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Posted: 10/10/2020 4:00:16 PM EDT
[#1]
I also want another. wish they made them in tan. might hold out for one.
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Posted: 10/10/2020 4:20:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I also want another. wish they made them in tan. might hold out for one. Just paint over the cancer causing Russian death beam paint lol |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 4:59:47 PM EDT
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Perst 3 repair
10/10 Tracking received for return shipping |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 5:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perst 3 repair 10/10 Tracking received for return shipping Thanks for keeping us updated. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 11:26:03 PM EDT
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Whelp, I had an issue with my Perst3 during my first night class. It stopped functioning normally and would only give a 4Hz strobe. When I replaced the battery (thinking maybe it was a low battery warning) the vis laser came on and wouldn't turn off, even with the switch in the "off" position. I shot an email to Ivan tonight so we'll see how this goes.
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Posted: 10/11/2020 6:06:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whelp, I had an issue with my Perst3 during my first night class. It stopped functioning normally and would only give a 4Hz strobe. When I replaced the battery (thinking maybe it was a low battery warning) the vis laser came on and wouldn't turn off, even with the switch in the "off" position. I shot an email to Ivan tonight so we'll see how this goes. This wouldn't have fixed it totally, but were you running the pressure pad, and if so, did you disconnect it, and try to use just the on-board buttons? |
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Posted: 10/12/2020 7:08:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a 36/300 zero with a standard rear BUS (or adjustable with a rear sight with elevation adustment). I'm still playing with the overall width; obviously you want it narrow but it needs to be durable. It's milled from 7075 with no anodize coating, but the final version will be anodized. The thumb screws will be replaced because there is a thread relief cut that makes the BUS have an unacceptable amount of play. One screw is a 4 way locator while the other is a 2 way locator. https://i.ibb.co/8DKX8Fz/perst3bus2.jpg I will take one when you get it worked out. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 3:11:43 PM EDT
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I know it's not a Perst-3 but anyways... I got a Perst 4 and noticed that the spill when using IR is little wierd. When you crank up the power, there are some artifacts that appear (like the spill on a flashlight) pretty far away from the laser. Maybe it's some imperfections on the glass lens? Do you guys have the same performance with your lasers? The laser itself seems fine and the dot on what I'm aiming at seems pretty uniform.
It's not a deal breaker and I have another Perst 4 enroute since they are pretty awesome overall. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 4:25:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got a Perst 4 and noticed that the spill when using IR is little wierd. When you crank up the power, there are some artifacts that appear (like the spill on a flashlight) pretty far away from the laser. Maybe it's some imperfections on the glass lens? Do you guys have the same performance with your lasers? The laser itself seems fine and the dot on what I'm aiming at seems pretty uniform. Yup - really noticeable indoors - outdoors, not really noticeable past about 10-15 yards on my 3. No idea what causes it - Power? Russian'ness?  |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 7:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup - really noticeable indoors - outdoors, not really noticeable past about 10-15 yards on my 3. No idea what causes it - Power? Russian'ness? 
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Posted: 10/13/2020 7:56:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: mostly that. dirty russian lasers. Exactly, would you expect any less? Some have more artifacts than others but I haven't seen any that present an issue. |
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Posted: 10/16/2020 10:13:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, would you expect any less? Some have more artifacts than others but I haven't seen any that present an issue. Thanks guys. Mine works great aside from that small concern. Wanted to make sure that wasn't indicative of a bigger problem. |
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Posted: 10/17/2020 11:24:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know it's not a Perst-3 but anyways... I got a Perst 4 and noticed that the spill when using IR is little wierd. When you crank up the power, there are some artifacts that appear (like the spill on a flashlight) pretty far away from the laser. Maybe it's some imperfections on the glass lens? Do you guys have the same performance with your lasers? The laser itself seems fine and the dot on what I'm aiming at seems pretty uniform. It's not a deal breaker and I have another Perst 4 enroute since they are pretty awesome overall. It seems to me that the glass lens isn't totally sealed up against the unit and it looks like some dust can get inside the laser module cavity. Putting some gasket maker or any other RTV around the inside edge of the metal ring could help alleviate any further ingress of debris. On another note, does anyone know the pinout for the PERST-3 or PERST-4 receptacles? I.E. what is pinned to these in the image? Trying to modify a Surefire switch for someone who wants my old SR07-D-IT with a new SA6 plug (not cannibalizing the wiring from a Zenitco switch) however I only definitively know the pinout for my PERST-4M. If anyone can jumper their pins on theirs and figure out what activates the laser, that would be helpful. From what I remember from my PERST-4+, the switch can be all of momentary, constant on, or strobe and is just determined by how long the switch is actuated. In case anyone is wondering, for the pinout for a switch for the PERST-4M is as follows:
I pinned mine to the latter since brightness adjustment is tied to the constant on in the case of the PERST-4M/P. |
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Posted: 10/17/2020 1:41:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems to me that the glass lens isn't totally sealed up against the unit and it looks like some dust can get inside the laser module cavity. Putting some gasket maker or any other RTV around the inside edge of the metal ring could help alleviate any further ingress of debris. On another note, does anyone know the pinout for the PERST-3 or PERST-4 receptacles? I.E. what is pinned to these in the image? Trying to modify a Surefire switch for someone who wants my old SR07-D-IT with a new SA6 plug (not cannibalizing the wiring from a Zenitco switch) however I only definitively know the pinout for my PERST-4M. If anyone can jumper their pins on theirs and figure out what activates the laser, that would be helpful. From what I remember from my PERST-4+, the switch can be all of momentary, constant on, or strobe and is just determined by how long the switch is actuated. In case anyone is wondering, for the pinout for a switch for the PERST-4M is as follows:
I pinned mine to the former since brightness adjustment is tied to the constant on in the case of the PERST-4M/P. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlNbfEZTFj0 I've had this video saved for a few weeks. hopefully that helps |
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Posted: 10/17/2020 4:02:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlNbfEZTFj0 I've had this video saved for a few weeks. hopefully that helps Yes, I had seen that video from page 50; the unfortunate part is that the author (and the authors of other splice videos) never did a continuity check on the donor SA6 plug to check which pins were connected to which wire. Polarity doesn't matter since it's just completing a circuit, but I need to figure out what pair of pins to short together. I'm using new SA6 connectors that I ordered from Alibaba. The easiest way to determine that is to have any of the PERST-3 and PERST-4 (other than P/M since I already figured that out for my own unit) owner use a short piece of wire to jumper pairs of pins together to see what actuates the laser(s). If I can get that knowledge, I think I'd be comfortable in offering switch conversion mods to a larger audience of PERST owners. Here's a couple pics of my own Hotbutton conversion.  
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Posted: 10/17/2020 11:19:45 PM EDT
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Another buddy converted to this madness!
He ordered a P3 on 9/26 from ebay and received it today 10/17. |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 6:47:08 AM EDT
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Any concerns of small splash back of the full power laser for those not shooting suppressed?
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Posted: 10/18/2020 6:59:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I also want another. wish they made them in tan. might hold out for one. ??? just paint it :) |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 7:01:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I also want another. wish they made them in tan. might hold out for one. ??? just paint it :) |
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Posted: 10/18/2020 8:51:24 AM EDT
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Righty-O!
 I use Duracoat "Magpul Tan". All things considered, probably the best coating to use, IMHO. On the splash-back, yes, it will score the diffuser cover (and laser pointer cover as well, if installed). They definitely need to be taped up (for training) since the lens covers are just plastic. If you had to use it un-suppressed, and damage it, Ivan and Zenitco are pretty good about sending replacement parts. And shipping is definitely improving. I am in for a batt cover/ FS post. Would you be willing to look at different heights for passive shooting set ups? Something in the 2.25" range. And if you guys get the wiring sorted out, definitely in for a new tape switch and/or possibly a Hot button with Sino-Russian style connector. The dust thing inside the housing sounds interesting. Do you think that contributes to the artifact issue? Are these things sealed and nitro-purged? If not how a big a deal would it be to crack them open, blow them out, and re-seal (with new lenses if possible). Can you say warranty voided in Russian? |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 9:22:29 AM EDT
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^^^^ Rust-oleum is your friend
 I tend to use a mesh gauze and hit every thing with three colours (forest green, army green and khaki - different proportions for different occasions) and some stripes...........looks messy, chuck it in a bush and you'll struggle to find it Note: don't forget to use masking tape where required - once hit the objective of a DR 1x4....ssshhhhh https://www.rustoleum.com.au/product-catalog/consumer-brands/specialty/camouflage-spray/ |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 1:05:15 PM EDT
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Anyone order anything from Russian-Thunder recently? I ordered from Ivan and Russian thunder the same day. The stuff from Ivan Tac should be here tomorrow but the Russian Thunder order hasn't even shipped. Tried emailing and haven't gotten anything.
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Posted: 10/20/2020 5:02:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Update from BPT for those waiting on lasers: "I have worked it out with zenitco to get a duplicate shipment sent. it went out on the 20th, this is its latest update: September 30, 2020, 10:13 pm Processed Through Facility MOSKVA PCI-8 EMS, RUSSIAN FEDERATION Your item has been processed through a facility in MOSKVA PCI-8 EMS, RUSSIAN FEDERATION on September 30, 2020 at 10:13 pm. give me about 14-21 days to see if this package will arrive in a timely manner." Sounds like he has 2x shipments on the way - the one that has been missing since July and this new one. Hopefully one or the other will show up soon. Is there any update on this particular shipment? |
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Posted: 10/20/2020 9:30:03 AM EDT
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If I recall, a few(!) pages back, Russian Thunder didn't have a very good customer service rep. Ivan is GTG.
Nothing on the BPT deal yet. Probably a customs issue. Good lord just finished 85 pages of the Sionyx thread. They are (and should) be interested in Perst Lasers. |
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Posted: 10/20/2020 11:37:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good lord just finished 85 pages of the Sionyx thread. They are (and should) be interested in Perst Lasers. The PERST-3 Illuminator is almost too powerful for the Aurora Pro. I don't know how much oscillation exists with laser diodes (I know LEDS fluctuate like crazy) but being able to grab everything up to 1100nm, I would like 1 or 2 clicks *lower* power on it. I played with it a lot a few nights ago - it's good at 50 yards, fully widened (screwed in) on lowest power. Closer than that, best results were with the diffuser cap on and cranked up to MAX power. |
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Posted: 10/20/2020 12:01:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I recall, a few(!) pages back, Russian Thunder didn't have a very good customer service rep. Ivan is GTG. Nothing on the BPT deal yet. Probably a customs issue. Good lord just finished 85 pages of the Sionyx thread. They are (and should) be interested in Perst Lasers. Zenitco on Ebay is good to go as well. I got mine in a little over 2 weeks and I think it was the same for others as well. |
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Posted: 10/20/2020 4:02:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Zenitco on Ebay is good to go as well. I got mine in a little over 2 weeks and I think it was the same for others as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I recall, a few(!) pages back, Russian Thunder didn't have a very good customer service rep. Ivan is GTG. Nothing on the BPT deal yet. Probably a customs issue. Good lord just finished 85 pages of the Sionyx thread. They are (and should) be interested in Perst Lasers. Zenitco on Ebay is good to go as well. I got mine in a little over 2 weeks and I think it was the same for others as well. I'm glad some of you guys are getting fast shipping. I ordered almost a month ago from Ivan Tactical and it is still in Russia. Released from customs over 2 weeks ago and no movement since. 
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Posted: 10/20/2020 4:27:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm glad some of you guys are getting fast shipping. I ordered almost a month ago from Ivan Tactical and it is still in Russia. Released from customs over 2 weeks ago and no movement since. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If I recall, a few(!) pages back, Russian Thunder didn't have a very good customer service rep. Ivan is GTG. Nothing on the BPT deal yet. Probably a customs issue. Good lord just finished 85 pages of the Sionyx thread. They are (and should) be interested in Perst Lasers. Zenitco on Ebay is good to go as well. I got mine in a little over 2 weeks and I think it was the same for others as well. I'm glad some of you guys are getting fast shipping. I ordered almost a month ago from Ivan Tactical and it is still in Russia. Released from customs over 2 weeks ago and no movement since. |
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Posted: 10/20/2020 5:44:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm glad some of you guys are getting fast shipping. I ordered almost a month ago from Ivan Tactical and it is still in Russia. Released from customs over 2 weeks ago and no movement since. Same boat man. Been sitting in Moscow since Sept. 25 |
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Posted: 10/20/2020 8:00:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same boat man. Been sitting in Moscow since Sept. 25 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm glad some of you guys are getting fast shipping. I ordered almost a month ago from Ivan Tactical and it is still in Russia. Released from customs over 2 weeks ago and no movement since. Same boat man. Been sitting in Moscow since Sept. 25 I had a silicone valve for my car sitting in Russian customers for two months. A circular disk of silicone lol |
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Posted: 10/22/2020 5:52:09 PM EDT
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Quick question about a Perst 4.
While using the IR laser on the low power settings, when I first activate the laser, it seems to brightly flash on a higher setting for a split second and then continue to illuminate at whatever setting I have the unit set on. From my research so far, it seems that this is normal behavior. It doesn't seem to be going to light saber intensity but it's definitely brighter than the what I have selected. My concern though is that it's temporarily going to a non-eye safe intensity. Thanks in advance for the input. |
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Posted: 10/22/2020 6:03:51 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick question about a Perst 4. While using the IR laser on the low power settings, when I first activate the laser, it seems to brightly flash on a higher setting for a split second and then continue to illuminate at whatever setting I have the unit set on. From my research so far, it seems that this is normal behavior. It doesn't seem to be going to light saber intensity but it's definitely brighter than the what I have selected. My concern though is that it's temporarily going to a non-eye safe intensity. Thanks in advance for the input. Mine all do that. A really quick flash. |
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Posted: 10/22/2020 6:49:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My concern though is that it's temporarily going to a non-eye safe intensity. I, personally, always assume my zenitco products are not eye safe. That loosely translated manual that says 'eye-safe' doesn't imbue me with confidence that their laser will not blind me or my dog. |
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Posted: 10/22/2020 7:20:01 PM EDT
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well the laser is on a gun. dont point guns at things you dont want to destroy. only real issue is reflective surfaces you do want to destroy.
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Posted: 10/22/2020 7:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well the laser is on a gun. dont point guns at things you dont want to destroy. only real issue is reflective surfaces you do want to destroy. Well..... unless there's a blue bolt in my gun. But anyways, sounds like there's no hard data that we can trust out there saying this is eye safe. I'll refrain from force on force with it. |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 2:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there any update on this particular shipment? I am over 90 days, still waiting. Was going to cancel until I heard that he had another shipment. I am about done waiting. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 1:38:37 PM EDT
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Got an email from BPT today and he said that his order is still not in the US.
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Posted: 10/24/2020 4:43:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got an email from BPT today and he said that his order is still not in the US. Damn... I might just order one on eBay and see how it goes. I feel for the guy but I need something before my NODs arrive |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:01:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I had seen that video from page 50; the unfortunate part is that the author (and the authors of other splice videos) never did a continuity check on the donor SA6 plug to check which pins were connected to which wire. Polarity doesn't matter since it's just completing a circuit, but I need to figure out what pair of pins to short together. I'm using new SA6 connectors that I ordered from Alibaba. The easiest way to determine that is to have any of the PERST-3 and PERST-4 (other than P/M since I already figured that out for my own unit) owner use a short piece of wire to jumper pairs of pins together to see what actuates the laser(s). If I can get that knowledge, I think I'd be comfortable in offering switch conversion mods to a larger audience of PERST owners. Here's a couple pics of my own Hotbutton conversion. https://i.imgur.com/D0kCP8U.jpg https://i.imgur.com/l8GrYAa.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlNbfEZTFj0 I've had this video saved for a few weeks. hopefully that helps Yes, I had seen that video from page 50; the unfortunate part is that the author (and the authors of other splice videos) never did a continuity check on the donor SA6 plug to check which pins were connected to which wire. Polarity doesn't matter since it's just completing a circuit, but I need to figure out what pair of pins to short together. I'm using new SA6 connectors that I ordered from Alibaba. The easiest way to determine that is to have any of the PERST-3 and PERST-4 (other than P/M since I already figured that out for my own unit) owner use a short piece of wire to jumper pairs of pins together to see what actuates the laser(s). If I can get that knowledge, I think I'd be comfortable in offering switch conversion mods to a larger audience of PERST owners. Here's a couple pics of my own Hotbutton conversion. https://i.imgur.com/D0kCP8U.jpg https://i.imgur.com/l8GrYAa.jpg @Scytheras Tell us about your sling. In particular who makes the hardware? Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 6:57:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Perst-4 owner here and wanted to share my light solution. I mounted the Streamlight RM2 on a Magpul cantilever mlok light mount on a MI Combat rail with fractions of a mm clearance. A sweep of the thumb to activate the light or laser.
Hmm, image posting issue. gotta use your imagination I guess. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 6:23:05 PM EDT
[#41]
I'm considering opening a dispute with my CC company before it's too late. We are almost at 60 days since I purchased it from Ivan -- it's been sitting in Russian customs for 45 days.
No fault on Ivan's part, but damn, not sure if it's lost or not. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 6:54:38 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm considering opening a dispute with my CC company before it's too late. We are almost at 60 days since I purchased it from Ivan -- it's been sitting in Russian customs for 45 days. No fault on Ivan's part, but damn, not sure if it's lost or not. Damn that sucks man. Is it still in customs? Mine was handed over to customs at 03:09 one morning and cleared customs at 03:10 same morning. Then stayed in that status for six days. Then updated to processed through a facility in MOSKVA PCI 7, RUSSIAN FEDERATION where it has remained for over three weeks. I contacted Ivan about it and he assured me that it was not lost. He said Russian post office has never lost one of their packages. Says it is because of covid. They used to ship on passenger aircraft , but now only cargo aircraft. But 45 days in customs can't be good. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 8:03:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn that sucks man. Is it still in customs? Mine was handed over to customs at 03:09 one morning and cleared customs at 03:10 same morning. Then stayed in that status for six days. Then updated to processed through a facility in MOSKVA PCI 7, RUSSIAN FEDERATION where it has remained for over three weeks. I contacted Ivan about it and he assured me that it was not lost. He said Russian post office has never lost one of their packages. Says it is because of covid. They used to ship on passenger aircraft , but now only cargo aircraft. But 45 days in customs can't be good. That's what I'm thinking, it can't be a good sign. I feel like a jerk opening a dispute, but I have to protect myself just in case. If I recieve it before the dispute is solved, then I will close the dispute. It's really all I can do at this point. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 8:10:05 PM EDT
[#44]
I don't blame you. Hopefully I don't have to go that route. If you would, keep us updated.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 9:07:10 PM EDT
[#45]
MOSKVA PCI 7, RUSSIAN FEDERATION is where my Perst-4 currently is.
Fingers crossed. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 10:07:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MOSKVA PCI 7, RUSSIAN FEDERATION is where my Perst-4 currently is. Fingers crossed. How long has it been there? |
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Posted: 10/26/2020 12:32:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long has it been there? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: MOSKVA PCI 7, RUSSIAN FEDERATION is where my Perst-4 currently is. Fingers crossed. How long has it been there? About 4 days now. It took 5 days to get there from MOSKVA PCI-8 EMS. |
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Posted: 10/26/2020 9:04:28 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Scytheras Tell us about your sling. In particular who makes the hardware? Thanks. It's an Edgar Sherman Design (ESD) sling. Front sling loop is the Strike Industries Quick Detach Sling Loop. Essentially it is a slightly modified Magpul QDM; I bought it because the latter is basically unobtanium in the past few months. QD loop on the rear is a standard one from Damage Industries. Also, for those modding their switches: I worked in conjunction with another redditor to find out that on regular PERST-4 units, the remote switch is connected to pins 1+2 for both momentary and constant-on. |
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Posted: 10/26/2020 9:54:35 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's an Edgar Sherman Design (ESD) sling. Front sling loop is the Strike Industries Quick Detach Sling Loop. Essentially it is a slightly modified Magpul QDM; I bought it because the latter is basically unobtanium in the past few months. QD loop on the rear is a standard one from Damage Industries. Also, for those modding their switches: I worked in conjunction with another redditor to find out that on regular PERST-4 units, the remote switch is connected to pins 1+2 for both momentary and constant-on. ESD slings have quickly become my favorite (by far) and they found their way onto all my rifles :) |
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Posted: 10/26/2020 6:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I'm thinking, it can't be a good sign. I feel like a jerk opening a dispute, but I have to protect myself just in case. If I recieve it before the dispute is solved, then I will close the dispute. It's really all I can do at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn that sucks man. Is it still in customs? Mine was handed over to customs at 03:09 one morning and cleared customs at 03:10 same morning. Then stayed in that status for six days. Then updated to processed through a facility in MOSKVA PCI 7, RUSSIAN FEDERATION where it has remained for over three weeks. I contacted Ivan about it and he assured me that it was not lost. He said Russian post office has never lost one of their packages. Says it is because of covid. They used to ship on passenger aircraft , but now only cargo aircraft. But 45 days in customs can't be good. That's what I'm thinking, it can't be a good sign. I feel like a jerk opening a dispute, but I have to protect myself just in case. If I recieve it before the dispute is solved, then I will close the dispute. It's really all I can do at this point. Try emailing Ivan and see if he’ll get another moving for you. That’s what he did for me when my P2 say in limbo for over a month back in the Dec/Jan timeframe. He just asked that I refuse the first order if it ever arrived. It showed up a couple weeks after the second one arrived and I liked it so much I asked him to charge me for it, but not the expedited shipping. He set up a special webpage for me, sent the link, and I paid to keep both. |
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