasn't been used in industry before as we've used it here. Among other things, It allows us to use more high nickel super alloy than any other 5.56 silencer in the industry. The goal? Durability, a less intentional consequence- value added to the customer at no additional cost when compared to the competition. Really we'd like to see our product in the hands of combat soldiers, because we are combat soldiers and it would be an honor to put build something good enough to be requested by warriors. We are closing out the $345 5.56 silencers. The One Zero is replacing both the Bushwacker and the Spartan at least for now. The Bushwacker could return, but thats up in the air. The spartan is a flyweight 16.5 ounce 304LSS can with 26DB reduction. That price is probably industry competitive with silencers that have specs like that. Gear down there big shifter. I don't have knowledge of that system, that's why I asked the question. I noticed a similarity based on the drawing on your website and asked a simple question. Damn, why do so many manufacturers these days get all butt hurt and insulting if you ask questions? |
|
Quoted:
<snip> Damn, why do so many manufacturers these days get all butt hurt and insulting if you ask questions? How quaint that you managed to slip in a nice little insult about insults. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
No. If you had knowledge of that system you would be able to tell how it was different and how it is related. The square silencer isn't actually goofy at all. It represents a patentable construction method. We're probably not going to patent it, but patent experts would tell you and have told us it is unique and is patentable. In case you aren't familiar with that, that means it hasn't been used in industry before as we've used it here. Among other things, It allows us to use more high nickel super alloy than any other 5.56 silencer in the industry. The goal? Durability, a less intentional consequence- value added to the customer at no additional cost when compared to the competition. Really we'd like to see our product in the hands of combat soldiers, because we are combat soldiers and it would be an honor to put build something good enough to be requested by warriors. We are closing out the $345 5.56 silencers. The One Zero is replacing both the Bushwacker and the Spartan at least for now. The Bushwacker could return, but thats up in the air. The spartan is a flyweight 16.5 ounce 304LSS can with 26DB reduction. That price is probably industry competitive with silencers that have specs like that. Gear down there big shifter. I don't have knowledge of that system, that's why I asked the question. I noticed a similarity based on the drawing on your website and asked a simple question. Damn, why do so many manufacturers these days get all butt hurt and insulting if you ask questions? Because that takes my entire design and brings into question its originality and with it my right to claim it as my product. That's probably nearing a thousand hours of engineering work, the culmination thus far of invested years of time. Mountains of resources have been allocated to this project. Maybe now you understand why people take these comments and are forced to respond seriously to them. I don't have an M4QD. I was issued and ran operational missions with one on a past deployment. I've never owned one. This project has involved a lot of invested time, waiting to see results, and all I have right now is CFD to go on to estimate the success of this project. So I've tested all my past projects in CFD with the intent of developing a feeling for how CFD is applicable to silencers and how predictable it's results are to actual performance. At the insistance of my graphic designer, I recently did model a conceptual M4QD from pictures for a CFD study to create a item of interest for the fan page viewers. That model was run through CFD to see how CFD would compare it to my upcoming product that is in production currently. Those results, minus the comparison to my product, are talked about on my website's facebook fan page, which you can visit by following the link on the main page of our website. You'll also get a chance to see a better concept of how the M4QD's mounting system works there. I enjoyed the project, but so far I'm unconvinced CFD is completely reliable or even anything better than a fun illustration of jazzy looking graphics on the screen. The problem right now is the program I'm using measures maximum velocity. In nearly all products I've tested thus far that max velocity has occurred at the exit aperture where the greatest differential of pressure exists with the imput data I've given the projects. I recently ran a study on a prototypical silencer from a foreign manufacturer I correspond with and it showed maximum velocity wasn't at the exit aperture- in other words outside of his baffle having a sort of strange and wonderful technology advantage, CFD's summary results probably failed to accurately represent the performance of that product. Accurate representation is very important as without it the output data is garbage- how is an engineer supposed to improve something when the CFD spits him a number that may not be reflective of the element of the analysis he is looking for? Another of the problems with it, is it's hard to depict entrance gas in a way that is both realistic and consistent from study to study. There is a bullet in a silencer in reality and in CFD there is no bullet, so it may be a technology that just misses the boat. Only more testing of modeled products that have real sound test data to contrast with will be able to answer that question for me. The fluke may be unique to that baffle system, or it may represent an error of the CFD software as it pertains to that particular baffle style so I haven't ruled anything out the study thus far is too isolated to be evidence of a rule or anything of that nature. |
|
Quoted:
The fluke may be unique to that baffle system, or it may represent an error of the CFD software as it pertains to that particular baffle style so I haven't ruled anything out the study thus far is too isolated to be evidence of a rule or anything of that nature. This guy that I know who does CFD for a Boeing sub says they make a mesh of a design, test it, make an artifact, test that, and adjust the mesh until it matches the artifact in real life. Iterate until you meet your design goals. In effect, CFD helps when you're making small changes to a known design, but it doesn't eliminate testing an article. He works on engines - somewhat similar environment to silencers, in that it's hot, turbid flow with a bunch of interfaces. Not the smooth, laminar flow you'd like. Take my recounting of my conversation with him a few years ago for what it's worth. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
No. If you had knowledge of that system you would be able to tell how it was different and how it is related. The square silencer isn't actually goofy at all. It represents a patentable construction method. We're probably not going to patent it, but patent experts would tell you and have told us it is unique and is patentable. In case you aren't familiar with that, that means it hasn't been used in industry before as we've used it here. Among other things, It allows us to use more high nickel super alloy than any other 5.56 silencer in the industry. The goal? Durability, a less intentional consequence- value added to the customer at no additional cost when compared to the competition. Really we'd like to see our product in the hands of combat soldiers, because we are combat soldiers and it would be an honor to put build something good enough to be requested by warriors. We are closing out the $345 5.56 silencers. The One Zero is replacing both the Bushwacker and the Spartan at least for now. The Bushwacker could return, but thats up in the air. The spartan is a flyweight 16.5 ounce 304LSS can with 26DB reduction. That price is probably industry competitive with silencers that have specs like that. Gear down there big shifter. I don't have knowledge of that system, that's why I asked the question. I noticed a similarity based on the drawing on your website and asked a simple question. Damn, why do so many manufacturers these days get all butt hurt and insulting if you ask questions? Because that takes my entire design and brings into question its originality and with it my right to claim it as my product. That's probably nearing a thousand hours of engineering work, the culmination thus far of invested years of time. Mountains of resources have been allocated to this project. Maybe now you understand why people take these comments and are forced to respond seriously to them. I don't have an M4QD. I was issued and ran operational missions with one on a past deployment. I've never owned one. This project has involved a lot of invested time, waiting to see results, and all I have right now is CFD to go on to estimate the success of this project. So I've tested all my past projects in CFD with the intent of developing a feeling for how CFD is applicable to silencers and how predictable it's results are to actual performance. At the insistance of my graphic designer, I recently did model a conceptual M4QD from pictures for a CFD study to create a item of interest for the fan page viewers. That model was run through CFD to see how CFD would compare it to my upcoming product that is in production currently. Those results, minus the comparison to my product, are talked about on my website's facebook fan page, which you can visit by following the link on the main page of our website. You'll also get a chance to see a better concept of how the M4QD's mounting system works there. I enjoyed the project, but so far I'm unconvinced CFD is completely reliable or even anything better than a fun illustration of jazzy looking graphics on the screen. The problem right now is the program I'm using measures maximum velocity. In nearly all products I've tested thus far that max velocity has occurred at the exit aperture where the greatest differential of pressure exists with the imput data I've given the projects. I recently ran a study on a prototypical silencer from a foreign manufacturer I correspond with and it showed maximum velocity wasn't at the exit aperture- in other words outside of his baffle having a sort of strange and wonderful technology advantage, CFD's summary results probably failed to accurately represent the performance of that product. Accurate representation is very important as without it the output data is garbage- how is an engineer supposed to improve something when the CFD spits him a number that may not be reflective of the element of the analysis he is looking for? Another of the problems with it, is it's hard to depict entrance gas in a way that is both realistic and consistent from study to study. There is a bullet in a silencer in reality and in CFD there is no bullet, so it may be a technology that just misses the boat. Only more testing of modeled products that have real sound test data to contrast with will be able to answer that question for me. The fluke may be unique to that baffle system, or it may represent an error of the CFD software as it pertains to that particular baffle style so I haven't ruled anything out the study thus far is too isolated to be evidence of a rule or anything of that nature. That's what I was looking for. Thanks for the information. I'm interested to see how it turns out. Mark, what I said isn't any less true. Maybe I caught Green0 on a bad day, but the response above would have been perfectly valid the first time, and without the snark. Unrelated PM inbound. Guess not. Says you don't accept IM's. |
|
Look's like an interesting 223 can, and fuck the AAC koolaiders. if it works well and sells for a decent price we all win IMO
|
|
Quoted:
Look's like an interesting 223 can, and fuck the AAC koolaiders. if it works well and sells for a decent price we all win IMO That's the heart of it right there. I'll have to see how this thing performs when it's not inside a computer. That mesh and artifact statement makes a ton of sense. For that you would need a way to measure exit velocity of gas. Not sure how that would work out, but it would help a lot by allowing one to tweak the CFD input until the output was the same and venture from there in an effort to find better output characteristics. As far as pictures, the first production examples we have will be the first time we have an oppotunity to photograph it. It's going to be 6-8 weeks still. The cheaper silencers bolt together so you make parts and you have silencers. The more advanced a silencer gets the more operations are involved start to finish, and operations might add strength and value but they eat time. |
|
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.