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Posted: 12/16/2018 4:22:00 PM EDT
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OP sucks.
No commie LAM for you sir. PEQ-2A for the win. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 2:37:31 AM EDT
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For 1k look at a DBAL D2. The big attraction to mil LAMs is the illuminator not so much the laser due to blooming. The D2 illuminator will get you past 500+ meters. Also with my limited experience with Russian electronics they seem to be more built for quantity vs quality.
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Posted: 12/19/2018 11:52:21 AM EDT
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For 1k look at a DBAL D2. The big attraction to mil LAMs is the illuminator not so much the laser due to blooming. The D2 illuminator will get you past 500+ meters. Also with my limited experience with Russian electronics they seem to be more built for quantity vs quality. |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 11:41:16 AM EDT
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The fact that it's like 25mw laser output is interesting.
I might get a Perst-4 or 1, both of which have 3-4mw output for a longer range build/ non-clone. I kind of want a lightsaber. |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 5:20:27 PM EDT
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I ordered a Perst-4. It's the same price as an OTAL but with dual laser beamz. Shipping from Russia sucks. It's in NY somewhere now. Ordered on the 12th...
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Posted: 12/20/2018 6:20:25 PM EDT
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I ordered a Perst-4. It's the same price as an OTAL but with dual laser beamz. Shipping from Russia sucks. It's in NY somewhere now. Ordered on the 12th... |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 1:28:02 AM EDT
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Have a perst 4, it's nice and built tough.
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Posted: 12/23/2018 6:17:01 PM EDT
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I ordered a Perst-4. It's the same price as an OTAL but with dual laser beamz. Shipping from Russia sucks. It's in NY somewhere now. Ordered on the 12th... I'm sort of leaning towards the D2, though, as it only weights a little more than the Perst while still having a reasonable illuminator. |
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Posted: 12/23/2018 6:33:46 PM EDT
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I'd be very interested, as well. My biggest concern is long term durability, I'm guessing warranty repair is out of the question on them. I'm sort of leaning towards the D2, though, as it only weights a little more than the Perst while still having a reasonable illuminator. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I ordered a Perst-4. It's the same price as an OTAL but with dual laser beamz. Shipping from Russia sucks. It's in NY somewhere now. Ordered on the 12th... I'm sort of leaning towards the D2, though, as it only weights a little more than the Perst while still having a reasonable illuminator. Is this Rooskie mil issue? |
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Posted: 12/23/2018 6:44:31 PM EDT
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Dude if its only the price of an OTAL (OTALs are $400 new), I would just snag it. Appears to be a full power unit according to what a poster mentioned above....not positive on that tho. Is this Rooskie mil issue? It’s not PEQ15 power unless you get the Perst-3 (listed as 25mw). The Perst-1 and Perst-4 are 3mw and 4mw respectively. So much higher power than a PEQ15c. This is all what I’ve found from quick googling, so don’t take what I’ve said as a hard fact lol. |
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Posted: 12/23/2018 6:44:45 PM EDT
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Have a perst 4, it's nice and built tough. |
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Posted: 12/23/2018 7:33:04 PM EDT
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Apparently it’s the Russian equivalent of KAC gear. They make rails and stuff too, and it’s supposed to be “SOF used” but then again people can say that about latex gloves and toothbrushes too lol. I cannot find a source tht says it’s issued, or one that says it isn’t but I haven’t looked too deep. It’s not PEQ15 power unless you get the Perst-3 (listed as 25mw). The Perst-1 and Perst-4 are 3mw and 4mw respectively. So much higher power than a PEQ15c. This is all what I’ve found from quick googling, so don’t take what I’ve said as a hard fact lol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dude if its only the price of an OTAL (OTALs are $400 new), I would just snag it. Appears to be a full power unit according to what a poster mentioned above....not positive on that tho. Is this Rooskie mil issue? It’s not PEQ15 power unless you get the Perst-3 (listed as 25mw). The Perst-1 and Perst-4 are 3mw and 4mw respectively. So much higher power than a PEQ15c. This is all what I’ve found from quick googling, so don’t take what I’ve said as a hard fact lol. I might snag one one day just to play with it. Ill prob be sticking with L3/Steiner/B.E.M. for my "do not fucking die" guns tho 
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Posted: 12/23/2018 7:45:27 PM EDT
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Ahhh gotcha. And no Russian version of ITAR issues getting the full power unit in here? Noice! I might snag one one day just to play with it. Ill prob be sticking with L3/Steiner/B.E.M. for my "do not fucking die" guns tho |
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Posted: 12/23/2018 7:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently it’s the Russian equivalent of KAC gear. They make rails and stuff too, and it’s supposed to be “SOF used” but then again people can say that about latex gloves and toothbrushes too lol. I cannot find a source tht says it’s issued, or one that says it isn’t but I haven’t looked too deep. It’s not PEQ15 power unless you get the Perst-3 (listed as 25mw). The Perst-1 and Perst-4 are 3mw and 4mw respectively. So much higher power than a PEQ15c. This is all what I’ve found from quick googling, so don’t take what I’ve said as a hard fact lol. |
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Posted: 12/23/2018 8:37:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see 20mw for the Perst-3 IR.
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Posted: 12/23/2018 8:58:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/23/2018 9:12:49 PM EDT
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I have a Perst-1 but haven't shot with it yet. It'll be a couple weeks before I get a chance.
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Posted: 12/23/2018 9:14:30 PM EDT
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No worries! I do see a lot of hinting on eBay regarding actual power output of these. Really tempting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/24/2018 11:54:47 AM EDT
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That perst 4..
And perst 3 Tempting.. I just was gonna get the Steiner dbal d2..for my stuff in the states. Wondering if I can order it in Hungary. For Hungary I got a surplus peq2 unit that was deactivated by jbwelding the laser holes. I just drilled it out and cleaned it up. Of course..I know I can't bring it back to the US. Does anyone have one please. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 10:57:19 PM EDT
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Where are you buying these from, ebay?
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Posted: 12/25/2018 12:39:25 AM EDT
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So I got my Perst-4 in today. It's a full moon out. So I took it out to play. No shooting, but I figured out a lot.
I should preface this and say that I don't have any experience with any other laser devices other than my TLR-2 IR. So this should be pretty unbiased.
So the main unit has a lever with three options: IR, OFF, and VIS. There are two buttons for intensity. And two large buttons, one on top and one in the back to turn the laser on and off. Double tapping those turn on a strobe. The buttons are difficult to press with thick(ish) gloves. And they don't give very good positive feedback. That's my only complaint with the main unit. It comes with a remote pressure switch as well. The pressure switch has a big, fat pressure pad that works well with said gloves. It also has a knob that controls intensity which I like. It also has a safety that prevents a ND. My complaint with the pressure switch is that it's big and not ergonomic at all. The laser itself works well. I had no issues lasing my neighbor's house 200 yards away. It's got a weird shape to the laser image. It's not a nice round dot, but a fat / looking shape. Not an issue for me, but I can see it if I focus on it. Maybe it's my astigmatism, idk. All in all, I like it. But I need an illuminator. I may throw a Torch on there if I can find room. There's not much room on an AK SBR. 
I hope this gives some of you answers. ETA: I got mine from Ivan Tactical. But I'm pretty sure it's the same seller on eBay.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 1:12:53 AM EDT
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I like that pressure pad. Unit looks kind of sweet too. You should get some beam shots or a vid
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Posted: 12/25/2018 12:59:31 PM EDT
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So I got my Perst-4 in today. It's a full moon out. So I took it out to play. No shooting, but I figured out a lot. I should preface this and say that I don't have any experience with any other laser devices other than my TLR-2 IR. So this should be pretty unbiased.
So the main unit has a lever with three options: IR, OFF, and VIS. There are two buttons for intensity. And two large buttons, one on top and one in the back to turn the laser on and off. Double tapping those turn on a strobe. The buttons are difficult to press with thick(ish) gloves. And they don't give very good positive feedback. That's my only complaint with the main unit. It comes with a remote pressure switch as well. The pressure switch has a big, fat pressure pad that works well with said gloves. It also has a knob that controls intensity which I like. It also has a safety that prevents a ND. My complaint with the pressure switch is that it's big and not ergonomic at all. The laser itself works well. I had no issues lasing my neighbor's house 200 yards away. It's got a weird shape to the laser image. It's not a nice round dot, but a fat / looking shape. Not an issue for me, but I can see it if I focus on it. Maybe it's my astigmatism, idk. All in all, I like it. But I need an illuminator. I may throw a Torch on there if I can find room. There's not much room on an AK SBR.
I hope this gives some of you answers. ETA: I got mine from Ivan Tactical. But I'm pretty sure it's the same seller on eBay. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/127213/20181224_223411_1__jpg-784543.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/127213/20181224_223458_1__jpg-784546.JPG ZenitCo Perst-4 gen.2 dual green+ visible/IR tactical laser designator Visible green+ powered up laser. IR laser (850 nm). Power – single CR123 (included). Size: 90160×37 mm. New generation threadless plug. Redesigned battery compartment. ZenitCo Perst-4 gen.2 dual green visible/IR tactical laser designator Visible green laser. IR laser (850 nm). Power – single CR123 (included). Size: 90160×37 mm. New generation threadless plug. Redesigned battery compartment. ZenitCo Perst-4 gen.2 dual red visible/IR tactical laser designator Visible red laser (635 nm). IR laser (850 nm). Power – single CR123 (included). Size: 90160×37 mm. New generation threadless plug. Redesigned battery compartment. Wonder what "+ powered up laser" means exactly.... Have them pasted in above in descending cost, with the "+ powered up" visible green, (regular power???) visible green, and then the (regular power???) red laser. Not sure why a more powerful visible laser would be wanted, as I'd just be using that to zero the IR a la the CQBL on my 300BO AR. The PERST-3 with red visible laser seems interesting to me for a modernized AKS-74U I run suppressed full time. Would prefer a separate laser and illuminator, but the ergonomics of the AK, especially with the short AKS-74U handguards, makes an all in one package appealing. Need to get you hooked up with someone who has some western, civilian-limited power lasers to do a head to head comparison. Thanks again for the review. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 1:19:05 PM EDT
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Thank you for the review! Any word on warranty?
I really want to see if these are indeed more powerful than our civilian western lasers. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 2:32:13 PM EDT
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They seem to be full powered units. Would these have issues clearing customs?
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Posted: 12/25/2018 2:37:37 PM EDT
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They seem to be full powered units. Would these have issues clearing customs? |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 4:32:29 PM EDT
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They seem to be full powered units. Would these have issues clearing customs? I think you're good. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 4:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ZenitCo Perst-4 gen.2 dual red visible/IR tactical laser designator Visible red laser (635 nm). IR laser (850 nm). Power – single CR123 (included). Size: 90160×37 mm. New generation threadless plug. Redesigned battery compartment. Wonder what "+ powered up laser" means exactly.... Have them pasted in above in descending cost, with the "+ powered up" visible green, (regular power???) visible green, and then the (regular power???) red laser. Not sure why a more powerful visible laser would be wanted, as I'd just be using that to zero the IR a la the CQBL on my 300BO AR. The PERST-3 with red visible laser seems interesting to me for a modernized AKS-74U I run suppressed full time. Would prefer a separate laser and illuminator, but the ergonomics of the AK, especially with the short AKS-74U handguards, makes an all in one package appealing. Need to get you hooked up with someone who has some western, civilian-limited power lasers to do a head to head comparison. Thanks again for the review. I'll try to get some pics and video when I can.No customs issues. Seems legit. |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 10:39:56 PM EDT
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Any idea why the Perst-3 is so much more expensive?
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Posted: 12/25/2018 11:01:37 PM EDT
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That perst 4.. And perst 3 Tempting.. I just was gonna get the Steiner dbal d2..for my stuff in the states. Wondering if I can order it in Hungary. For Hungary I got a surplus peq2 unit that was deactivated by jbwelding the laser holes. I just drilled it out and cleaned it up. Of course..I know I can't bring it back to the US. Does anyone have one please. I would really prefer the ATPIAL-C because of ergonomics and because I've heard a few guys talk about problems with DBALs not lasting long term, but man the illum on them seems pretty lame. I'm looking at this: https://ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-perst-3-dual-visible-ir-tactical-green-laser-designator-with-ir-illuminator/ |
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Posted: 12/25/2018 11:37:52 PM EDT
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Damn that Perst-1 looks like a steal if you just want a stand alone powerful IR laser. How big is the dot on these? Wouldnt be so good if the dot is 3 yards across at 100 yards....
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Posted: 12/25/2018 11:55:54 PM EDT
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Any idea why the Perst-3 is so much more expensive? |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 1:14:35 AM EDT
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Any idea why the Perst-3 is so much more expensive? |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 1:19:52 AM EDT
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Because its a full power unit. (Class 3 equivalent, in the States) Illuminator and Aiming lasers. The Perst-1 and Perst-4 don’t have an illuminator. |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 1:33:08 AM EDT
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I was looking at the DBAL A3 or the D2, as well. I'm moving to where there are trees, so I'm looking for a better illuminator solution than the VITAL I'm currently using offers. The D2 is only about an ounce more than the Perst. I would really prefer the ATPIAL-C because of ergonomics and because I've heard a few guys talk about problems with DBALs not lasting long term, but man the illum on them seems pretty lame. I'm looking at this: https://ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-perst-3-dual-visible-ir-tactical-green-laser-designator-with-ir-illuminator/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That perst 4.. And perst 3 Tempting.. I just was gonna get the Steiner dbal d2..for my stuff in the states. Wondering if I can order it in Hungary. For Hungary I got a surplus peq2 unit that was deactivated by jbwelding the laser holes. I just drilled it out and cleaned it up. Of course..I know I can't bring it back to the US. Does anyone have one please. I would really prefer the ATPIAL-C because of ergonomics and because I've heard a few guys talk about problems with DBALs not lasting long term, but man the illum on them seems pretty lame. I'm looking at this: https://ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-perst-3-dual-visible-ir-tactical-green-laser-designator-with-ir-illuminator/ |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 1:33:33 AM EDT
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Basically a Russian Class 3 PEQ-15. Illuminator and Aiming lasers. The Perst-1 and Perst-4 don’t have an illuminator. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because its a full power unit. (Class 3 equivalent, in the States) Illuminator and Aiming lasers. The Perst-1 and Perst-4 don’t have an illuminator.
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Posted: 12/26/2018 10:24:23 AM EDT
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I have two dbal A3 and was about to pull the trigger on a d2 but fuck that perst 3 is tempting.
Anyone have hands on with one yet? My main reason for wanting a d2 was better illumination as the A3's aren't that great. |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 10:38:06 AM EDT
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Because its a full power unit. (Class 3 equivalent, in the States) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/26/2018 11:07:56 AM EDT
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If anyone is looking to get the "Death Star" type beam/reach under nods, a common class 3R red or green laser will have almost the same affect.
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Posted: 12/26/2018 12:04:50 PM EDT
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So, guys, I emailed Ivan Tactical and they it back really quick. Here’s what they said:
Hi. We provide full lifetime warranty against craftsmanship or materials defects. If something happens, you can just send it to us and we’ll take care of it. ?????????? ?? myMail ??? iOS |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 1:09:40 PM EDT
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Seriously, thank you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any idea why the Perst-3 is so much more expensive? You should get one, class 1 blows.
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Posted: 12/26/2018 1:19:44 PM EDT
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No prob. The Illuminator drives the price up as well. You should get one, class 1 blows. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/26/2018 1:23:00 PM EDT
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I want to, I'm just worried about the lack of warranty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any idea why the Perst-3 is so much more expensive? You should get one, class 1 blows. But- you'd have to put your trust in a commie. So there's that.
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Posted: 12/26/2018 3:15:05 PM EDT
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Looks like its good to go. Look at Nameless_Hobo's post 2 or 3 posts up. Looks like Ivan Tactical will take care of you if it goes down. But- you'd have to put your trust in a commie. So there's that. |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 3:34:34 PM EDT
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Look at the Flir fiasco. Made in the US isnt a sure sign of good warranty and customer service. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like its good to go. Look at Nameless_Hobo's post 2 or 3 posts up. Looks like Ivan Tactical will take care of you if it goes down. But- you'd have to put your trust in a commie. So there's that. |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 4:27:04 PM EDT
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Back story or link? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like its good to go. Look at Nameless_Hobo's post 2 or 3 posts up. Looks like Ivan Tactical will take care of you if it goes down. But- you'd have to put your trust in a commie. So there's that. |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 4:47:09 PM EDT
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Theyre super hard to get ahold of at times and oftentimes your equipment is returned in the same state in which it was sent in.
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Posted: 12/26/2018 5:29:05 PM EDT
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There super hard to get ahold of and oftentimes your equipment is returned in the same state in which it was sent in. |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 5:29:42 PM EDT
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There super hard to get ahold of and oftentimes your equipment is returned in the same state in which it was sent in.
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Posted: 12/26/2018 5:57:03 PM EDT
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FLiR is bae bro. Source: me, I'm a flir shill Click To View Spoiler |
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