shotar,
thank you for that info, i had never seen one, or at least i may have unknowningly passed by one & not knew what it was, one of my complaints about Cieners is the lack of identification, there is nothing stamped or etched in them for ID purposes.... i do plan on etching my own ID info on mine.....
$100 sounds like one heck of a deal you got, this nonsense about having a dedicated upper is over blown in my opinion unless you plan on minute MOA, i have used my Cieners in 20", & 16" barrels, 1in12, 1in9 & 1in7 twist barrels & i can hit an "E" tank at 100 yds offhand & hit it 20 out of 25 times, if i were you, i'd use your conversion in what ever AR you have for plinking, my two favorites are my SP-1 & Gov't Carbine.., i consider them both accurate at 100 yds, i can hit 8" gongs consistantly.....
now that i know what to look for, i'll have to get one....
thanx once more for the info.....