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Posted: 1/23/2002 9:14:13 AM EDT
[#1]
why a 12lbs trigger
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Posted: 1/23/2002 9:15:12 AM EDT
[#2]
Man those glock triggers are bad enough without the NY installed trigger spring can't they just teach there officers to keep there finger off the fuckin trigger???
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Posted: 1/23/2002 9:22:01 AM EDT
[#3]
To prevent accidental discharges of course! Does not help accuracy one bit. |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 9:24:20 AM EDT
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It's a liability thing, hey if I had it my way, I'd be carrying around my Dan Wesson 1911. Since that isn't the case, I have to depend on the G26 to save my ass. |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 9:35:28 AM EDT
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Is there any way to install the Glock Competition connector? with the NY trigger and the Competition you get a trigger pull of about 6 lbs, but it is very smooth and nice.
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Posted: 1/23/2002 9:42:48 AM EDT
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The problem is during qualifications each firearm is inspected by a range instructor. Unless it looks stock, they will remove it, have you go to the armorer and have them install stock parts. More importantly, (GOD FORBID!) if I should ever get involved in a shooting, I'll only be covered by the NYPD if it is a department approved firearm. They actually take your gun away and go over it with a fine tooth comb after a shooting. |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 9:55:43 AM EDT
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What a bunch of jerks first you have to carry an anemic 9mm then you have to have to use two fingers to pull the trigger because they are so scared of a A/D and the media wonders why they have to shoot the suspects 22 times ? Because one or two isn't going to do it?
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Posted: 1/23/2002 10:15:37 AM EDT
[#8]
Obviously, you're a big .45 fan, me too pal. It wasn't 22 times, it was 41. Thanks for your help so far... |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 10:20:42 AM EDT
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wow there was actually a time where they put 41 rounds into a suspect? everytime I here of a police shootin its always around 12 rounds or so.
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Posted: 1/23/2002 10:24:39 AM EDT
[#10]
this is not the point of my original thread. |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 10:31:19 AM EDT
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Is the trigger pull in anyway rough or is it just that it's heavy. If there's a problem other than the weight, I would think that a good armorer could smooth it out (although I admit that I'm not too familiar with Glocks).
While installing a different connector might be a good fix for target practice, I'd hate to be in your shoes if the media and an overzealous prosecuter get a hold of you in a real world shooting. Sounds like you might be better off going with another sidearm. You mentioned the Mini-Cougar. Are there other options that you might be allowed to consider? |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 10:37:15 AM EDT
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hmmn I'm thinking that the spring is too damn heavy. I remember shooting the Glock 26 with the stock springs and that was beautiful. IIRC, the other NYPD duty-approved "backup" weapons are 1) Beretta Mini Cougar (my very first off duty weapon which I still have in my safe) 2) A couple of S&W semi auto 9mm's(don't remember which) 3) Kahr K9 The duty weapons are a choice between S&W 5946 or Glock 19 |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 10:39:04 AM EDT
[#13]
C'mon, you know the drill. That also makes a good case for your arguement. The problem in that incident, was the police were shooting away and the guy wasn't reacting to being shot. It might have something to do with the 12 lb connector. The heavier the trigger pull the less likely you are to be able to consistently hit what you are aiming at. The heavier the trigger pull the more likely you are to "dip" the muzzle as you squeeze the trigger. To paraphrase "It's hits that count......" We have 8lb springs, not too bad, not to good. Before that mine hade the stock Glock setup 5lb spring, and another guy had a 3.5 lb target Glock setup. There is a noticable difference in those setups. Our policy says 8lb triggers, but doesn't specify a connector......so my friend has a 3.5 connector, he says it is smooth and is about 6lbs altogether. |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 10:43:22 AM EDT
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Waverunner;
This is your personal pistol, but must be inspected / approved by Dept. armorers, yes? Give Glock's L.E. division a call...I,m pretty sure they have a toll free #, (bound to have some info at www.glock.com)...and ask their people what, if anything, can be done while staying within the regs. Also, I believe NYPD approves the Kahr pistols, and while they won't work with Glock mags, the P9 series guns are great little handguns with trigger actions as smooth as butter and much more concealable thah the Glocks. Carry extra mags if you need the firepower. Good Luck |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 11:18:43 AM EDT
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It sounds like you have the NY2 trigger spring (orange) and not the NY1 spring (olive). Is that right?
I don't have a problem with the NY1 but it's only supposed to be 8 pounds rather than the 12 of the NY2. It's too bad that you can't use the 3.5 pound connector. Just FYI, the Glock trigger spring helps move the trigger instead of resisting it. So even though the NY2 creates a heavier trigger than the stock part, it's actually a weaker spring. This means that you can't lighten the trigger pull by clipping or otherwise weakening the trigger spring. Aside from polishing the parts of your Glock's trigger mechanism I can't think of anything that would lighten the pull without either violating regulations or compromising the reliability of the pistol. |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 11:22:31 AM EDT
[#16]
Yes it's orange...so that the inspectors can easily identify it during qualifications I suppose. Polish the parts of the trigger mechanism, hmmmn now there's a thought! I'm no certified Glock armorer how would I go about doing this without me wrecking my gun? |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 11:29:57 AM EDT
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I have seen NY trigger with 3.5 disconnector, I don't think your instructor will notice t he different disconnector, since it is not color coded. if you can get away, it actually make your pull very nice and smooth with out having to worry about AD.
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Posted: 1/23/2002 1:28:19 PM EDT
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Waverunner,
How is it going brother? Using trigger reset may help a bit with quick follow up shots, as it reduces a bit of the take up on the trigger. It will not lighten you pull, but may speed up your second (and successive) shot times. Not a Dept. approved method of course, and not one I necessarily approve of myself in all situations, but it may be something you can try, if you don't use the method already. If you do apply trigger reset, please disregard the post, and shame on me for buttin' in. Be safe, Mike NYPD Warrants Div |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 2:05:52 PM EDT
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There isn't really much to polish up on a Glock action, and that isn't the problem anyway. The problem is the NY2 trigger, and it isn't going to really go away unless the trigger is replaced. As people have mentioned, you might get away with installing the 3.5lb connector (marked with a minus) or 5lb connector (unmarked) instead of the 8lb connector (marked with a plus), but if you know it's going to get you in trouble in the event of a shooting, I'd advise against it.
The gun isn't the problem; the department management is the problem. -Troy |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 2:06:00 PM EDT
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Hey Wave ,
Two things you can do : 1. Shoot the shit out of your 26 , this will lighten the pull up a bit ( 1 or 2 llbs ) 2. See me at the range and I will take care of it for you ( Instructors have our ways ) For the guy that said the Instructor would not identify the 3.5 connector you are mistaken , it usually has a - mark on it identifying it. Polishing it does very little , overall the best bet is to put alot of rounds through it. Oh yeah if I were you I would stay away from the mini cougar. Take care |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 4:38:14 PM EDT
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Jack is that you? You've been MIA from this board for awhile. I'll give you a call, I still want to hook up with you at the range since the day that plane came down in Queens and kind of ruined our shooting plans. |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 4:39:47 PM EDT
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Can you explain the trigger reset technique for everyone else here...especially me? |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 5:00:42 PM EDT
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Waverunner,
Just take the #3.5 connector and a set of metal stamps. Turn the - into a +, install and forget about it. If you get caught, deny everything, pretend to be firearms ignorant and pretend that the gun came that way. Karl |
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Posted: 1/23/2002 7:31:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2002 11:07:23 PM EDT
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If you fire a Glock and keep holding the trigger back after the shot, it isn't necessary to allow the trigger to go all the way forward for the trigger to reset itself. Just let it go slightly forward, and you will feel it click and reset. You can now fire another shot. This gives you follow-up shots with no trigger takeup, and is very, very fast, kind of like a single-action trigger. Of course, it does take practice to get it right. -Troy |
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Posted: 1/24/2002 9:44:38 AM EDT
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Troy,
Thanks for the assist, I couldn't get on sooner. You are indeed correct, it does take a bit of range time to get it down, but once you master it you will see an improvement on follow up shot times. Give it a try 'runner Be safe, Mike |
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Posted: 1/24/2002 1:49:54 PM EDT
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Trigger reset works great in some pistols such as Glocks and S&W’s. With these guns, a slight forward movement of the trigger and you’re back in business. You can almost shoot them like machineguns.
However, I’ve found that it doesn’t work well in Sig’s since the trigger must travel forward quite a bit to reset. Plus, the Sig has a pretty weak trigger return spring. On a Sig, it is very easy to NOT let the trigger go far enough forward to reengage the sear. Thus, when you again pull the trigger - the gun doesn’t go off!!! I’ve concluded that in an actual gunfight, trying a trigger reset with a Sig is a good way to get killed. |
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