I LIVE IN THE PORTLAND METRO AREA IN OREGON AND WE HAD A GUN SHOW THIS WEEKEND. SO I WENT TO THE GUN SHOW AND LOOKED FOR SOME GUN PARTS,AND BOUGHT SOME RE-LOADING STUFF THAT I NEEDED. I AM IN THE PROCESS OF BEGINING TO BUILD MY FIRST AR-15 SO I HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON LAWS AND SUCH ON PRE-BAN AND POST-BAN AND WHAT IS LEGAL AND WHAT IS NOT LEGAL. SO ANYWAY I HAVE DECIDED TO GO WITH AN OLYMPIC ARMS LOWER. SO I WAS AT THE GUN SHOW AND I CAME ACROSS THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL SELLING PARTS FOR AR-15'S. HE HAD A FULLY ASSEMBLED OLYMPIC ARMS LOWER. SO I ASKED HIM WAS IT PRE-BAN OR POST-BAN AND WHAT WAS THE COST. SO HE BEGAN TO TELL ME THAT THE RECIEVER WAS AN OLYMPIC ARMS PRE-BAN LOWER RECIEVER. THEN HE STATED THAT HE WANTED $635.00 FOR THIS RECIEVER. I ALMOST BEGAN LAUGHING AT SUCH AN INFLATED PRICE,BUT I KEPT MY COOL AND ASKED HIM IF HE HAD PROOF THAT IT WAS A PRE-BAN LOWER,HE SAID WELL YOU COULD CHECK THE SERIAL NUMBERS BUT BECAUSE OF THE FIRE AT OLYMPIC ARMS THAT IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO VERIFY. SO I ASKED HIM WELL TO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAWS CONCERNING PRE-BAN RIFLES CAN YOU PROVE TO ME THAT THIS LOWER WAS ASSEMBLED INTO A COMPLETE RIFLE BEFORE THE ENACTMENT OF LAWS PERTAINING TO PRE-BAN RIFLES. THEN HE SAID WELL HE COULD NOT BECAUSE OF THE FIRE AT OLYMPIC ARMS RECORDS WERE DESTROYED AND THAT EVEN IF I WERE TO BE QUESTIONED BY THE ATF ABOUT THE RECIEVER THAT THE BURDEN OF PROOF WOULD BE ON THE ATF AND OLYMPIC ARMS AND NOT ME. WELL RED LIGHTS BEGAN TO GO OFF, FIRST MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW AND I MIGHT BE WRONG, AND IF SO THEN I STAND CORRECTED,BUT THAT EVEN IF A LOWER RECIEVER WAS MANUFACTURED BEFORE THE BAN DATE THAT THE LOWER RECIEVER HAD TO BE ASSEMBLED INTO A FULL RIFLE BEFORE THE BAN DATE, AND THAT IF THE RECIEVER WAS ASSEMBLED INTO A COMPLETE RIFLE AFTER THE BAN DATE THEN TECHNIQUALLY THE RECIEVER WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A POST-BAN RECIEVER.SECOND RED LIGHT TO ME WAS THE PRICE. $635.00 FOR A COMPLETE PRE-BAN LOWER RECIEVER TO ME IS INSANE,MAYBE I JUST LIKE THE PRICE OF AN OLY ARMS POST-BAN RECIEVER AT $125.00 BUT HIS PRICE JUST SEEMED INSANE TO ME. THIRD RED LIGHT WAS HIS IDEOLOGY OF THAT IT WOULD BE THE ATF'S NEED FOR BURDEN OF PROOF AND NOT MINE SO ANYWAY I DID NOT BUY THE RECIEVER,I WISH I HAD GOTTEN THE GUYS NAME BUT I DID NOT,BUT I FIND ALL OF THIS QUITE DISHEARTENING FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS BUT ONE IS THAT SOME DEALERS,AND I EMPHISIZE ON SOME DEALERS  AT GUN SHOWS, LIKE TO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE AND BREAK THE LAW IN THE PROCESS, I LIKE BEING ABLE TO GO TO GUN SHOWS AND I HAVE FREQUENTED MANY IN ALL OF THESE YEARS BUT IT JUST STRIKES ME AS AN ODD THING THAT THESE GUYS WOULD WANT TO BE DISHONEST SINCE THERE IS A BILL BEING DISCUSSED ABOUT TOTAL FEDERAL TAKEOVER OF GUN SHOWS NATIONWIDE. I AM NOT FLAMEING GUN SHOWS IN GENERAL BUT YOU JUST WOULD THINK THAT SOME OF THESE GUYS WOULD GET A CLUE.I GUESS WHAT I AM AFTER IS THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW CORRECT,IS THIS DEALER OFFERING INSANE PRICES, AND I DO KNOW THAT OLYMPIC ARMS HAS SOME SERIAL NUMBERS AVAILABLE BECAUSE I HAVE CHECKED THEIR WEB SITE AND THEY HAVE SOME NUMBERS AVAILABLE SO MY FIRST GUESS IS THAT THIS GUY WAS LIEING TO ME. I THINK IN THIS DAY IN AGE I JUST MIGHT STICK TO POST-BAN RECIEVERS,AND IN THE NEAR FUTURE GO FOR THE 80% LOWER RECIEVERS. I KNOW THAT THINGS COST MONEY AND SOME TIMES YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR,BUT THAT AMOUNT JUST SEEMED UNREAL TO ME.

Please turn off the caps lock key and repost so people will actually read what you have written.

The price is ballpark for a real preban receiver by Oly.  A Colt would cost even more than that.

That stuff about the burden of proof being on ATF may be true.  Care to try it?

You were smart to walk away without verifying whether this really was a preban.

Oh, and the Caps Lock key is on the left side of the keyboard . . .

Ouch that hurts!!!

WHAT DID YOU SAY??????????????????????

I DID'NT UNDERSTAND A word YOU SAID!!!!!!!!!!



NAKED and DEAF!!!

Wow! Now this is what you can call a screaming post!

ummm, CAPS LOCK OFF!!!!!
Paragraphs are not a new invention and are free of charge to those who choose.........

IF YOU WANT DETAILS ABOUT THE FIRE AT OLYMPIC ARMS AND ALSO A SERIAL NUMBER CHECKLIST ON THEIR RIFLES GO TO THEIR WEB SITE AT:
www.olyarms.com/usa.html  AND CLICK ON THE LINK "CHECK YOUR SERIAL NUMBER"

I can't HEAR YOU!!!  

HUH?? I CUNT HEAR YOU, I HAVE AN EAR-INFUCTION, CAN YOU FINGER IT OUT FOR ME??

IDAHO-AR15

I'll buy pre ban lowers all day for $635!

It hurt to much to read that post I have to go lay down now and cover my eyes....

John

sorry all i will repost so it can be read without the strain in the eyes!!!!!!!!!