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Posted: 9/17/2020 9:36:07 AM EDT
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Does anyone know what page it was talked about for the butler creek cover that was used as a make shift cover on the laser for the P3?
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Posted: 9/17/2020 4:47:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ordered Perst 4 on Ebay Sep 9th, shipped 11th, arrived in USA on 16th.  Received!   Attached File |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 5:44:18 PM EDT
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Hellifi know what page but it was a Butler Creek #1 "Blizzard" model, which I don't recommend cuz I swear the laser was crazing the clear plastic lens. Going to an all rubber, flip off cover now. Still a BC #1, just solid cover. It is approx 1" dia.
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Posted: 9/17/2020 7:04:41 PM EDT
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On another note, I have a buddy who got a Perst-3, who's buddy then got a Perst-3, and was not happy with it, for whatever reason. Zenitco did not hesitate to send him another replacement unit. So not only are shipping times back to semi-normal, but the Russians are trying like hell to match US-style CS. Which is sorta over-the-top sometimes, but neither here nor there.
So I know there has been much pissing and moaning here about shipping, and CS, and QC, but you have to give the devil his due. These guys are trying like hell to compete on a world market. And are seeing some success, IMHO. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 8:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hellifi know what page but it was a Butler Creek #1 "Blizzard" model, which I don't recommend cuz I swear the laser was crazing the clear plastic lens. Going to an all rubber, flip off cover now. Still a BC #1, just solid cover. It is approx 1" dia. https://i.imgur.com/YoJvrvb.jpg Thank you so much!! |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 3:29:32 PM EDT
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Ordered a P3 from Ivan on AUG 27, shipped AUG 28, got a "We missed you note" from USPS on SEP 19. Not too shabby. Looking forward to trying it out.
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Posted: 9/19/2020 5:04:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2020 6:29:52 AM EDT
[#8]
found this video on how to splice your perst in with a surefire dual pressure pad
https://youtu.be/PlNbfEZTFj0 |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 7:59:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: found this video on how to splice your perst in with a surefire dual pressure pad https://youtu.be/PlNbfEZTFj0 Embedded YouTube video for you:  So... you want to use a surefire pressure switch for your PERST? Here's how! |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 11:42:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On another note, I have a buddy who got a Perst-3, who's buddy then got a Perst-3, and was not happy with it, for whatever reason. Zenitco did not hesitate to send him another replacement unit. So not only are shipping times back to semi-normal, but the Russians are trying like hell to match US-style CS. Which is sorta over-the-top sometimes, but neither here nor there. So I know there has been much pissing and moaning here about shipping, and CS, and QC, but you have to give the devil his due. These guys are trying like hell to compete on a world market. And are seeing some success, IMHO. Where does this come from? I have yet to hear of someone who encountered bad customer service. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 12:19:07 PM EDT
[#11]
does anyone have 1 or 2 spare SA6 plugs I could buy? I'd like to add a dual switch to my setup.
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Posted: 9/20/2020 1:22:11 PM EDT
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Is there a page or ref for perst 3 mounting preference and why?
12:00, 3:00 or 9. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 1:52:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a page or ref for perst 3 mounting preference and why? 12:00, 3:00 or 9. Why not 6? |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 8:11:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not 6? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there a page or ref for perst 3 mounting preference and why? 12:00, 3:00 or 9. Why not 6? I don't know. I suppose I've never seen it mounted that way. Is that your preference? |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 8:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: does anyone have 1 or 2 spare SA6 plugs I could buy? I'd like to add a dual switch to my setup. I have an order in for 20, but manufacturer still not giving me a clear answer when they will ship. Alibaba is clearly not Amazon Prime. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 9:10:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. I suppose I've never seen it mounted that way. Is that your preference? Just being dumb. I think most would agree 12:00 on an AR is the best location. Maybe 9 but 3 would put your laser at a weird offset. 12 keeps it out of the way most of the time shooting against or around obstacles. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 10:29:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just being dumb. I think most would agree 12:00 on an AR is the best location. Maybe 9 but 3 would put your laser at a weird offset. 12 keeps it out of the way most of the time shooting against or around obstacles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't know. I suppose I've never seen it mounted that way. Is that your preference? Just being dumb. I think most would agree 12:00 on an AR is the best location. Maybe 9 but 3 would put your laser at a weird offset. 12 keeps it out of the way most of the time shooting against or around obstacles. I got around to sighting mine in today. My son was having a kick shooting steel at 100 yards with sight over bore. I put it at 12 on an 11.5 pistol. Trained it into my red dot and had it zeroed in 10 mins. I'm glad I went with a 3 instead of the 4. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 11:30:55 PM EDT
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Decided to put my PERST4M at the 12oclock. CI7 IR Light is at the 7. Feels better and doesn't interfere with optics.
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Posted: 9/20/2020 11:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Decided to put my PERST4M at the 12oclock. CI7 IR Light is at the 7. Feels better and doesn't interfere with optics. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/199158/20200920_233244_jpg-1600878.JPG That PERST-4M is fucking awesome! I like mine a lot! 
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Posted: 9/21/2020 12:12:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That PERST-4M is fucking awesome! I like mine a lot! What’s a good price? |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 12:19:41 AM EDT
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I paid $645 on eBay. Zenitco doesnt have any up on eBay right now.
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Posted: 9/21/2020 12:33:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I paid $645 on eBay. Zenitco doesnt have any up on eBay right now. That’s a huge price spread  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 12:35:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a huge price spread https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/184182/3E2B47BF-2F70-4520-A4A6-A43883B43FBD_jpe-1600922.JPG The 4M is the super green laser version. Laser power in max. brightness: green - not lower than 35 mW, IR - not lower than 18 mW |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 12:50:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 4M is the super green laser version. Laser power in max. brightness: green - not lower than 35 mW, IR - not lower than 18 mW And the 4M is smaller. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 9:15:23 PM EDT
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Does anyone know if a Modlite Modswitch with a Fusion Lightwing from Unity will fit under a Perst 3? Trying to find a workable solution for my white light. I'm going to be activating my Perst with the buttons on thr unit and the Modswitch would sit nicely right behind it.
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Posted: 9/21/2020 9:20:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know if a Modlite Modswitch with a Fusion Lightwing from Unity will fit under a Perst 3? Trying to find a workable solution for my white light. I'm going to be activating my Perst with the buttons on thr unit and the Modswitch would sit nicely right behind it. |
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Posted: 9/22/2020 5:43:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO the hot setup has already been posted a ways back. the unity hot button hard up against the perst with the perst tape switch butted up against that. tucks in really nice. if only unity hot buttons existed. Tried this. The Hot Button prevented me from operating the Perst efficiently from my offhand. I'm not using the Perst tape switch, not enough real estate. |
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Posted: 9/22/2020 10:51:05 AM EDT
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Ah, must be a shorter rail. Since all the cool switches are unobtainium I'm using zenitco tape switch and the tail cap on the scout light. I really want a double switch setup as it's a bit of a reach to hit the tail cap.
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Posted: 9/22/2020 12:14:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, must be a shorter rail. Since all the cool switches are unobtainium I'm using zenitco tape switch and the tail cap on the scout light. I really want a double switch setup as it's a bit of a reach to hit the tail cap. I have a TAPS SYNC that was on the gun previously when I had a DBAL A3. That doesn't fit with the Perst mounted and I really didn't want to modify the TAPS as I can use it on another build. On page 42 of this thread someone mentioned that the Lightwing mounted on the Modbutton will clear a Perst 3. I just ordered a right handed Lightwing and now have to wait on the Modbutton to come back in stock to verify this. |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 8:33:48 AM EDT
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I played with my Perst-3 over the weekend. I was a bit surprised by the size of the "dot" projected by the IR laser. It seems rather large.
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Posted: 9/23/2020 1:36:26 PM EDT
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So if anyone needs to replace the illuminator adjusting screw I have a box of 98 left over.
I dicked up one the hex heads and stripped it out trying to align the illuminator to the laser. McMaster-Carr had what I needed and its a good alloy steel so not likely to strip. It's an M2 x 0.4mm by 10mm long. |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 2:08:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I played with my Perst-3 over the weekend. I was a bit surprised by the size of the "dot" projected by the IR laser. It seems rather large. It *is* 'biggish' even at min power. |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 2:19:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It *is* 'biggish' even at min power. Do you have a red and a green+? |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 2:32:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a red and a green+? PERST-3 Green Std. The Green is fine, the IR is on the "fluffy" side, but I only have a Civvie Holosun LS321 to compare to. It's still fine on a 'Bob' dummy out to 100 - but that's as far as I can go on my property. This is also with Aurora Pro's - which see up to 1100nm, which may make it bloom more? I'd like to see pics/vid through Analog Gen 3 to compare. |
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Posted: 9/24/2020 4:16:38 AM EDT
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I ordered a perst-3+ from black phase tactical on june 11 and still haven’t received it. Anyone else in the same boat?
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Posted: 9/24/2020 3:48:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ordered a perst-3+ from black phase tactical on june 11 and still haven’t received it. Anyone else in the same boat? Several of us. Read back a few pages for updates from an acquaintance of the owner. Short story is that they're on the way but stuck or lost somewhere between Russia and the US. I am trying to hang in there as long as possible because it isn't the owners fault, just a symptom of the times, so I don't want him to be out a bunch of orders. You'll have to decide at what point you will need to cancel the order / chargeback the amount. I think I'm going to give it another month or so; but at some point I need something to shoot with and don't have the money for 2x LAMs. |
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Posted: 9/25/2020 1:27:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Several of us. Read back a few pages for updates from an acquaintance of the owner. Short story is that they're on the way but stuck or lost somewhere between Russia and the US. I am trying to hang in there as long as possible because it isn't the owners fault, just a symptom of the times, so I don't want him to be out a bunch of orders. You'll have to decide at what point you will need to cancel the order / chargeback the amount. I think I'm going to give it another month or so; but at some point I need something to shoot with and don't have the money for 2x LAMs. Since May, but I'll also wait one more month... |
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Posted: 9/25/2020 2:10:14 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PERST-3 Green Std. The Green is fine, the IR is on the "fluffy" side, but I only have a Civvie Holosun LS321 to compare to. It's still fine on a 'Bob' dummy out to 100 - but that's as far as I can go on my property. This is also with Aurora Pro's - which see up to 1100nm, which may make it bloom more? I'd like to see pics/vid through Analog Gen 3 to compare. The Aurora definitely causes more bloom. I have a green+ 3 that doesn't adjust down as dim as my red 3s. I also have a 4 green+ that adjusts down pretty low like the red ones. |
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Posted: 9/25/2020 3:03:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Aurora definitely causes more bloom. I have a green+ 3 that doesn't adjust down as dim as my red 3s. I also have a 4 green+ that adjusts down pretty low like the red ones. Thanks. Yea, I figured - also interesting about the variation between your units. Color of target matters too - black steel probably looks ok - I've got Dark brown doors on my 'test shed' and it looks good. I stuck a Chinese made CQR Combat Shirt on 'Bob' and it lit up like a neon sign, but within 100 there was still plenty of area to "center" it. I'm going to try again with a UF Pro shirt. I'm still playing around but it's real world workable, if not ideal. It's like if it had one or two button/knob clicks lower, it would be perfect. |
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Posted: 9/25/2020 3:08:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. Yea, I figured - also interesting about the variation between your units. Color of target matters too - black steel probably looks ok - I've got Dark brown doors on my 'test shed' and it looks good. I stuck a Chinese made CQR Combat Shirt on 'Bob' and it lit up like a neon sign, but within 100 there was still plenty of area to "center" it. I'm going to try again with a UF Pro shirt. I'm still playing around but it's real world workable, if not ideal. It's like if it had one or two button/knob clicks lower, it would be perfect. My red units can adjust low enough to eliminate bloom at 50yards, probably still some up closer. That is with a white steel target. Going to any of the Ohio night shoots? |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 12:42:50 AM EDT
[#41]
Perst 3 repair
9/21/20 Arrived at delivery office in Oryol |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 1:17:30 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shew. I saw one guy had his delivered to an address in Switzerland, thought mine was about to go stamp collecting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep mine did Shew. I saw one guy had his delivered to an address in Switzerland, thought mine was about to go stamp collecting. Nah mine made it. Didn’t show one by one updates when I saw it in Poland. Was Moscow, some other city, Poland a few times, then JFK |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 6:23:45 AM EDT
[#43]
Well, better get these Persts while you can. Some clown on the Night Vision 101 FB group posted a FDA agent's email address and told people to email him about buying a Perst as the FDA is looking into them coming into the States..
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Posted: 9/28/2020 7:50:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, better get these Persts while you can. Some clown on the Night Vision 101 FB group posted a FDA agent's email address and told people to email him about buying a Perst as the FDA is looking into them coming into the States.. Why would they be interested in those when you can get lasers that light matches and pop ballons or is it only IR that has the no no. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:24:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would they be interested in those when you can get lasers that light matches and pop ballons or is it only IR that has the no no. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, better get these Persts while you can. Some clown on the Night Vision 101 FB group posted a FDA agent's email address and told people to email him about buying a Perst as the FDA is looking into them coming into the States.. Why would they be interested in those when you can get lasers that light matches and pop ballons or is it only IR that has the no no. Do we actually have any proof of this? Or just I heard it from so and so, and he heard it from so and so. Garand Thumb? Lol who is basically a shill |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 8:36:55 AM EDT
[#46]
Well yeah since someone brought this up, my boss apporached several of these big name reviewers and surprise! they want thousands of dollars to pimp your product. So yeah that is confirmed; they are just shills. Buyer beware.
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Posted: 9/28/2020 9:43:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well yeah since someone brought this up, my boss apporached several of these big name reviewers and surprise! they want thousands of dollars to pimp your product. So yeah that is confirmed; they are just shills. Buyer beware. Grand Thumb (on YouTube) pointed out a Perst 3 on one of his builds and stated that it is in testing and that he wasn't really to talk about it yet. I'll try to dig up the video... |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 9:59:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Grand Thumb (on YouTube) pointed out a Perst 3 on one of his builds and stated that it is in testing and that he wasn't really to talk about it yet. I'll try to dig up the video... Found it. Garand Thumb's LMT MARS-H 308 / 6.5 Creedmoor review...  Attached FileLink that starts at the 10 min. mark: https://youtu.be/x1_zQKBQ4yw?t=600 or... Go to the 10 minute mark in the following video:  LMT MARS-H 308 / 6.5 creedmoor (SR-25 has competition!) |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 10:04:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do we actually have any proof of this? Or just I heard it from so and so, and he heard it from so and so. Garand Thumb? Lol who is basically a shill No proof, just what this guy is saying on FB. The problem is those idiots are going to actually email that agent and ask questions about the Perst legality. Sort of like they did with the ATF and braces. |
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Posted: 9/28/2020 10:46:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No proof, just what this guy is saying on FB. The problem is those idiots are going to actually email that agent and ask questions about the Perst legality. Sort of like they did with the ATF and braces. That guy is making/marketing his own LAMs. It's possible he's heard this while going through the process of trying to obtain a variance to market/sell his own IR lasers. I certainly hope he didn't himself bring it to their attention for selfish purposes. I don't know him, have never dealt with him, and we don't carry his product(s), so I have no inside information, and cannot and will not speculate on which it is. That being said, as always, you usually can only make so much money for so long before the Federal government takes notice and either wants a piece of the action or wants to shut you down.  ~Augee |
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