how should I lighten up my scout Mosin?

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Posted: 11/22/2012 4:57:58 PM EDT

I am thinking about making a new magazine well/ trigger guard out of aluminum. I will reuse the steel follower assembly and use a steel pivot pin.

I may try to eliminate the butt plate or make an aluminum one to replace it as well. Maybe I could try a soft rubber pad even though it does not need it?

Any thoughts?

This was just a fun project from the start. I have a machine shop so I can fabricate the parts if they are not too complicated. I am not interested in discussing practicality. Just ideas.

Posted: 11/22/2012 5:12:08 PM EDT

[#1]

you'd probably get more weight loss by taking off the buttplate and boring out the unneeded portions with a spade bit and putting the buttplate back on to hide the work.

advntrjnky

Posted: 11/22/2012 5:22:25 PM EDT

[#2]

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you'd probably get more weight loss by taking off the buttplate and boring out the unneeded portions with a spade bit and putting the buttplate back on to hide the work.

advntrjnky

It has very little recoil. It wouldn't crack the stock if I leave some meat on it.

Posted: 11/22/2012 5:42:48 PM EDT

[#3]

Synthetic stock?

Posted: 11/22/2012 5:49:02 PM EDT

[#4]

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Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

Posted: 11/22/2012 5:51:17 PM EDT

[#5]

I would like to see an aluminum magazine and trigger guard. Maybe mill the bolt handle to a threaded male nub and have an aluminum bolt handle which could be threaded on ( think hollow rod).

Posted: 11/22/2012 5:55:49 PM EDT

[#6]

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I would like to see an aluminum magazine and trigger guard. Maybe mill the bolt handle to a threaded male nub and have an aluminum bolt handle which could be threaded on ( think hollow rod).

New bolt knob would be easy.

Posted: 11/22/2012 5:56:10 PM EDT

[#7]

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Quoted:
Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

Those ATI synthetic stocks aren't very light either, you'd probably gain weight.

Posted: 11/22/2012 6:04:57 PM EDT

[#8]

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Quoted:
Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

I would go this route, not sure how you are sacrificing character at this point with all you have done to it. I mean this in the kindest way

Posted: 11/22/2012 6:17:33 PM EDT

[#9]

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Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

I would go this route, not sure how you are sacrificing character at this point with all you have done to it. I mean this in the kindest way

Synthetic stocks don't have battle damage on them. This is a piece of military history. I did modify it, but it retains most of its character.

Posted: 11/22/2012 6:25:28 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

I would go this route, not sure how you are sacrificing character at this point with all you have done to it. I mean this in the kindest way

Synthetic stocks don't have battle damage on them. This is a piece of military history. I did modify it, but it retains most of its character.

As much as I would like to agree with you, the rifle you posses after the modifications has pretty much taken away from any history/value it had left. The stock is cut, not in the correct finish and the buttplate does not match up to the stock correctly. IMHO I think you left history at the door a while back.

Again I mean this in the kindest way possible. You are asking about lightening it up, not preserving history. A far as battle damage goes there were so many Mosins produced there is no way of telling if it ever saw the battle field. For all you know at this point they could be storage marks.

Posted: 11/22/2012 6:38:51 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

I would go this route, not sure how you are sacrificing character at this point with all you have done to it. I mean this in the kindest way

Synthetic stocks don't have battle damage on them. This is a piece of military history. I did modify it, but it retains most of its character.

As much as I would like to agree with you, the rifle you posses after the modifications has pretty much taken away from any history/value it had left. The stock is cut, not in the correct finish and the buttplate does not match up to the stock correctly. IMHO I think you left history at the door a while back.

Again I mean this in the kindest way possible. You are asking about lightening it up, not preserving history. A far as battle damage goes there were so many Mosins produced there is no way of telling if it ever saw the battle field. For all you know at this point they could be storage marks.

The butt plate fits the way it did when I bought it.

The damage looks as if a soldier was carrying it because one side has more damage than the other. Like it was banging up against other gear. No way to tell though. I like that it looks carried.

Honestly, any man or woman who carried this rifle in WWII would approve of the changes I made. It is a pleasure to shoot. I just want to continue the project to see how far I can take it. Not sure about the stock yet.

Posted: 11/22/2012 6:53:45 PM EDT

[#12]

IN MOTHER RUSSIA,

MOSIN LIGHTEN YOU !

Posted: 11/22/2012 7:04:49 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

I would go this route, not sure how you are sacrificing character at this point with all you have done to it. I mean this in the kindest way

Synthetic stocks don't have battle damage on them. This is a piece of military history. I did modify it, but it retains most of its character.

As much as I would like to agree with you, the rifle you posses after the modifications has pretty much taken away from any history/value it had left. The stock is cut, not in the correct finish and the buttplate does not match up to the stock correctly. IMHO I think you left history at the door a while back.

Again I mean this in the kindest way possible. You are asking about lightening it up, not preserving history. A far as battle damage goes there were so many Mosins produced there is no way of telling if it ever saw the battle field. For all you know at this point they could be storage marks.

Honestly, any man or woman who carried this rifle in WWII would approve of the changes I made.

Again, I do appreciate what you are doing with the project.

But, this would be one thing I would have to disagree with. To say any soldier in WWII who would have carried a Mosin would approve of the changes you have made is a huge stretch. Those who trusted their life to it would appreciate originality and most likely not something modified greatly from the original configuration.

Posted: 11/22/2012 7:31:14 PM EDT

[#14]

weld a half inch rebar pistol grip on the receiver; dump the wood stock.

Posted: 11/22/2012 9:48:37 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

I would go this route, not sure how you are sacrificing character at this point with all you have done to it. I mean this in the kindest way

Synthetic stocks don't have battle damage on them. This is a piece of military history. I did modify it, but it retains most of its character.

As much as I would like to agree with you, the rifle you posses after the modifications has pretty much taken away from any history/value it had left. The stock is cut, not in the correct finish and the buttplate does not match up to the stock correctly. IMHO I think you left history at the door a while back.

Again I mean this in the kindest way possible. You are asking about lightening it up, not preserving history. A far as battle damage goes there were so many Mosins produced there is no way of telling if it ever saw the battle field. For all you know at this point they could be storage marks.

Honestly, any man or woman who carried this rifle in WWII would approve of the changes I made.

Again, I do appreciate what you are doing with the project.

But, this would be one thing I would have to disagree with. To say any soldier in WWII who would have carried a Mosin would approve of the changes you have made is a huge stretch. Those who trusted their life to it would appreciate originality and most likely not something modified greatly from the original configuration.

Know many soldiers? One thing we do well is bitch about gear. You give us a big, heavy rifle and we see some other schmoe with a shorter one, we are gonna want the shorter one. That guys rifle doesn't kick like a mule and still kills shit dead? Sign me the hell up! I promise you we want lighter and easier.

Posted: 11/22/2012 9:55:57 PM EDT

[#16]

I'm going with drilling the stock out a bit with a spade bit ala' M1 Garand/ M14.

Also, I'm finally getting around to finishing my project. What sight are you using?

Posted: 11/23/2012 3:30:30 AM EDT

[#17]

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I'm going with drilling the stock out a bit with a spade bit ala' M1 Garand/ M14.

Also, I'm finally getting around to finishing my project. What sight are you using?

I have an Ultradot on mine. It is a great sight, but it lacks a bit in precision. I think it willbe replaced in the future by a regular scout scope.

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:04:37 AM EDT

[#18]

8lb 11oz

I think I will drill the stock today and make a new bolt handle and see if I can drop that 11oz. I will decide on a new butt plate too.

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:07:57 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

I think at this point you should be past that

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:18:42 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
I'm going with drilling the stock out a bit with a spade bit ala' M1 Garand/ M14.

Also, I'm finally getting around to finishing my project. What sight are you using?

I came in to post this.

All I got at the moment. (alot of good it does, when two other folks already mentioned it

)

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:21:09 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

I think at this point you should be past that

Can I save weight that way?

I think the original stock still shows lots of character so I do want to keep it.

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:42:26 AM EDT

[#22]

The buttplate is pretty light to begin with and I don't know that the mag assembly weighs all that much, either. I think you'd have to go after wood or the barrel/receiver to see any real weight savings.

To be honest, I don't know where to start, except by loosing wood.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 4:50:12 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Synthetic stock?

I am wondering that myself. It looses so much character that way.

I would go this route, not sure how you are sacrificing character at this point with all you have done to it. I mean this in the kindest way

Synthetic stocks don't have battle damage on them. This is a piece of military history. I did modify it, but it retains most of its character.

As much as I would like to agree with you, the rifle you posses after the modifications has pretty much taken away from any history/value it had left. The stock is cut, not in the correct finish and the buttplate does not match up to the stock correctly. IMHO I think you left history at the door a while back.

Again I mean this in the kindest way possible. You are asking about lightening it up, not preserving history. A far as battle damage goes there were so many Mosins produced there is no way of telling if it ever saw the battle field. For all you know at this point they could be storage marks.

Honestly, any man or woman who carried this rifle in WWII would approve of the changes I made.

Again, I do appreciate what you are doing with the project.

But, this would be one thing I would have to disagree with. To say any soldier in WWII who would have carried a Mosin would approve of the changes you have made is a huge stretch. Those who trusted their life to it would appreciate originality and most likely not something modified greatly from the original configuration.

Know many soldiers? One thing we do well is bitch about gear. You give us a big, heavy rifle and we see some other schmoe with a shorter one, we are gonna want the shorter one. That guys rifle doesn't kick like a mule and still kills shit dead? Sign me the hell up! I promise you we want lighter and easier.

Conscript soldiers, trained in the "Soviet way is best way" doctrine?

Can't see them getting the warm fuzzies about modifications made by someone else, especially by guys who they might eventually have to use said weapon against.

Personally, I think they'd view it as an abomination. Too radical for them to embrace. Maybe eventually, but not when they first saw it.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:29:02 AM EDT

[#24]

I drilled out and significantly hollowed the stock and only dropped 3oz...I was dissapointed wood weighs so little! Haha.

Posted: 11/23/2012 8:37:28 AM EDT

[#25]

do shallow flutes on the bbl?

Posted: 11/23/2012 10:01:53 AM EDT

[#26]

Getting rid of the optic and going to iron sights would lighten it up.

Something like these maybe

Posted: 11/23/2012 10:04:00 AM EDT

[#27]

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do shallow flutes on the bbl?

I can loose 3 more oz if I dump the butt plate, but I have to cover the holes I made so it has to have something there. I may try to make a thinner aluminum butt plate.

Posted: 11/23/2012 10:07:17 AM EDT

[#28]

buy a generic plastic buttplate from Brownells or Numrich.

advntrjnky

Quoted:

Quoted:
do shallow flutes on the bbl?

I can loose 3 more oz if I dump the butt plate, but I have to cover the holes I made so it has to have something there. I may try to make a thinner aluminum butt plate.

Posted: 11/23/2012 10:49:31 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:

do shallow flutes on the bbl?

I can loose 3 more oz if I dump the butt plate, but I have to cover the holes I made so it has to have something there. I may try to make a thinner aluminum butt plate.

Make one from home made micarta

Posted: 11/23/2012 11:56:41 AM EDT

[#30]

I think I am just barking up the wrong tree with trying to lighten this rifle. It really isn't bad now. I just thought it would be a fun project.

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:09:49 PM EDT

[#31]

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Getting rid of the optic and going to iron sights would lighten it up.

Something like these maybe
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/2753123858/6095892/4c5c12b45092312661957718d81678cc.jpg

I tossed this together from spare parts a while back. It's a hex Model 91 that had no rifling in the last 6" of the barrel. The rest is not perfect, but it should make a decent cast bullet shooter. I cut the barrel back and crowned the muzzle. The only issue I have now is the lack of sights. The set in your pic look like they would work well. Where can I get a set like that?

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:16:14 PM EDT

[#32]

Williams Gun Sight Company......many to choose from.

advntrjnky

Quoted:

Quoted:
Getting rid of the optic and going to iron sights would lighten it up.

Something like these maybe
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/2753123858/6095892/4c5c12b45092312661957718d81678cc.jpg

I tossed this together from spare parts a while back. It's a hex Model 91 that had no rifling in the last 6" of the barrel. The rest is not perfect, but it should make a decent cast bullet shooter. I cut the barrel back and crowned the muzzle. The only issue I have now is the lack of sights. The set in your pic look like they would work well. Where can I get a set like that?

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/100_2653.jpg

Posted: 11/23/2012 5:14:37 PM EDT

[#33]

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I think I am just barking up the wrong tree with trying to lighten this rifle. It really isn't bad now. I just thought it would be a fun project.

It seems like you had already made up your mind before you made this thread.

Posted: 11/23/2012 5:23:02 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think I am just barking up the wrong tree with trying to lighten this rifle. It really isn't bad now. I just thought it would be a fun project.

It seems like you had already made up your mind before you made this thread.

I actually did what was recommend so.........

Posted: 11/23/2012 6:07:54 PM EDT

[#35]

I've seen where the Finns spoterize them by cutting down the magazine box to be almost flush with the bottom of the wood. it probably only holds 2+1rds, but would save another couple or few ounces.

advntrjnky

ETA: instead of making an aluminum bolt handle you could drill some metal out of the one you have. I would imagine the weight savings would be about the the same....minimal, but measurable.

Posted: 11/23/2012 6:17:45 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Getting rid of the optic and going to iron sights would lighten it up.

Something like these maybe
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/2753123858/6095892/4c5c12b45092312661957718d81678cc.jpg

I tossed this together from spare parts a while back. It's a hex Model 91 that had no rifling in the last 6" of the barrel. The rest is not perfect, but it should make a decent cast bullet shooter. I cut the barrel back and crowned the muzzle. The only issue I have now is the lack of sights. The set in your pic look like they would work well. Where can I get a set like that?

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/100_2653.jpg

Rear
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/695571/remington-rear-sight-assembly-remington-700-870-less-base-screws

Front
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/356206/remington-front-sight-ramp-remington-6-7600-steel-blue

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