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Posted: 1/4/2020 12:37:46 AM EDT
I already have a good ballistic helmet set up with a shroud and earpro, but I want something to mount NV on when I don’t need it for serious social purposes. I don’t need an Ops Core, Team Wendy, or anything fancy, just something cheap and somewhat comfortable.
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Browse on eBay. You didn't define cheap. I got a new Ops Core FAST carbon for ~$400
like this one Use the make an offer feature. There are also airsoft replicas out there for less. Here is one for $132 |
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Doing some looking I found this. Are these any good?
https://www.protechelmet.com/products.asp?cat=14 |
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Gaspian has been recommending this one in the SiOnyx thread <ETA> Corrected the item, it's now correct. |
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I use the cheapo airsoft repros as a bump like listed above. However, I added a real metal shroud (an Ops Core) and 4D Deluxe pads. All parts are interchangeable with Ops Core.
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This one.
I just ordered the linked helmet, it comes with a metal shroud as opposed to the plastic shrouds most air soft helmets come with. Also can fit larger heads as it states it fits anywhere from 21.5 to 25.5. Reviews were all favorable and it seems the best constructed of the lot. Only noticeable difference is it’s a copy of the Crye Airframe as opposed to the more common copies of OpsCore Helmets. |
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These brand used to be the go to bump
https://www.protechelmet.com/products.asp?cat=14 |
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This one. I just ordered the linked helmet, it comes with a metal shroud as opposed to the plastic shrouds most air soft helmets come with. Also can fit larger heads as it states it fits anywhere from 21.5 to 25.5. Reviews were all favorable and it seems the best constructed of the lot. Only noticeable difference is it's a copy of the Crye Airframe as opposed to the more common copies of OpsCore Helmets. View Quote |
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@JoeMal
Just got my Outry Airframe clone as well as my Sionyx In today and while this is my first bump helmet IMO it was surprisingly good quality for the price. Metal shroud had minimal play with my Rhino II/AKA2 mounting contraption. Size wise my fairly large head (23.7” head definitey had more room in there if one loosened the straps. Biggest knock on it would be the pad system but for the price I couldn’t reasonably complain as they are workable. Would recommend for anyone looking for a working NV mounting system fwithout breaking the bank. My color was black if that makes a difference. |
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Appreciate it. Does it have an adjustable knob in the back? Do you have room to tighten it down when being worn or is it fully open?
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Appreciate it. Does it have an adjustable knob in the back? Do you have room to tighten it down when being worn or is it fully open? View Quote |
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Quoted: "night vision", Googles, and how the fuck does that scarf go in the rail? At least the R's and L's are in the right spots https://i.ibb.co/QJj8xBD/Screenshot-8.png View Quote |
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Quoted: It’s tacticool bro, but I never noticed the googles part, advertising aside it’s still nice out of the box, I’ll see how well it holds up long term. View Quote |
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Quoted: It's all good brother. I was checking them out on amazon and the pic f'n killed me, had me laughing my ass off. Funny part is, I have a buddy from Greece who calls them googles too. ETA: Now a US Citizen that is View Quote I have to get one of those skull face masks just to fit in during the boogaloo... Hate to experience friendly fire cause your not in character LMAO. |
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www.amazon.com/dp/B07PYP11DJGaspian has been recommending this one in the SiOnyx thread Corrected the item, it's now correct. View Quote I ordered one of these cheap bump helmets. It fits my big head ok but my Wilcox mount doesn't fit in the shroud. I haven't decided if I'm going to take the dremel to it or send it back. |
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Get a real Wilcox shroud. The ones that come with these helmets suck View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I’ve had two lancers. They’re certainly not the greatest, but they work well and have had no issue with my Rhino mount. I pulled that shitty counterweight system off in favor of another one, but still have my IR light mounted and it’s waiting for my 14s... https://i.imgur.com/3W2AdIo.jpg View Quote @Synyster06Gates |
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Quoted: What light mount is that you’re using with the FandyFire, curious about the counterweight system as well. @Synyster06Gates View Quote It’s just an offset 1” ring that I had left over from years ago. Works great. The counter weight in that setup is a TNVC Mohawk knock off and I just stuffed it with batteries. It was alright, but the Velcro sucks and didn’t want to stick well. |
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Yes, that's a third option. I have a real Wilcox on my nightcap that I have been using. I suppose I could move that one over and decide if I need another. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: I ordered one of these cheap bump helmets. It fits my big head ok but my Wilcox mount doesn't fit in the shroud. I haven't decided if I'm going to take the dremel to it or send it back. |
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Nope. Not really an option. The styrofoam "padding" in this helmet is velcroed to stickers over the mounting bolts/nuts. Pretty much need to completely disassemble the helmet and scrape off the Velcro stickers to get the shroud off. Not worth the time for a crappy helmet. It's going back to Amazon. View Quote |
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Quoted: this is incorrect freefall helmets are still produced by protec in the one of their oldest designs View Quote Screen cap of website |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/463610/E839C7D7-8776-496A-A462-328E0B98D1CF_jpeg-1233573.JPG Screen cap of website View Quote $38 great for bikes, trikes, and quads |
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My post in question was specifically in reference to the military style helmets listed on their website not all helmets.
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eta: protechelmets aren't the same as pro-tec helmets View Quote It has confused many a person over the years. I've written several times on this subject before, but I'll go ahead and say it once more. I'm all about saving money, but it's worth considering what helmets are for. Yes, for putting NVDs on your head specific to this subforum, but then again, there are head-harnesses like the Crye Nightcap or Legacy Skullcrushers (should be a required rite of passage to spend a year using only a skull crusher under a PASGT before being allowed to graduate to Ops-Cores and Wilcox mounts ) if that's what you're looking to do only. What a helmet is for is for protecting that shriveled gray thing rotting away in your skull, something that you may find yourself needing all the more when you start wandering around technical terrain with a forty-degree toilet paper tube field of view and no real ability to focus on both where you're going and where you're stepping at the same time. Whether you're talking about plastic bump helmets or "knock-off" ballistics, even those who claim their shells have been tested in some sort of ballistics lab, I can almost guarantee you that what they're not being tested for--which high end helmets, and hell, even an old school Black Hawk Down-style Pro-Tec skateboard helmet is being tested for is impact protection. Be honest, if you're even considering a knock-off helmet, are your chances higher of getting shot in the head or of falling down and bashing your skull against a rock? TBI is no joke, and I've seen guys of all experience levels take some ugly spills. I'm not trying to be a disapproving church lady scolding people for buying knock-off helmets, but it amazes me sometimes how far down head protection is on many people's lists of priorities when choosing a helmet. ~Augee |
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Quoted: This. It has confused many a person over the years. I've written several times on this subject before, but I'll go ahead and say it once more. I'm all about saving money, but it's worth considering what helmets are for. Yes, for putting NVDs on your head specific to this subforum, but then again, there are head-harnesses like the Crye Nightcap or Legacy Skullcrushers (should be a required rite of passage to spend a year using only a skull crusher under a PASGT before being allowed to graduate to Ops-Cores and Wilcox mounts ) if that's what you're looking to do only. What a helmet is for is for protecting that shriveled gray thing rotting away in your skull, something that you may find yourself needing all the more when you start wandering around technical terrain with a forty-degree toilet paper tube field of view and no real ability to focus on both where you're going and where you're stepping at the same time. Whether you're talking about plastic bump helmets or "knock-off" ballistics, even those who claim their shells have been tested in some sort of ballistics lab, I can almost guarantee you that what they're not being tested for--which high end helmets, and hell, even an old school Black Hawk Down-style Pro-Tec skateboard helmet is being tested for is impact protection. Be honest, if you're even considering a knock-off helmet, are your chances higher of getting shot in the head or of falling down and bashing your skull against a rock? TBI is no joke, and I've seen guys of all experience levels take some ugly spills. I'm not trying to be a disapproving church lady scolding people for buying knock-off helmets, but it amazes me sometimes how far down head protection is on many people's lists of priorities when choosing a helmet. ~Augee View Quote |
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Quoted: I’d agree with that - but I’d bet the vast majority of people on this forum are using it solely for NVG mounting and LARPing rather than actual head protection. View Quote Helmets have also been shown to do nothing to protect against concussions in almost every major contact sport. An example is hockey, which is a relatively similar helmet design. Sure, you are gonna save your head discomfort with better pads, but the main protection that a bump helmet provides is from cracking your head open. Which almost any durable plastic can provide. I'd be more worried about twisting an ankle or hurting my wrist from a fall. Many civilian users don't need to spend $500 on a bump helmet to walk around in a neighborhood, shoot in a friends field, or go hunting. They need something comfortable, stable, and affordable. |
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^^ Helmets have also been shown to do nothing to protect against concussions in almost every major contact sport. An example is hockey, which is a relatively similar helmet design. Sure, you are gonna save your head discomfort with better pads, but the main protection that a bump helmet provides is from cracking your head open. Which almost any durable plastic can provide. I'd be more worried about twisting an ankle or hurting my wrist from a fall. Many civilian users don't need to spend $500 on a bump helmet to walk around in a neighborhood, shoot in a friends field, or go hunting. They need something comfortable, stable, and affordable. View Quote I mean, I guess the argument could be made that most civilian users don’t need to spend $2,000+ on a Gen. 3 NVD and support gear to walk around in a neighborhood, shoot in a friend’s field, or even go hunting. I mentioned TBI because it’s a potential worst case scenario that a helmet could protect you from, and to the extent that there’s no guarantee that a helmet is going to prevent it doesn’t mean that it’s not worth stacking the deck in your favor by getting a helmet with an actual impact protection rating—and even if it won’t necessarily protect you in every instance from a concussion, in some situations it may and there are many other types of head/impact injuries that it’s worth trying to protect yourself from, otherwise, no one would bother wearing a helmet for anything, not just gun fighting or contact sports, but riding bikes, white water rafting, rock climbing, etc. Again, I get it, and I understand the point that most people neither need, nor care about, nor even bother considering impact protection, especially relative to having a helmet that looks vaguely “tactical-esque,” but it still seems rather backwards to me. If all you want is to mount NVGs and don’t want to spend much money and don’t care about impact protection, why not get a Nightcap? We sell them for $75, and they go on sale, and I know plenty of other folks have gotten them cheaper, and we almost always have them in stock. With just about any of these knock-off helmets, everyone’s recommending replacing the existing hardware, or at very least the shroud with an authentic part, because again, you’ve most likely spent $2,000+ on an NVD, and even most of the folks recommending unlicensed replica parts agree that you should still at least replace the shroud. So that $60 for a Wilcox 3-Hole shroud is a wash between the Nightcap and airsoft helmet. A lot of posters will then recommend replacing pads and suspension, too, usually for comfort, but again, these parts actually do make a difference in terms of head protection. So, you’ve bought a $70 airsoft Ops-Core, spent $60 on a replacement shroud, say another $40 on even just an H-Nape suspension, that’s “street price,” not retail, and finally another $80 on 4DPads, and you’re right at $240, and you still have shitty, out of spec Chineseium ARC rails, probably sub-standard fasteners, paper thin Velcro that you can literally see through, and won’t actually stay on the helmet shell, much less keep anything on it secure, and no real impact protection that you can rely on. At the same time, for $270 you could have gotten an Ops-Core Bump, which is a genuine Ops-Core product—LARPing box checked, put the right helmet cover on it, and no one will even know it’s not a ballistic. ACH certified impact protection, an authentic fit band suspension which I think is one of the absolute best on the market at any price point, pads that may not be the most comfortable, but extremely well designed to protect that aforementioned gray thing, and an in spec shroud and rails and even high grade fasteners and Velcro. All for $30, and maybe a little waiting since Ops-Cores tend to be in high demand and often have some lead time if backordered. And I’ve seen them sell on the EE for as low as $150 a piece. Again, to each their own, and everyone can do with their own money as they please, and I’ve been known to be a pretty miserly fella, but I just don’t see any value proposition in knock-off helmets. ~Augee |
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I would tend to agree that unless you just want a "gear holder" for the lowest possible price (valid, we're all adults, make a choice), you probably want to be able to access the testing data for blunt impact protection - if you want any at all.
The one good thing about Bumps - is that the prices between the "known" best (if that ^ $270 OpsCore price holds true - seeing $295, but even then...), and good competitors, is under $100. Here is the testing data from a competitor (abbreviated) Test Spec. :AR/PD 10-02 Rev A with Change 6, 16 December 2013 Test Type: Blunt Impact Test Requirements: 3.11 Procedure: 4.9.13 Equipment: Cadex Uni-Axial Monorail Impact Machine Model: 1000_00_MIMA Anvil Type: Hemispherical DAQ Software: Version 6.9b, Last Updated Nov. 3, 2011 Test Procedure: Conditioning: Ambient Pre-Conditioning: 24 hours @ 20 +/- 5 degrees C and 50 +/- 20%RH Impacts (14): 2 impacts at each of 7 locations greater than; 1 min. but less than; 2 min. apart HPI: 2.30" (Large) Velocity: 10.0 ft./sec (+/- 0.3 ft./sec) Test Conditions: Range Temperature:70°F Range Humidity:48% View Quote Bumps are waaaaay different than the tested IIIA Helmets for the same "Type" or "Style": $470 vs over $1400 (I'm not familiar with the $650 Gentex HC), than the Bump $200 vs $270 ($295?). |
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Quoted: ~Augee View Quote FWIW, I'm not just pulling this out of my ass. I have owned both the knockoff bumps and Ops Core ballistic helmets. The hardware is interchangeable. The pads are interchangeable. The rails and dial liner are even interchangeable. I agree that the quality is not the same. But justifying $270 for a plastic helmet is hard to do for me, when the losses in quality provide little tangible difference between the products. Plenty of studies show that helmets have little effect on preventing brain injury from impact. The shell might split easier on a cheaper one I guess, but if you get hit with that much force you're in for a bad time with either helmet. If you're buying ballistic, however, then get the best. lol |
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Ok, so I’m in a situation where I’d like to utilize a couple different setups. I have an old ACH helmet that I’d like to make more comfortable (I’ve seen the ops core dial liner systems for these, are they worth it?). I also have a CVC helmet shell, will any of the liners fit them?
I’ve also been interested in a bump helmet. I want a couple of these, no fun being the only one wearing NODs or thermal.. I’m not opposed to getting an OpsCore helmet, but I’ve not seen them anywhere under $200. |
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This one. I just ordered the linked helmet, it comes with a metal shroud as opposed to the plastic shrouds most air soft helmets come with. Also can fit larger heads as it states it fits anywhere from 21.5 to 25.5. Reviews were all favorable and it seems the best constructed of the lot. Only noticeable difference is it’s a copy of the Crye Airframe as opposed to the more common copies of OpsCore Helmets. View Quote The Nightcap isn't a bad piece of kit -- it just doesn't work on my head. I've messed with the straps and counterweights, and it just wants to smash my forehead in. (Single PVS14 with Wilcox L4 mount & shroud.) |
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I run an Emerson Ops Core Maritime clone. 70 dollars has an occdial and a metal NVG should which on mine was very solid and tight.
Ive also got a protec a bravo. I was totally underwhelmed by the protec. Its nice enough but even compared to my emerson knock off it feels flimsy has hardware that protudes a good deal into the helmet and the padding sucked even compared to the Chinese knock off of an Opscore. Im pretty sure the "advanced tactical helemt" on the Protechelemts.com website are those emerson clones of the opscores with the molded NVG shroud. Both would do what i need them to but the emerson is a lot more comfortable to me. And its done its job a few times moving in and out of tight spaces and exploring mines where ive bashed my head pretty good on low overheads. |
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After a couple hours under my Crye Nightcap and feeling like I've been bashing my forehead against a wall, I've ordered the Outry from Amazon. The Nightcap isn't a bad piece of kit -- it just doesn't work on my head. I've messed with the straps and counterweights, and it just wants to smash my forehead in. (Single PVS14 with Wilcox L4 mount & shroud.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This one. I just ordered the linked helmet, it comes with a metal shroud as opposed to the plastic shrouds most air soft helmets come with. Also can fit larger heads as it states it fits anywhere from 21.5 to 25.5. Reviews were all favorable and it seems the best constructed of the lot. Only noticeable difference is it’s a copy of the Crye Airframe as opposed to the more common copies of OpsCore Helmets. The Nightcap isn't a bad piece of kit -- it just doesn't work on my head. I've messed with the straps and counterweights, and it just wants to smash my forehead in. (Single PVS14 with Wilcox L4 mount & shroud.) |
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Only one I would consider https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/17/friday-night-lights-pts-mtex-flux-bump-helmet/ https://www.ptssyndicate.com/-page/pts-mtek-flux-helmet View Quote you can get a ops-core carbon helmet cheaper than that. |
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Quoted: Well, just like the knockoff helmet, you still have to buy a shroud for the Nightcap too. FWIW, I'm not just pulling this out of my ass. I have owned both the knockoff bumps and Ops Core ballistic helmets. The hardware is interchangeable. The pads are interchangeable. The rails and dial liner are even interchangeable. I agree that the quality is not the same. But justifying $270 for a plastic helmet is hard to do for me, when the losses in quality provide little tangible difference between the products. Plenty of studies show that helmets have little effect on preventing brain injury from impact. The shell might split easier on a cheaper one I guess, but if you get hit with that much force you're in for a bad time with either helmet. If you're buying ballistic, however, then get the best. lol View Quote |
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