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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:51:19 AM EDT
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Hate to hear this, I’ve bought direct from a chris 2-3 times without issue, he even discounted me a set of ocular lenses when another “well reputed” dealer sold me a housing built with foggy glassed knock offs according to him and the builder.
Anyway, I had dissimilar experiences with him from the ones posted hear and I hate to hear about this for all involved. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 11:49:18 AM EDT
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Utterly useless. Send them to me for proper disposal. I’ll pay shipping.  |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 11:51:06 AM EDT
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Whats the company?
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Posted: 4/24/2019 1:44:19 PM EDT
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would love to read some updates on this.
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Posted: 4/24/2019 2:10:03 PM EDT
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ETA: NVM....
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Posted: 4/24/2019 2:11:52 PM EDT
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Currently posted in Tampa Craigslist: "NOTICE OF PUBLIC SALE OF COLLATERAL Well-Established Rifle Manufacturer specializing in cutting edge technology and first and only patented retrofit kit for superior performance rifles. Adams Arms LLC, Chapter 679 PUBLIC AUCTION April 30, 2019 at 11:00 A.M. 1551 Gunn Highway, Odessa, FL 33556 Full day inspection on 04/29/19 from 10 AM to 4 PM. Private inspection available upon request. Adams Arms LLC will be sold as a complete turnkey operation (1-lot auction sale). Collateral will include all tangible and intangible assets owned by Adams Arms, LLC, including accounts, registered patents, registered trademark, instruments and/or investment documents, furniture, fixtures, equipment, inventory and related property. Complete asset list upon request. Company Overview Adams Arms, LLC. offers uppers, rifles/lowers, conversion kits, barrels, and slide assemblies. The company also provides parts and accessories, such as voodoo innovations parts, piston parts, rails and hand guards, bolts and bolt carriers, and other accessories. It offers its products through dealers and a network of distributors. Adams Arms, LLC. was founded in 2007 and is based in Odessa, Florida. Interested party is required to complete a non-disclosure agreement upon request of viewing confidential and proprietary company information/records including business overview. Questions? Call us for more information. " |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 5:18:40 PM EDT
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This isn't Adams Industries Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Currently posted in Tampa Craigslist: "NOTICE OF PUBLIC SALE OF COLLATERAL Well-Established Rifle Manufacturer specializing in cutting edge technology and first and only patented retrofit kit for superior performance rifles. Adams Arms LLC, Chapter 679 PUBLIC AUCTION April 30, 2019 at 11:00 A.M. 1551 Gunn Highway, Odessa, FL 33556 Full day inspection on 04/29/19 from 10 AM to 4 PM. Private inspection available upon request. Adams Arms LLC will be sold as a complete turnkey operation (1-lot auction sale). Collateral will include all tangible and intangible assets owned by Adams Arms, LLC, including accounts, registered patents, registered trademark, instruments and/or investment documents, furniture, fixtures, equipment, inventory and related property. Complete asset list upon request. Company Overview Adams Arms, LLC. offers uppers, rifles/lowers, conversion kits, barrels, and slide assemblies. The company also provides parts and accessories, such as voodoo innovations parts, piston parts, rails and hand guards, bolts and bolt carriers, and other accessories. It offers its products through dealers and a network of distributors. Adams Arms, LLC. was founded in 2007 and is based in Odessa, Florida. Interested party is required to complete a non-disclosure agreement upon request of viewing confidential and proprietary company information/records including business overview. Questions? Call us for more information. " |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 11:12:10 AM EDT
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I'm looking for contact info for the new owner of some one could send it over to me.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 4:48:45 PM EDT
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I've tried to make contact with a few guys through various groups.
If you're still owed an outstanding amount of money, please contact me with your info. There are 7 guys that I know of, myself included. As of the past 2 weeks, my calls and texts have been ignored by both Chris Adam's and chris pipes(the new guys handling the situation). Something shady is definently going on. When I called Asymetrical solutions, the woman i spoke to did not have a clue as to what I was talking about. Though she confirmed chris pipes works at one of their locations. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 5:15:58 PM EDT
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I've tried to make contact with a few guys through various groups. If you're still owed an outstanding amount of money, please contact me with your info. There are 7 guys that I know of, myself included. As of the past 2 weeks, my calls and texts have been ignored by both Chris Adam's and chris pipes(the new guys handling the situation). Something shady is definently going on. When I called Asymetrical solutions, the woman i spoke to did not have a clue as to what I was talking about. Though she confirmed chris pipes works at one of their locations. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 5:50:32 PM EDT
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You guys should probably start getting lawyers involved... 
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Posted: 6/14/2019 6:07:00 PM EDT
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Updates?
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Posted: 6/14/2019 7:11:18 PM EDT
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Updates? |
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Posted: 6/14/2019 9:08:21 PM EDT
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The last I heard most people were still waiting on their money and the new company quit responding to them. I'm pretty sure some people got lawyers involved. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 12:34:39 PM EDT
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I inadvertently bought something off of Ebay from him recently and after several weeks I filed with Ebay and got a refund.
So evidently nothing has changed there. This is a big problem with the pay upfront and wait forever types- shit changes, this industry and the gun industry in general has some crazy ups and downs- I've been in it almost 3 decades and have seen and felt it and it is the reason we own several businesses, a couple of which are not tied to the gun industry at all. If a company isn't managing it's AP well while charging customers upfront for something that won't ship for MONTHS, and they aren't staying on top of things, it's very easy to get all messed up "robbing Peter to pay Paul." The best safety for the consumer is not paying till the order is ready to ship, anything outside of that is very risky for the consumer and I've been in this business too long for anyone to tell me otherwise. If a business is managing their $hit right, there shouldn't be a major need to charge you 4 months before your order is supposedly going to be ready to ship. Argue it and makes excuses all you want, but I think this thread once again proves that logic. |
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Posted: 6/16/2019 2:17:14 AM EDT
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So what does this mean for sentinels down the line?
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Posted: 6/16/2019 8:48:57 AM EDT
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So what does this mean for sentinels down the line? |
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Posted: 6/16/2019 10:29:11 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure Sentinels will be fine. They are manufactured by AB Nightvision and I believe they also hold the rights to them. Don't quote me as I am not 100% sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what does this mean for sentinels down the line? |
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Posted: 6/16/2019 10:39:33 AM EDT
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TNVC’s website says “developed by Adams Industries”, so even if AB manufactures them, I’m guessing AI holds the rights. After all, have you seen anyone have them in stock lately? From what I have heard it sounds like AB has the rights, but I am not sure... I think most vendors are pushing the RNVG anyway unless you want the ability to use the ball detent mount. |
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Posted: 6/16/2019 11:05:55 AM EDT
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I believe TNVC did say that they don't think the Sentinel is going anywhere. There is just shit that needs to be sorted out. From what I have heard it sounds like AB has the rights, but I am not sure... I think most vendors are pushing the RNVG anyway unless you want the ability to use the ball detent mount. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TNVC’s website says “developed by Adams Industries”, so even if AB manufactures them, I’m guessing AI holds the rights. After all, have you seen anyone have them in stock lately? From what I have heard it sounds like AB has the rights, but I am not sure... I think most vendors are pushing the RNVG anyway unless you want the ability to use the ball detent mount. I haven't asked TNVC about it, but I figure if I had a problem they'd help me find a workable solution. |
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Posted: 6/16/2019 11:59:27 AM EDT
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I believe TNVC did say that they don't think the Sentinel is going anywhere. There is just shit that needs to be sorted out. From what I have heard it sounds like AB has the rights, but I am not sure... I think most vendors are pushing the RNVG anyway unless you want the ability to use the ball detent mount. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TNVC’s website says “developed by Adams Industries”, so even if AB manufactures them, I’m guessing AI holds the rights. After all, have you seen anyone have them in stock lately? From what I have heard it sounds like AB has the rights, but I am not sure... I think most vendors are pushing the RNVG anyway unless you want the ability to use the ball detent mount. |
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Posted: 6/17/2019 1:24:43 PM EDT
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The Sentinel as a product will continue to be stable, though until things are fully back on track, we've discontinued orders (e.g.,) of the FDE versions. Most if not all Adams Industries products should fall in this boat.
We are not in any way involved with the management of what was Adams Industries in any way, but we have been in contact with the new ownership/management, and I know that the initial plan was to straighten up the mess that they inherited when they took Adams Industries on, which as I understand was fairly extensive. Unfortunately, we do not have any ability to directly affect any remedy that is being sought directly through the new ownership/management or by/through other vendors. New TNV/Sentinels are shipping, and will continue to be warrantied, maintained, and serviced through TNVC--there's a lot to this story, and I am not at liberty to share all of it, but if nothing else, the production infrastructure and ability to make and continue to make these products and the rights to do so remain intact, and while it may take a while to catch up to the backlog and make all customers whole, the products themselves are not "dead." ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/17/2019 2:51:01 PM EDT
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there's a lot to this story, and I am not at liberty to share all of it, ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/17/2019 4:59:22 PM EDT
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Anything I should be more concerned about? I'm still waiting on my Sentinels I bought through AI directly in OCTOBER of last year. The new owner has yet to be of any help. ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 10:38:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, I obviously can't speak directly for them on matters not involving TNVC, but what they have told us at least, is that they plan to address all of Chris Adams' previous customers, but there's a lot to wade through to get to that point. ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 11:11:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any info on whether or not the new owners have the right to produce the Paladin? I don't think so. Chris made it sound like he was still work on it and going to produce it. If that is the case, then I assume it is dead... Hopefully I am wrong and something happens with it. If the new owners have the rights to it I don't know if they would even be interested in pursuing it. I don't think they are interested in civilian sales. |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 11:34:35 AM EDT
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I wouldn't wait on the Paladin.
For a number of reasons. ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 9:45:32 PM EDT
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Is it confirmed Adam's industries is still being bought out?
Word on the street is the buyer backed out... |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 9:49:52 PM EDT
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Is it confirmed Adam's industries is still being bought out? Word on the street is the buyer backed out... |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 10:31:47 PM EDT
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lmao epic
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Posted: 6/19/2019 8:37:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything I should be more concerned about? I'm still waiting on my Sentinels I bought through AI directly in OCTOBER of last year. The new owner has yet to be of any help. All of the credit card companies (Visa, MC, etc) frown heavily on merchants charging upfront for something that will not ship within 30 days, and you never received the product so the chargeback should be relatively easy. Sorry to hear about your situation. |
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Posted: 6/19/2019 11:51:02 AM EDT
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The guy could be a little more professional and give us the courtesy of a simple response.
I cant prove it or am assuming it is true, but it looks like there has been a lot of malicious intent towards Adam's. Thus causing it to roll down hill and impact everyone with open orders. |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 1:56:43 AM EDT
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Hate to hear this, I've bought direct from a chris 2-3 times without issue, he even discounted me a set of ocular lenses when another "well reputed" dealer sold me a housing built with foggy glassed knock offs according to him and the builder. Anyway, I had dissimilar experiences with him from the ones posted hear and I hate to hear about this for all involved. |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 3:53:00 PM EDT
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Since most of ya'll are in the Sentinel game - anybody have suggestions for where I can find an anvis adapter for a sentinel?
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Posted: 6/26/2019 5:11:47 PM EDT
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Since most of ya'll are in the Sentinel game - anybody have suggestions for where I can find an anvis adapter for a sentinel? Then I’d call OwnTheNight and others. JMO |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 5:22:29 PM EDT
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I might have pre-jacked because I didn't see it on their website. TNVC hit me up they should have one.
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I assumed TNVC would carry that... Then I’d call OwnTheNight and others. JMO |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 5:23:21 PM EDT
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I assumed TNVC would carry that... Then I’d call OwnTheNight and others. JMO That being said, spare parts can be purchased, you just need to shoot us an e-mail or a phone call. ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 5:40:18 PM EDT
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The ANVIS adapters for the Sentinel are not typically sold separately, as 99.9% of Sentinel units are supposed to come with both dovetail and ANVIS adapters, thus they are not listed as separate products on the website. That being said, spare parts can be purchased, you just need to shoot us an e-mail or a phone call. ~Augee Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I assumed TNVC would carry that... Then I’d call OwnTheNight and others. JMO That being said, spare parts can be purchased, you just need to shoot us an e-mail or a phone call. ~Augee |
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Posted: 8/16/2019 7:27:39 PM EDT
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Bump for more eyes to see.
There are still guys chiming in on FB that have been ripped off. Id hate to see anyone else send money to them. |
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Posted: 8/16/2019 8:36:46 PM EDT
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Since most of ya'll are in the Sentinel game - anybody have suggestions for where I can find an anvis adapter for a sentinel? |
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Posted: 8/16/2019 8:57:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I have an extra one I would part with. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 10:29:59 AM EDT
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Bump for more eyes to see. There are still guys chiming in on FB that have been ripped off. Id hate to see anyone else send money to them. "But NFA stuff dude.." NFA stuff is a bit different in that their is more clear paper trails. An NFA dealer going out of business is likely going to be smart enough to find another dealer to finish the transfer, etc. versus worrying that the Feds are going to do an anal inspection on him over all the paperwork. I see people mention "nfa stuff" when lead times come up, but it's a drastically different thing with different paper trails. No one has to sign their life away for a Night vision purchase, pay the gubmint a tax stamp, submint DNA etc. Completely different thing. Being in business almost 28 years now I've seen a ton of places that seemed rock solid that were hemorrhaging cash and in debt out the ying yang. Then the proverbial "rob Peter to pay Paul" thing happens and the end result is what you see in this thread. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 1:45:10 AM EDT
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Some people were refunded via paypal dispute and through credit card companies. The lucky ones.
He flat out robbed me of 12k for a product he supposedly had in hand. Damn well hard earned money. It's a shame a crime like this Is so easily committed and gotten away with. Word from the horses mouth is he acquired a cnc machine and is attempting to make housings. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:28:17 AM EDT
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Some people were refunded via paypal dispute and through credit card companies. The lucky ones. He flat out robbed me of 12k for a product he supposedly had in hand. Damn well hard earned money. It's a shame a crime like this Is so easily committed and gotten away with. Word from the horses mouth is he acquired a cnc machine and is attempting to make housings. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 11:57:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re receiving information from the horse’s mouth but can’t get him to return your money? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 12:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re receiving information from the horse’s mouth but can’t get him to return your money? |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 1:01:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. He doesnt have the money. It was most likely used to pay off another debt as soon as it hit his bank account. Sorry to hear this. Like I mentioned I bought some stuff on Ebay a while back and I didn't realize it was from them. I waited the minimum amount of time and when I got no tracking, etc. and his feedback showed 3-5 new negatives for similar non shipping deals, I contacted Ebay/Paypal who refunded the money. Always pay with a CC if you can, at least then you have some recourse. Wiring money is risky as many have found out in this thread. Visa/MC frown on charging upfront for any item that will not ship within 30 days. Look for the same principal(s) to be in back in business under a different name at some point in the future...... |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 1:15:50 PM EDT
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I have bought a few directly from Chris over the years, really sorry to hear that his business went under. More sorry to hear that some people got stiffed in the process, he was always good to me. I stripped the bridge out on my sentinels and he fixed them for free.
I didn’t know him outside of our transactions but I’ve seen other businesses try to stay afloat by doing the robbing peter to pay Paul model. Sometimes it works as a stop gap measure but usually ends badly. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 1:19:48 PM EDT
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The guy should be in jail for theft.
Some people on the FB groups were trying to make it sound like they were still in business. I hope that guy isn't still trying to sell stuff to unknowing customers. |
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Posted: 9/1/2019 1:27:09 PM EDT
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And who are "ALL the insiders" you're referring to??? It seems several talked about it early on in this thread so who else are you referring to? |
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