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Posted: 1/16/2002 2:59:11 PM EDT
[#1]
If you can, bring along a digicam & post a pic here for the rest of us scum to drool over. If it isn't wussified, I'll take one.
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Posted: 1/16/2002 3:09:08 PM EDT
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This is great news! May hold off on the AR180b to see if this pans out. Isrealis make some cool stuff.
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Posted: 1/16/2002 3:15:22 PM EDT
[#3]
I'll take one if its under $1000 bucks.
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Posted: 1/16/2002 3:31:25 PM EDT
[#4]
I bet this rifle will be around $1300 retail.
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Posted: 1/16/2002 3:33:17 PM EDT
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If berret is going to bring it in chances are it wont be cheap.
and i agree ill take one also if it isnt basterdized to the max |
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Posted: 1/16/2002 5:13:37 PM EDT
[#6]
I've seen the civilian version. It actually looks better than the military rifle. It does'nt have that "AUG like hangaurd" in front of the grip. Just a pistol grip and a trigger gaurd. Of course there is no flash hider. It still has the optics rail on top with flip-up sights. The best thing about this rilfe is that it is way shorter than an AR15 carbine, even with the same barrel length.
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Posted: 1/16/2002 5:28:58 PM EDT
[#7]
Are there pics on the Barrett site?
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Posted: 1/16/2002 7:28:06 PM EDT
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I'll be at SHOT.. I will try and get a picture and post it. If it's cool, I'll also buy one there <G>
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Posted: 1/16/2002 8:04:01 PM EDT
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Here's a post from AssaultWeb...
assaultweb.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002126.html I think the poster works for Barrett. |
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Posted: 1/16/2002 9:09:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2002 9:50:00 PM EDT
[#11]
YES! YESYESYESYES!
YESSSSS! Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy... Please, share the updates the instant you get them-I will have the distinction of being first on the waiting list. I want. I need. I hunger. I await. Juggernaut |
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Posted: 1/16/2002 10:02:32 PM EDT
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Hmmmm....Vuck it, i'll buy one anyways and sell off some other guns.  time to correct my mistake of not buying an AUG those years ago... lib |
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Posted: 1/16/2002 10:21:40 PM EDT
[#13]
We need to get Jojo to get some pics for us. He's going to Shot Show thanks to 1GUNRUNNER.
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Posted: 1/17/2002 4:45:23 AM EDT
[#14]
This thing looks mighty cool, but I don't see a charging handle. How do you cock the thing? :)
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Posted: 1/17/2002 4:49:54 AM EDT
[#15]
Looks like a bull pup
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Posted: 1/17/2002 6:40:04 AM EDT
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That might be because it is a bullpup. 
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Posted: 1/17/2002 8:01:37 AM EDT
[#17]
Finaly another a bullpup on the market
! I can't wait to get my hands on a STAR, or any Tavor for that matter. MUST.....AQUIRE.....ISREALI.....BULLPUP! |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 9:13:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2002 9:42:43 AM EDT
[#19]
AHHHH, even the civilian version is sweet! It takes AR mags does it not? Who makes it and when will it be avalible?
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Posted: 1/17/2002 10:20:06 AM EDT
[#20]
I don't like the changes done to "civilize" the Tavor.
I understand why it can't sport a flash hider, but why did they tamper with the forend, pistol grip. and butt end of the weapon??? Oh, and those flip up sights...give me a break! The damn thing has the sight radius of a handgun! Should have kept it the same IMHO. |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 10:30:41 AM EDT
[#21]
Looks pretty cool.
Just for those who haven't seen the details on the military version www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/tar.htm The sights on the civillian version look pretty high above the bore. How does that work with trajectory and zero? |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 10:34:20 AM EDT
[#22]
i'm a bit disappointed. i never liked blockish looking guns, and that certainly is one unattractive rifle (the military one is a bit more curvy...not just a feature you find in women).
i think they need to do a run in green or perhapse a sand colored yello/brown, like armalite and cavalry arms. i might be inclined to buy one if it is under $800 or so. i agree on the poor sight radium, this is one gun that just begs for some really good battery powered optics. sloth |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 10:38:13 AM EDT
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I like the look of the civy version, It definitely can be improved. I figure KAC can make a RAS style handguard for it, mount an Aimpoint to the top rail with an ARMS throwlever, thread and pin a fake G3 flash hider on it, and it uses M16 mags, woooooo. nice.
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Posted: 1/17/2002 10:40:59 AM EDT
[#24]
Aw, crud-
Who beat my favorite bullpup with an ugly stick?? They sure as heck didn't need to turn it into a blocky monstrosity that to get it into the country...Darn it  .Juggernaut |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 10:53:52 AM EDT
[#25]
I wonder if they will be offering different barrel lengths.
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Posted: 1/17/2002 11:03:39 AM EDT
[#26]
There are absolutely NO similarties (that I can see) between the Mil and Civ gun. I don't see why Tavor would incur that much expense to build 2 different guns.
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Posted: 1/17/2002 11:13:14 AM EDT
[#27]
Figures, neh? I get hyped, and then this happens. I find a bullpup that might be made here-love the design, can't afford an AUG. Positivley awesome styled body- contrasting lines, curves, and even built in "shelving" on the stock's contours. Even a handguard. Ergonomics of the entire thing look very comfortable-even down to the angles of the forward grip to keep your hand in place. And to top it off, it uses ar15 magazines, which I have plenty of. What do they do? They make a version that looks like a cross between an oar, an M17 and and the grip of a Beretta Cougar- with a wever rail that looks like it was bolted to the top of the gun, rather than made to flow like the mount of the Mil. version. And, it's only got bleeding FLIP UP sights! What we're to poor here in the USA to buy optics? No panache. No zing. Really, really ugly. DANG! Juggernaut |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 11:33:14 AM EDT
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IT'S A GUN ! styled body?...lines? curves?... I don't think shooters care if the have the most "stylish" piece at the range, nor do professional users. If you have to be the prettiest guy at the range, maybe you can get a designer leather handbag to carry your ammo in. |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 11:40:43 AM EDT
[#29]
Just a little photoshop mod on the new tavor.
 Fake G3 hider, Aimpoint, M16 mag, we just got to make KAC produce a RAS for this gun. |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 11:57:50 AM EDT
[#30]
Sometimes it sucks being left handed.
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Posted: 1/17/2002 12:04:52 PM EDT
[#31]
The military model allows for the rile to be taken down, bolt and ejection changed, and put back together for a lefty in a few minutes, per the link I posted a ways back. Not quick enough to do in combat when you want to switch shoulders, but if the civy version has this ability you should be able to have a dedicated southpaw bullpup. Find something else to be bummed out about (try the Democrats, works for me). |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 12:07:31 PM EDT
[#32]
Just checking
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Posted: 1/17/2002 12:09:36 PM EDT
[#33]
Function above all else-I own an Uzi, and think that they are ugly too. I still love it. Hwoever-whoever is the US Manf. made a really cool looking gun really really ugly. Why? Probably saved a few bucks on the molds. What a shame. Sure, I would not buy an unreliable rifle, no matter how sleek-but when you ruin the original design to include a stock like a 6" club without a legality reason, it's hardly wrong to comment on how ugly it is. It's also upsetting when we've been drooling over the IMI original for a year. Juggernaut |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 12:14:48 PM EDT
[#34]
Is this thing California legal or is that pistol grip and assault buttplate combination a no no? Why do I even bother to ask...
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Posted: 1/17/2002 12:16:26 PM EDT
[#35]
PS, this thing looks like a Calico with a few extra pounds on her behind.
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Posted: 1/17/2002 12:25:46 PM EDT
[#36]
Everything is convertable to "left hand" there is an ejection port on each side it has a cover on the left side in the photos. You have to buy another bolt though. Even the safety and the charging handle can be swaped to the other side. |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 12:27:33 PM EDT
[#37]
I am not sure if I am doing the math right, but am I correct in saying it weights 8 pounds loaded? Not too much better than an M16A2. Lots shorter though (28").
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Posted: 1/17/2002 12:31:28 PM EDT
[#38]
Yep, Why should I pay $1300 + improvements for a Tavor, when I can pay $650 for a M17S + improvements. 
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Posted: 1/17/2002 1:29:00 PM EDT
[#39]
that pistol grip makes it illegal for Kalifornia comsumption. |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 1:45:09 PM EDT
[#40]
wow they effed up my next gun purchase!
i was going to get a:  and no i find out thats its a:  i wouldnt buy that ugly thing if i had consumed a bottle of hoppes bore solvent expect there to be a run on preban bushie17's cause this is a major dud sure you can dress the tavor up, but it allready costs big $$$ like my daddy told me "son, you just cant polish a turd" |
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Posted: 1/17/2002 2:25:19 PM EDT
[#41]
Is it just me or does the civie Tavor look alot more like the SAR-21 the the Tavor? Personaly I like the looks of it, would have prefeered an AUGish handguard like the origional, but overall I'm still phyced about it!
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Posted: 1/17/2002 2:36:31 PM EDT
[#42]
actually the civilian version your seeing is the special forces version, except theirs has an intergal silencer. check the IDF link above to see the politically incorrect version of the "civilian" Tavor. lib |
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Posted: 1/18/2002 7:04:05 PM EDT
[#43]
Umm how can they import it if it accepts Hi-caps?
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Posted: 1/18/2002 7:32:11 PM EDT
[#44]
I LIKE the civy version! But, that doesn't look like any AR mag I've ever seen.
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Posted: 1/18/2002 7:42:19 PM EDT
[#45]
It's gonna be made here. Look at my original post. |
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Posted: 1/18/2002 8:27:21 PM EDT
[#46]
 That civi version is one ugly pos. If thats what their gonna sell, cross me off the list It figures, they take a nice clean looking military rifle and fu@k it over till it looks like a high-point pimp stick.  the fudged this up real bad IMO |
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Posted: 1/19/2002 5:58:20 AM EDT
[#47]
Well for us lefties it will be awesome.
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Posted: 1/19/2002 7:04:27 AM EDT
[#48]
The civ version pictured was the special forces version without the silencer, so there is the possibility that they might come out with the other 'flavors'.
I still really like the civ version pictured
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Posted: 1/19/2002 8:56:57 PM EDT
[#49]
The civilian version is awesome.
It actually looks like it was engineered, and tooled up for production. To me the "issue" Tavor looks like it was hastily sculpted out of bondo over the top of the Bushy M17. (And is it just me, or does the civie version look kinda like the Hayes Plasma Rifle from Terminator II?). Sweet. Put me down for one. havoc |
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Posted: 1/19/2002 11:09:20 PM EDT
[#50]
From the Israeli Special Forces Weapons Guide:
....However, it seems that the TAR chances of actually be adopted by the IDF are slim, as the IDF is already buying mass sums of the Flattop M4 (M4A1) which is a much cheaper as well as combat proven weapon. |
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