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Posted: 11/24/2007 11:16:30 AM EDT
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The older I get, the more I shoot, the quieter silencers get, crap 9mm subguns don't even sound loud to me when they don't have silencers on them. An now the tennitis is starting in my left ear.
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Posted: 11/24/2007 11:40:18 AM EDT
[#2]
My hearing is pretty good. |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 12:02:43 PM EDT
[#3]
Steve, how did it sound compared to other .223 cans?
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Posted: 11/24/2007 12:10:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Just got to touch mine 3 days ago at the shop
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Posted: 11/24/2007 12:16:33 PM EDT
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Ian, to be honest, I wasn't comparing it to my other cans side by side. I just thought in general, based on my personal experience with a lot of cans, that it was a nice piece (of metal that is).
We shot the shit out of it too and it held up nice. |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 12:37:18 PM EDT
[#6]
Heard many different cans at the Hernando MG shoots and none of them sound nearly as quiet as the Mod 7.
Of course, this may have to do more with tone than db's... Only drawback to mine is that it won't active the shot timer.... 
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Posted: 11/26/2007 5:27:49 AM EDT
[#7]
I agree they are fine cans.
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Posted: 11/27/2007 8:16:04 PM EDT
[#8]
They are nice cans both on the suppression and the mechanics of the mounting system.
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Posted: 11/27/2007 8:36:23 PM EDT
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Anyone able to comment on the reduced gas in the face factor of the 07 models compared to earlier units?
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Posted: 11/27/2007 8:39:52 PM EDT
[#10]
I think you're thinking of the SPR-M4 and SCAR-H SD, which are reflex suppressors.
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Posted: 11/28/2007 3:21:30 AM EDT
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I've shot both (I have a mod07). Different AR15s, but both 14.5" barrels. The first time I shot the old one (first time ever shooting a .223 can), I wasn't expecting the blast in my face. It really caught me off guard. I didn't know that rifle cans did that. I had to stop a couple of times during one mag to wait out the watering. I can go through a whole mag on the mod07 without feeling it too much. Still there, but greatly reduced. My experiences. |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 8:20:38 AM EDT
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All the AAC 07 .223 models are marketed as having reduced gas in the face including the Ranger II. I just have no gotten to experience one of the newer units compared along with an older unit side by side in regards to the gas. I am guessing that AAC just moved the magic pixie dust they use for silencer componants further forward in the housing for reduced back blow. |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 2:31:55 PM EDT
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I've not tried the both cans on the exact same rifle, but my M4-2000 on a Bushy 16" seems to be a bit gassier than my M4-2000 Mod 07 on a different 16".
Pixie dust is apparently a beautiful thing. |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 3:04:37 PM EDT
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That's the deal with magic Pixie Dust it can't be seen by the naked eye so it's hard to copy it, must get it from the original source.
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Posted: 11/28/2007 7:01:11 PM EDT
[#15]
You know too much about magic pixie dust... |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 4:02:05 AM EDT
[#16]
Getting back on topic (please do NOT hijack this thread), the can I shot a few years ago was not the mod 07 and was not as good IMO- still a good can, but not like this one. I guess the improvements have come a long way- not sure what they did.
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Posted: 11/29/2007 5:19:02 AM EDT
[#17]
its what the customers did  demanding better cans  so they had to I know many Americans hate the $200 tax but honestly without customers would demand cheaper cans letting nothing left for the manufacturers for R&Dprogress cost $ ,,but in the end its worth it ,,and finely the price will be right |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 2:59:55 PM EDT
[#18]
That tax money doesn't go to the manufacturers for R&D... |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 4:20:48 PM EDT
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I know ,,and i didnt write that What i mean is that if a can was just a thing you( in the US) could buy (like in many places in Europe) many people would just want a cheap can ,then the manufacturers would compete on bringing cheap cans to the marked instead of better cans  with the tax there is so little difference (in %)in the end price that (most)people buy the better can even being "a bit more expensive" imagine going to the super marked and cans were free to buy and you could take it along right away ,,many would be tempted by a cheap can |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 5:57:50 PM EDT
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I have a lot of time behind an older M4-2000 and SCAR-SD on several different weapons of varying barrel lengths. When I switched over to the '07 cans I was surprised by the reduced gas blowback to the user. I can really tell a difference. It is even better with the SPR/M4.
The military trials AAC went through resulted in a lot of changes for the better. Love or hate the AAC personalities, they do make good products. Like every manufacturer of anything, they have also had a few less than perfect items leave the shop. But they have also really improved their customer support too and continue to improve their products. Mark |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 6:06:55 PM EDT
[#21]
Do they still offer an upgrade for those who have the earlier model M42000?
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Posted: 11/29/2007 7:30:28 PM EDT
[#22]
Yes, you can send them your M4 2000 and a check for $447. In a few months, you'll have a new Mod 7. To me, the extra $447 for a rock steady ratchet mount and reduced blowback was worth the extra cost. Then again, I paid dealer cost on the first can
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Posted: 11/30/2007 1:43:12 AM EDT
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The more I shoot, the louder everything sounds. I get pickier than shit, and the suppressors get better. I just re-built a tac-62 for a guy, and it sounds like a pellet gun in my basement with Federal champion. It came in ringing my ears down there... now it sounds better than anything I've ever heard. I have constant ringing in my right ear. That's something to say though, if you have a bone to pick and you like the product. The can got shorter. Maybe that helped to reduce blowback too? That was what always impressed me about the M4QD from KAC... low blowback. It doesn't meter amazing in tests, but it sounded good on my rifle. slightly louder than the bullet flight noise... slightly. |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 3:21:00 AM EDT
[#24]
So the mount is different? Hmmmm.... Is the mount of the 07 762SD new and improved as well? |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 3:34:50 AM EDT
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LastDefender,
I will assume you are asking a legitimate question, however, I will warn everyone again, do not hijack this thread and turn it into a "I hate brand x" thread. Those of you taking every opportunity to turn these threads into some sort of bash party need to curb your behavior. I count at least three on page one of this forum. Take it somewhere else. There is no need to respond to this warning. |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 4:09:57 AM EDT
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Steve in VA,
Thank you for giving me the benifit of the doubt. To be clear, I own two AAC suppressors, the M4-2000 and the 762SD both are early 06 vintage. For proof I'd be happy to post a picture with a note written with what ever you care to PM me with so you know I didn't just pull something off the net. Regards, Gary |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 4:46:52 AM EDT
[#27]
The AAC 762-SD mount is the same as the older AAC M4-2000 mount. I have both suppressors. Carey |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 9:19:20 AM EDT
[#28]
Gary, no need to prove anything. I'm just a little paranoid given the suppressor war agendas that pop up here. Sorry for the side bar. |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 9:43:55 AM EDT
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I looked at lots of manufacturers before deciding on the M4-2K, it's a damn fine piece of craftsmanship.
It amazes me how it can make a .223/5.56 sound like a .22 short! With the can on it also seems to balance my AR a bit better as well as reducing felt recoil (yeah, I know). It helps when you are dealing with good people like the kind folks at Polite Society, Inc. They made the process easy and wouldn't sell anything that wasn't "on hand". Back when I got mine the wait period was 90 days +/-  I was SO happy when I got the call I could just spit!A special thanks to Allen and Mark from Polite Society!  eta:sp |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:25:11 AM EDT
[#30]
Another +1 for Mark and Allen---they are THE people to buy from
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Posted: 11/30/2007 2:25:19 PM EDT
[#31]
you can also upgrade the m42k 06 to an m4spr.
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Posted: 11/30/2007 2:27:47 PM EDT
[#32]
You can? |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 2:40:12 PM EDT
[#33]
It is a bizarre business model. They are essentially selling a new suppressor for dealer cost but cutting the dealer out of the equation. |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 3:20:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Are they making enough money where they can do this for people at cost? Jeez. I am not saying they are overcharging for their stuff. Whatever they want to charge is fine but it seems that once you have the money it's silly to then rebuild silencers for basically nothing.
I guess if I could, I would want everyone to have my latest and greatest too. It makes sense. Any possible shortcomings in earlier designs won't be there any longer. It's like Ford vs. Chevy. Mustang GTs would always be slower than the Z28. But, a year or two later that year's would be faster than a 2 year old Z28 or close to it. If Ford could afford it, they'd probably like to upgrade the earlier mustangs to beat all previous Z28s. But that just sounds ludicrous for most companies. |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 5:56:15 PM EDT
[#35]
I suspect the $447 is about what it costs AAC to manufacture the can. This makes the "trade in" unit, the profit. Where do all those used cans go anyhow ?
 I loved the sound suppression of the M4 2000 but, had problems with POI shifts between shots due to it's (what I consider) flawed mounting system and gas blow back. The Mod 7 offered a mounting system that eliminates POI shifts between shots and has virtually no gas blowback.  Edited cuz I kant spel
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Posted: 11/30/2007 6:21:54 PM EDT
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Dealer cost for the 762SD is about $500, how much more do you think the M42K costs? (trick question) |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 6:36:01 PM EDT
[#37]
What's with the coloring of that suppressor? Is it titanium or something?
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Posted: 11/30/2007 9:13:33 PM EDT
[#38]
What I will say is, the "one unit" dealer cost price on the M4 2000 is a lot more than $500 (by a long shot). I would speculate though, that the manufactures's cost to produce the can is about $500. This is a speculative guess based on the retail value of the can and what you have to pay to get it upgraded. Of course, I could be totally wrong and probably am... My point is, for me, the upgrade fee wasn't so bad because I got the original can from a C2 buddy. For other people that don't have C2 buddies, the upgrade fee may not be worth paying... ________________________________________________________________________________ As for the pic, the can appears totally flat black to the eye and has no rainbow like discoloration. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 12:28:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2007 1:02:41 PM EDT
[#40]
The new SCARMOR finish often has a prismatic color scheme before it is exposed to high temperatures. The rainbow color effect supposedly goes away after a few trips to the range.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 3:04:16 PM EDT
[#41]
No prismatic tomfoolery
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Posted: 12/1/2007 3:38:23 PM EDT
[#42]
I like that a lot better than the patina look of other M42K'07s. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 7:06:50 PM EDT
[#43]
No i meant the heated titanium look- oil slick on water effect.
Thought it was neat. The carbon on the 3 prong is easily figured out. So the prismatic color goes away quickly? So the 3 prong is even quicker to get that carbon build up? it's not burnt in, right? It can be removed? I'm asking because the color is still there and the carbon already looks very old. I was thinking the coloring comes from heavy use after looking at the heavy buildup. Either way, it all looks nice to me! |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 7:23:47 PM EDT
[#44]
they are also cutting out the tax stamp
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Posted: 12/1/2007 8:31:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:48:41 AM EDT
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My Mod7 is new. There never has been any prismatic/oil slick/rainbow/ heated titanium look to the finish. What you're seeing in the first picture is an optical illusion created by poor lighting, a cheap camera and a photographer that doesn't know how to take photos  Hence, the second photo to illustrate that fact The carbon build-up that you see on my new flash hider is a result of about 150 rounds fired (Wolf). Again, the photo is deceptive. The carbon build-up wipes right off with an oil soaked patch. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:57:29 AM EDT
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I know,, it was just that when going from a old to new model ,not only didnt the customer have to pay a little to the dealer, but the customer could also skip the tax  god for the customer not so god for the dealers ,,and the tax ,,ha should never have been there I wrote it because Ian wrote "It is a bizarre business model" The "bizarre" condition was created by the tax stamp / avoiding the( second) tax stamp Without the tax stamp people wouldn't pay to rebuilt a can that was ok ,,they would just buy another one |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:58:50 AM EDT
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That was the other major factor in my decision to upgrade to the Mod 7. Factor in the addtional $200 (plus other fees) and BATFE processing time (selling & buying) and it made more sense for me to "upgrade" - compared to selling the original M4 2000, then going through the entire process again to buy a Mod 7. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 5:59:50 AM EDT
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I too have had POI issues with my 762 and M42000. I attributed these to the mounting mechanizm. It may be worth the money to have these upgraded so I can put them back into service. On my 762SD the suppressor would not lock tight. I had to rest the suppressor in the last available valley. This slight wobble in my opinion created issues after the second or third shot. I would see 3-5 MOA POI shift that could simply not be explained. The M42000 performed a bit better as it would would lock tighter but I still noticed a shift.
Does anyone have the upgraded 762SD on their bolt gun? If so, what have been your results? Regards, Gary Here is my SPR...  |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 7:11:14 AM EDT
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No need for a " "Check out this thread: www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12150&highlight=patina ETA: It seems I was wrong: people seem to observe the coloration intensifying with time, not diminishing as I said before. |
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