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Posted: 3/31/2007 4:18:56 PM EDT
Does anyone have a Suppressor on an AR-10? Did you need an adjustable gas block?
My AR-10 is a carbine with a stock muzzle break. Many people who hear it say it is the loudest rifle they have ever heard. I'd like to have a small lite can that is easy to maitain and is a good value. I'd also like minimum first round pop. I don't need the quietest can. I have no interest in subsonic use. I have an Outback II on a Browning Buckmark that I like very much. Does anyone have a recommendation? |
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AAC 762SD. You gotta have a quick detach type on a gun like that. No real first round pop on rifles.
No maintenance on the 762 either (at least nothing intensive) |
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Just ordered one for mine. Guy I bought my AR10 from had this same can on it and didn't run into any probs.
308 can Only $400!! |
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OPS Inc. makes a wonderful 12th model in .308. Very quiet, reduces felt recoil to just about that of a .223 and increases accuracy to some degree. Mine is on a 24 inch barrel though.
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I use SWR Omega .30 on my threaded AR10. There's no need for adjustable gas block. |
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Good can and good value. Pretyt heavy duty as well. |
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I have one of these too on my Ar-10 and it's a damned good can! It's very quiet, no forst round pop and about a 1/2 POI from unsuppressed. |
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+1 for SAS or ctsurpressors, i dont hink you can find a better deal.
while i have not recived it yet, surpressors to me are only so good, and past a certain point you are only paying for a name, Tim makes a pretty sweet can, ill post pics of the one that he is making for me, after he sends me the finished photos it looks just like the knights Mk11 can |
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I've got the Gemtech HVT bilock mounted can on my AR10. The barrel is 18" so it uses the rifle length gas system.
I had an adjustable block installed along with the barrel, but it has not been needed to make the gun work correctly and therefore haven't touched it yet. I'm very happy with the HVT, easily hearing safe with no pop. If I was to do it again, I'd probably go with the AAC 7.62SD though, now with their lower pricing and all for this year puts it under the Gemtech's pricing. At the time I bought mine, the HVT was a little less expensive, and the two are very much compatible performance wise from I've gathered. Regardless of which can you get, I highly recomend a quick release type. |
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Picking up a DPMS Panther and will soon be sending it to Mark Stannard to thread but basically I'm using the SAS can also.
Hearing it is really wonderful, really tames that noise down alot. To my ears, it sounds like a ruler slapping on a table using regular ammo. |
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how much is aac lowering prices? ive allways thought they looked coool, but not for how much they were asking, IMO i dont hink they are twice the can that gemtech or SAS are, as the pricing at times would sugest
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The new MSRP for the 762SD was lowered to $795, not sure what street price is going for exactly. It used to list for something like $950 I think.
The Gemtech HVT lists for $865 (quick release model), but is easily found for an $800 street price. |
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Agreed but these other compaines have a lot of overhead to pay for, much more so than a one man operation who does'nt advertise in gun magazines. That's why they cost twice as much. I think suppressor technology is all pretty much the same. The only real differences are types of materials and finsihes used. I know there are baffle differences but not so much that one is going to be a helluva lot quiter than another. You said it best, once you reach a certain level of suppression the difference in price means alot. I don't think a SF suppressor is twice the can an AAC is nor do I think a AAC is twice the can a SAS is. I think they are all pretty much the same in terms of suppression. |
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Also customer service play a part.
I had a problem with my TacSol barrel, but I didn't know if it was the threads on the barrel or the threads in the can that were off. I sent the whole pistol and can to Gemtech. They checked them both and determined it was the barrel. They hand delivered them to TacSol who took care of the problem. I'll pay a little more for a company that I know will be there when I need them. I'm not saying that noone besides Gemtech stands behind their product. What customer service experiences have yall had with these other companies? |
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Umm we had a purchase of ~15 cans from CTS, several had issues with the threads. He fixed all cans that had issues no problems. I think he got himself a little too rushed and tried to please us too much and pushed some small stuff.
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Sent mines back for threading on Friday and I got it back in my evil hands the next week.
It was all parkerized and I really think he just gave me a new one because I had bumps and bruises on it that should of showed even with parkerizing. Oh well. It shoots alot quieter I am happy. |
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I run a Gemtech HVT on my AR10 without an adjustable gas block, and I've encountered no problems. I had an 18" barrel and a now 20" barrel, and both work great. Haven't shot the setup lately, mostly due to retarded WA state laws regarding suppressor usage....
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I tested my AR10 with Tim's cans and it ran fine...so fine I've got one on the way. (BATFE has cashed my check...only a couple more weeks.) |
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I followed the thread in the Hometown Forum fairly closely and it seemed to me that the only issue with the cans was that the 15 guys that got cans all had rifles with different thread tolerances. Tim decided that being a little loose was better than too tight. Of course when he did take the cans back and tighten up the threads some of the guys started complaining that they were now too tight...there is no pleasing some people. |
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bj- you're wrong. sorry. There were cans where the threads were bell shaped, can's with threads so messed up you couldn't thread it on more than a 1/4 inch, some that had more than an inch of slop. Tim did do right in fixing it- but several were tested by both manufacturers and people who thread barrels for a living. The barrels were fine, cans were not.
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Roger that...I don't remember that being discussed in the thread. Thanks |
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OK sorry, but it's a tad touchy subject. He did come through in the end and the product is very good imho. But don't rush your order!!!
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I really like fast-attach cans on auto-loading rifles. We have used AAC 762-SD cans on many different host weapons and I like them a lot. Sounds great. Excellent construction and materials.
I have no experience with the .308 version of the Ops Inc 12th model, but I do have experience the .223 version and the can is very nice. Mount is rock solid. Suppression is great. No gas blow back. If you consider thread-mount cans, I strongly encourage you to look at the SWR Omega 30. This will be a bit lighter weight than the other two cans I mentioned. Can't remember how much past the muzzle the can goes, so you might want to compare that to the Ops can. Mark |
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i put a YHM QD .308 can on my AR10, love it, i didn't do a Adj gas block and i have the armalite 16" barrel but i will put a noveske brl on it soon. shoots great! The yhm can is heavy but i love the QD and its quiet.
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I dont know much about it, but trying to fulfill this requirements on a .308 can:
that knocks alot out of the contender spot. Maybe a SASS Can? dont know much about them but i have heard the jive on a couple of forums |
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AAC uses better equipment. Robot welders, metal treatments, some exotic materials- Those things cost money. The AAC product may be built for a different mission than the product you want though, some suppressors are larger for better sound reduction, others more special mission oriented built to meet someone's design criteria or personal prefference (whatever that mission or prefference was). If I were buying for an AR10, the AR10 would be a long range precision rifle, and I would be tempted to go with OPS. The OPS suppressors are precision rifle oriented from what I have heard. (low POI shift, high sound reduction.) |
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I have one of Tim's 5.56mm QD cans on my duty M4.
It's a great can and he is a great guy to deal with. He ended up designing the QD/Can to exactly what I wanted. It only adds 4" over what my 14.5"/Phantom FS originally was and makes the rifle comfortable to shoot without plugs. Alternately I can drop the can on my 20" HBAR with a different length QD and regain the full internal volume of the can. It also helps that Tim is right accross town. I will probably be turning to him for a 7.62 QD can when I aquire the appropriate rifle. ETA: Pics after I cooked it a couple times On my M4 the M4 QD Mount w/collar attached Closeup on the HBAR Muzzle On the HBAR |
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One of the other guys and I in the NV HTF bought cans from Tim at CTS, as well. His is a 5.56 can mounted on the 16" M4, with qd mounts to also put it on his 10/22.
I got a QD type in .30 cal. Mounted on the PARA FAL, it tames the beast nicely, but the can really shines on my M4. My wife loved it so much that she wants one. We had a bunny shoot and I'll never invite another unsuppressed shooter ater seeing the guns in action. We also sold another guy on can use. Very good deal, in my opinion. |
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If things weren't confusing enough, the new AAC SCAR-H SD cans are finally shipping and are VERY nice. There are a little more quiet than the 762-SD too.
There are a lot of good options out there these days for sure. Mark |
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I got one of Tim's (SAS) cans earlier this spring for my AR10. IMHO he is a great guy to deal with. My folks still live in Evansville, so I made a trip to see them and while I was there, Tim met me at the range to test a can prior to purchase. The best thing about his can and my rifle is that there is barely 1/4 MOA POI shift.
It was also nice to be able to get a can without taking out a second mortgage...I also left some Norrell's with Tim and he finish it in FDE for me rather than the usual. BTW - I opted for the thread-on can. |
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The barrel is 22" with the bas port moved 2" forward. I've never heard the 3rd and 12th .30 side by side on the same length barrels. The 3rd is *supposed* top be quieter. I'll have to see if I can get them metered on the same barrel. |
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