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Posted: 9/11/2019 10:41:57 PM EDT
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I’ve done some searching and came down to these two options for a bump helmet. I’ve read a lot of threads, and it seems that there are some complaints regarding the Ops-Core FAST high cut bump helmet in regards to the molded fixture. Here is one thread. There was another thread discussing it and I can’t for the life of me find it. I looked into less expensive helmets like the Protec, but not sure how much it protects your noggin and it has the same plastic molded shroud/attachment for NVG. The Team Wendy Exfil LTP, same $300 price-tag as the Ops-Core, but has an aluminum shroud for attaching NVG (don’t have any yet) and I would want to use it for GoPro. Yes, I’m well aware of Team Hillary’s, I mean Team Wendy’s reputation. Any advice? Edit to add: skip the Protec IMO |
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Posted: 9/11/2019 10:42:36 PM EDT
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Wait so you question how much a protec will protect your noggin when they’ve been around far longer than both Opscore and TW? Also considering how the military used Protec for ages as a bump lids.
That aside, depends on your tastes, fitment and wallet. My head doesn’t like Opscore so I find my TW lid more comfortable. Besides, you can throw any shroud you want on a protec, granted it’s drilled already. Even if not, then it’s not that difficult. |
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Posted: 9/11/2019 10:47:00 PM EDT
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Missed the GoPro part. I snagged this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07K561GGK?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share And it works great. I had to add some painters tape to the back of it where it goes in the helmet. Works perfect on both the OC and TW. |
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Posted: 9/11/2019 10:47:34 PM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/FS-Team-Wendy-Exfil-w-Wilcox-mount/172-1911857/
Not my AD ^ But that’s what I’d do |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 12:02:02 AM EDT
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Can you even get a Protec?
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Posted: 9/12/2019 12:19:44 AM EDT
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Wait so you question how much a protec will protect your noggin when they’ve been around far longer than both Opscore and TW? Also considering how the military used Protec for ages as a bump lids. That aside, depends on your tastes, fitment and wallet. My head doesn’t like Opscore so I find my TW lid more comfortable. Besides, you can throw any shroud you want on a protec, granted it’s drilled already. Even if not, then it’s not that difficult. Oops. I was looking at their NVG compatible ones on their site but they’re not made in the U.S. (China) and it isn’t made by them Pro-Tec. I didn’t mean their other lines. Do they make their bump helmets in the U.S.? Thank you all for the rapid responses. @will-1 On the TNVC website, the don’t list TW for the 4D pads. Do you know if it’s compatible, and if so, which drop-down menu choice you have to pick? There’s one for Ops-Core and then for ACH/ECH/Crye/MTEK. @Kpog Thank you for the link. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 12:48:08 AM EDT
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@will-1 On the TNVC website, the don’t list TW for the 4D pads. Do you know if it’s compatible, and if so, which drop-down menu choice you have to pick? There’s one for Ops-Core and then for ACH/ECH/Crye/MTEK. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 1:31:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oops. I was looking at their NVG compatible ones on their site but they’re not made in the U.S. (China) and it isn’t made by them Pro-Tec. I didn’t mean their other lines. Do they make their bump helmets in the U.S.? I had to track one down at a gun show used. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 1:36:39 AM EDT
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Team Hillary comments aside, the Team Wendy rail doesn't accommodate a third of the accessories of the new Ops Core.
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Posted: 9/12/2019 1:39:45 AM EDT
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Team Hillary comments aside, the Team Wendy rail doesn't accommodate a third of the accessories of the new Ops Core. I'm in a similar boat, trying to decide between TW, OPSCORE, and MTEK Carbons. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 1:54:51 AM EDT
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I prefer the TW. I also use the SARA: Sordin ARC Rail Adapter from Iron Forged Concepts (now Unity Tactical) with the Mark rail kit.
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Posted: 9/12/2019 3:36:14 AM EDT
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Do we still hate Team Wendy?
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Posted: 9/12/2019 3:36:41 AM EDT
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Team Hillary comments aside, the Team Wendy rail doesn't accommodate a third of the accessories of the new Ops Core. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 8:21:16 AM EDT
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Pick the ACH/ECH/etc for the TW Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@will-1 On the TNVC website, the don’t list TW for the 4D pads. Do you know if it’s compatible, and if so, which drop-down menu choice you have to pick? There’s one for Ops-Core and then for ACH/ECH/Crye/MTEK. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 8:41:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US made ones are LEO/MIL/GOV sales only. Been that way for about a year. I had to track one down at a gun show used. Try your luck with Botach? Lol Not sure where PT makes their standard line of helmets, but if I had to guess probably not US. But if you’re really not constrained by budget, just grab a TW, imo. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 9:40:44 AM EDT
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If you’re going OpsCore, spring for the Carbon just for the updated/improved/better shroud.
The FAST BUMP I have is pretty wiggly. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 9:51:23 AM EDT
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I waited for 3 months for my ops core bump to ship and was told it still might be another 2 months before it did.
I cancelled and ordered TW. Got there in 2 days. Something to consider if you’re in a hurry. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 10:20:43 AM EDT
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@C-4 Try your luck with Botach? Lol Not sure where PT makes their standard line of helmets, but if I had to guess probably not US. But if you’re really not constrained by budget, just grab a TW, imo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The US made ones are LEO/MIL/GOV sales only. Been that way for about a year. I had to track one down at a gun show used. Try your luck with Botach? Lol Not sure where PT makes their standard line of helmets, but if I had to guess probably not US. But if you’re really not constrained by budget, just grab a TW, imo. Also, it appears the "new" PT A-Bravo X helm for 2019 is still on preorder and I've not heard of a single person receiving their order. The Bravo X was supposedly the one they were releasing for Civilian sales. IMO the PT A-Bravo is not rigid enough for regular NV use. I still keep one for GoPro and recreational use. |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 2:27:24 PM EDT
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Team Hillary comments aside, the Team Wendy rail doesn't accommodate a third of the accessories of the new Ops Core. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/DIY-Scout-Pro-Tac-Mount-Team-Wendy/18-490918/ |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 2:45:10 PM EDT
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No complaints about my 3 bump helmets. Slap some 4D pads in there and call it good
I wear mine 5-8 hours per night when I go hunting and don't have hotspots or issues wearing the bump that long. I'm not sure what TW does better comfort-wise but I have zero issues with the bump |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 9:06:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the only thing that pisses me off about team Wendy Helmets I actually think it’s a better design than arc rails but most of the accessory’s are made for arc it’s the standard. With that said with some DIY mods you can get most things to work https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/DIY-Scout-Pro-Tac-Mount-Team-Wendy/18-490918/ |
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Posted: 9/12/2019 9:26:18 PM EDT
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I guess we still hate Team Wendy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Team Hillary comments aside, the Team Wendy rail doesn't accommodate a third of the accessories of the new Ops Core. |
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Posted: 9/13/2019 12:57:50 PM EDT
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No complaints about my 3 bump helmets. Slap some 4D pads in there and call it good I wear mine 5-8 hours per night when I go hunting and don't have hotspots or issues wearing the bump that long. I'm not sure what TW does better comfort-wise but I have zero issues with the bump Which brand do you have? |
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Posted: 9/13/2019 1:15:16 PM EDT
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@C-4
Ops Core for me. I don't have a need for a ballistic helmet at the moment and while people say good things about the fit of the TW it has enough downsides for me that it's not worth the effort over Ops Core 
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Posted: 9/13/2019 3:31:13 PM EDT
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No complaints about my 3 bump helmets. Slap some 4D pads in there and call it good I wear mine 5-8 hours per night when I go hunting and don't have hotspots or issues wearing the bump that long. I'm not sure what TW does better comfort-wise but I have zero issues with the bump For lighter loads, this can be more comfortable, but IMHO, the Ops-Core semi-rigid liner is much more stable than the Boa, both the side fit-bands and the more rigid nape piece (the Ops-Core 4D Pads come with a nape pad as well  ) lock the helmet to your head, and maintain a more stable platform--I do 90% of NV activities with an unbuckled chinstrap and a tightened down Ops-Core without any issues whatsoever.Assuming you take the time and effort to properly adjust the Ops-Core suspension, to me it is very comfortable, and I've never experienced the comfort issues that many other folks report with them, even with the factory pads, though they can definitely be uncomfortable with poorly adjusted/adjusted for someone else Ops-Core helmets, it's a little give and take, but if you basically live inside your helmet for long stretches of time... Just to throw in as well: The Lux Liner is a fantastic addition the Ops-Core helmets and provides a lot of impact/trauma protection. The Worm Dial is more low profile than the Occ-Dial, and is good for going prone and a lot of dynamic movement, but is slower to adjust, and the Occ-Dial design allows you to crank down much tighter and harder on the suspension than the Worm Dial does--I use both and have a slight preference for the Worm Dial, but again, this is submitted for consideration since most of the newest versions offer a choice between the Occ-Dial and Worm Dial. Finally, among the reasons for the long lead times on Ops-Core helmets is the huge number of military contracts that Ops-Core needs to fulfill before dealer and even LE contracts, especially with the FAST SF being selected to replace the FAST MT as the USSOCOM standard ballistic helmet, and a lot of units use the Bump as well for non-ballistic needs, but they keep getting chosen over and over again. ~Augee |
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Posted: 9/13/2019 4:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The "soft" suspension of the Boa is arguably more comfortable to some people than the more rigid Ops-Core suspension, and more forgiving in terms of adjustment. For lighter loads, this can be more comfortable, but IMHO, the Ops-Core semi-rigid liner is much more stable than the Boa, both the side fit-bands and the more rigid nape piece (the Ops-Core 4D Pads come with a nape pad as well ) lock the helmet to your head, and maintain a more stable platform--I do 90% of NV activities with an unbuckled chinstrap and a tightened down Ops-Core without any issues whatsoever.~Augee |
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Posted: 9/13/2019 8:24:13 PM EDT
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@C-4 Ops Core for me. I don't have a need for a ballistic helmet at the moment and while people say good things about the fit of the TW it has enough downsides for me that it's not worth the effort over Ops Core https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73202/20190912_134644-1087735.jpg |
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Posted: 9/14/2019 5:14:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After you brought that up to me (last time) I swapped back and forth between the OC and TW to see for myself. With a lot of movement when stowed with the TW, I was finding my Sentinels to not be the right place when bringing them back down. I had to adjust the helmet to line them back up. Didn't have the same problem with the OC. That was with the TW and 4D pads versus the OC with standard pads, so not sure if the 4D pads have something to do with it. I snagged another set of 4D pads from ya'll for the OC. Guess I'll find out this weekend if the pads affect it at all or if it's all in the headbands. |
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Posted: 9/14/2019 7:21:45 AM EDT
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Yeah, we still hate Team Wendy. I'm still using one, but would only buy a used one from now on. Won't be sending them any more money.
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Posted: 9/14/2019 2:55:23 PM EDT
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Just spent 3 hours wearing the Ops Core with the 4D pads. It’s definitely more stable than the TW with 4D pads. I swapped a couple times and used the head shake test (exaggerated no movement) to confirm. I still prefer the TW it is more comfortable but if I was doing a lot of movement like running etc I’d pick the OC. Maybe this helps somebody. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: After you brought that up to me (last time) I swapped back and forth between the OC and TW to see for myself. With a lot of movement when stowed with the TW, I was finding my Sentinels to not be the right place when bringing them back down. I had to adjust the helmet to line them back up. Didn't have the same problem with the OC. That was with the TW and 4D pads versus the OC with standard pads, so not sure if the 4D pads have something to do with it. I snagged another set of 4D pads from ya'll for the OC. Guess I'll find out this weekend if the pads affect it at all or if it's all in the headbands. |
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