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Posted: 10/22/2004 7:08:51 AM EDT
I've listed as many gun companies I can think of right now.
So who do you refuse to buy firearms from, and more importantly, why? Company policy is what I'm getting at, but workmanship applies as well. Edited to add: I could only put so many on, but these were the ones I hear people say the most they will never buy again for one reason or another. If you have one not on the list, please share! |
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I must be missing something....why have some people stopped buying from Glock?
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also wondering why |
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It's a personal thing for me, I just don't like Glock.
*dons flame retardant suit* |
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I had boycotted S&W over their dealings with H.U.D., but, they were bought by an American investor group some time ago, the Brits are gone.
Before all that, I had bought a 909 and a 457. I am now the proud owner of a shiney new 686 (got it in time to take it to GunStock!!) *I selected S&W from the poll, but no longer boycott any firearms company. |
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Tupperware envy??? |
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I never started buying from Glock so they are the easiest to boycott |
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I can understand someone hating Ruger. IIRC they refuse to make high capacity magazines for their 10/22's and folding stock's for their mini-14's or something like that and also they right all kinds of stupid stuff on their firearms. Example would be (read instruction because you might shoot yourself and try and sue us).
I look at Glock as making an affordable handgun that gets the job done with one of the toughest frames and finishes around. Also, for people who dont rely/like manual safeties Glock has made one of the safest handguns around. jealousy is not a good reason to hate a manufacturer if there is anyone out there that lame. |
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I boycott Glock due to their poor design. I had one, hated it, sold it off.
Flame on Glockheads! I used to boycott S&W, but now I don't buy from them because I just don't want anything they sell. You forgot to put Bushmaster up on that list. (NOW WE'LL REALLLY SEE SOME FLAMES!!!) |
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Ruger. "Nobody needs more than ten rounds in a magazine", my ass!
Leatherman. (The CEO gave corporate endorsement to John Kerry, so F.O., dirtbag!) Ebay. Anti-gun assholes. I owe them 70-something bucks and I refuse to pay it! CJ |
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Ruger for their politics, past or present I dont' forget. Colt for their current sales policy.
H&K, it's not so much a boycott as a I can't afford it. |
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E-bay suspended my account indefenitly because I tried to sell a Bushmaster AR-15 carry handle. I mentioned that it was made for an AR-15 and they booted me off. That's fine, they will get the first bullet from me when the SHTF.
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Yeah, a big +1 on Leatheman. I boycotted them too. |
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F. None of the above
I own at least one of all of the above & would buy any again tomorrow (I'm going to a gun show tomorrow, so I very well may...). I spend my boycotting efforts on gun-grabbers, liberals, Democrats, and the French - not members of the industry that enables my (... even though they make mistakes sometimes. Cast the first stone and all that... ) |
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www.atf.gov/press/speech/fy00/040700ggdsymposium.htm Yet, no one can come up with DOCUMENTED evidence of what Bill Ruger was ALLEGED to have done. |
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I don't boycott any of these gun makers. I have several of their products.
Chris |
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Interesting that S&W and Glock, who have arguably undermined the Second Amendment are boycotted less than some other companies whose internal company policy decisions have not affected the law in any way.
Some of you folks need to get your heads right. |
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I boycott Ruger because Bill fucking Ruger caved in to the antis on the 10rd mag cap & the rest is history. His blathering about the unwashed masses not needing more than 10rds REALLY fucking pissed me off! I will never buy a Red Label or Vaquero unless its used so Ruger won't get MY money.
Glock jumped on the anti bandwagon also about 1-2 years ago. Their high-up VP of bullshitting came out infavor of ballastic fingerprinting (IIRC). Glock, in attempting to cover their teflon ass, fired the guy & hired him immediately as an independent consultant. So not only does Glock think their buyers are dumber than shit, they're not to be trusted either. Colt is run by idiots, prime example of their dropping all of their .380 models & in general making handguns at the rate of about 1 a month. S&W screwed us but infact it was done by their English owners, their employees had NO say in the matter. So after the English assholes sold S&W, I immediately bought a SW99 in .45acp. H&K? I don't quite know why they would be boycotted. Their customer service treated me (a nobody to them) wonderfully. Feel free to fill me in on anything I've left out or are incorrect on. |
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Colt, needed custoner service once and they were assholes.
S&W & Ruger. For the regular reasons, plus I think they make shit. |
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Boycotted my ex wife.
Never saw a Ruger product that I wanted to buy. The only S&W model I own is a Chiefs Special Model 36, 2", .38spl that I bought in 1970 as a backup gun when I joined the DC Police Dept. I own two Glocks because I don't have to worry about them not working when I need them to. I would love to buy an HK but don't have the money right now. |
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What S&W did is documented. Where is your documentation on Ruger? I notice you didn't mention Glock. Never owned an S&W, so can't comment on their product. As for Ruger, what products do you have personal experience with? |
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I boycott Colt because they're products are over priced for what you get. I buy a firearm to potentially defend my life and will buy whatever one fits my needs regardless what the companies politics are. |
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I have a mini-14 that I couldn't hit the planet Earth with. Recoil from the .223 seams worse than my Muasers that I can shoot all day with no problem. IMO, it is a horible design. I had a P-89,90 & 91. I think those are the right designations, the 9mm, .40S&W, and the .45acp pistol. Got great deals on them. First pistols I ever dumped. I hate the designes and the overly high price on their bolt rifles. I have shot a few that others have had. Lets just say that I build my own Mauser sporters that are far better than the Rugers. Now, based on that, along with the sneaking suspicion that Bill ruger did sell us out on the AW bill (the mini-14 is the same as many others on the bill, but got left of the list, over sight my ass) I would say that I have ample reason to have formed a negative opinion of the company. As for Glock, I used one in the military. I spent a few days visiting the factory. I think they make superior products. Combine that wth a nationalistic bias towards them, and that they are a foreign company and must deal with hostile US laws. I got no problem with them. |
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Read the last line. It is a court order and the ONLY way if can be vacated is by a Federal judge, period. They have made no attempt to do so, even while their best chance is now. If Skerry gets in, he can enforce the agreement that the Bush administration has declined to enforce. If you condemn Bill Ruger, it is because of the rantings of one writer, Neal Knox. You don't have the facts and they have been posted many times, not just by me, but by others as well. I just gave you a documented FACT about S&W, yet you will buy them and condemn Bill Ruger based on hearsay. |
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So, you have no problem with them jumping in bed with the BATFE on ballistic fingerprinting.
www.atf.gov/press/speech/fy00/040700ggdsymposium.htm What hypocrisy. Because you like Glock, you will overlook their bullshit, huh? BTW, what military did you use a Glock in? What you say about the P89, P90, and P91 is nonsense and nothing but biased bullshit. The Rugers have performed at least as well as the Glock in every state police test I have read, where they were testing them for their own use. Of course, the HK USP and the Sigs outperformed both of them, but not by much. |
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+1 |
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Larry, I have no problem with Glocks' deal with the devil because the technology has been proven to not work.
I served in the Bundesheer from 1989-1992. We called it the P-80, but it was a Glock 17. |
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The point is that Glock, et.al., are actively collaborating with the Gov to make it work. |
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Glock.
tupperware is for storing food, not killing food. Ergonomics suck. "limp wristing" my ass shitty trigger pull and then there's that whole fingerprinting thing..... |
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K-Mart
Leatherman TCI cable Schnucks (for a few years) Hallmark Will add more when I remember them. |
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Not a damn one here.
Boycotting a firearms manufacturer is like Boycotting the RKBA. Go ahead, slit your own throat at will. There was a time I was very upset with some firearms manufacturers' policies, but that wouldn't necessarily negate me from picking up their merchandise.... Might cause a delay in my pruchase and a lengthy look at their competitors offerings; I would willfully protest and give the Co an earful for their misguided efforts, but I certainly lose if any manfucturer closes shop. It's not like we have a wave of new gun companies springing up. They are a limited growth resource, not necessarily an "aggressive renewable resource"... One of these days, I just might need what someone else was so eager to Boycott. <----- ETA, I have no idea what this emoticon means. Sly |
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No, I condemn Bill fucking Ruger for what HE did, not what one man wrote. Believe it or not, I don't really care. As for S&W, the owners who went into that agreement no longer own the company. The Ruger family STILL own theirs, yes? Are those factual enough for you, sir? |
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How do YOU know what he did? It doesn't matter who owns S&W, the agreement still remains. Yes, the Ruger family still owns Sturm Ruger and I am still waiting for proof of what you say he did. |
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Oh, that really makes it okay, because the technology doesn't work? We all knew that already, so did Glock, but they jumped right in there with them. It is defacto registration and that is the point of the entire push for it, technology notwithstanding. Your hypocrisy grows deeper. |
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I have a pre94 Colt because the price was right in 1998 for me - but I my sell the lower eventually for a new lower - its already got mostly Bushmaster parts on it
I don't buy HK because they are overpriced and overrated IMHO I don't buy Glock cause I just dont like polymer guns - pistols or rifles Ruger sold us out in 1994 and hasnt changed their politically correct policy I guess Smith and Wesson is better - I will likely buy from them in the future I am primarily a Sig Sauer, Bushmaster, FAL kinda guy anyway |
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Bill fucking Ruger was quoted sayng "Civilians don't need more than 10rd mags." I have neither the desire nor the time to hunt down the quote. In fact, I think American Rifleman gave vague reference to this in their "salute" to him a while back but they certainly didn't repeat his quote. And yes, to me it DOES matter who owns S&W. No disagreement that the so-called agreement is still in place. If you loathed your bro-in-law & you divorced & remarried, do you tranfer this loathing to your new bro-in-law? Certainly not. Feel free to call Ruger & ask THEM what Bill fucking Ruger said, I'm sure they'll be happy to tell you right quick. |
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I really have no idea why you choose to attack me over this. Go over to the Glock forum and attack every one there. I could argue this forever, but really see no point. I have my reasons, you have yours. I really don't care what you think, and vice versa. I have my Glock that I hardly ever shoot alog with my other pistols that I rarely shoot. I am happy with the way they sit in my safe taking up room. You have your opinion, I have mine, that is the way it is going to be. |
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Quoted by whom? Still see no evidence, no proof. You make allegations, but have "neither the desire nor the time" to substantiate them. Could that be because they don't exist? The new owners have taken no steps to have the agreement nullified, so they must be in concert with the contents of that document. If they wait, a Democrat administration down the road will enforce it. Now is the time, under the current administration, to get it done. |
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Mine is not an opinion. I have documented their collaboration, yet you choose to ignore their shenanigans because you like them. My reasons are well documented as mentioned. Are yours? I don't care to go to the Glock forums, just like I don't go to any S&W forums, but when the subject is broached on a board that I frequent, you better believe that I will point out the treachery by Glock. |
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I was trying to be nice and end it there. Now you are just trolling. This is not a debate, it is a personal attack at this point.
I am done with you. I really could care less about you or anything you say at this point. Troll away............ |
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Nope, not trolling. You calling me a troll, that's a laugh. In other words you have no defense for your overlooking Glock's actions. I did not attack you, but your glossing over what Glock has done is not to be ignored. You are correct, it is not a debate, not when one side presents facts and the other side ignores them and whines about alleged personal attacks that don't exist. |
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