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Posted: 9/5/2018 11:25:22 PM EDT
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I think 200 might be a bit optimistic for some conditions, but there are other units you might want to consider before a full power PEQ
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Posted: 9/5/2018 11:31:26 PM EDT
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How accurate can you really be with a laser at two hundred plus given the beam spread.
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Posted: 9/5/2018 11:34:25 PM EDT
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How accurate can you really be with a laser at two hundred plus given the beam spread. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 12:52:38 AM EDT
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The conditions alone to be able to positively identify something that you'd be willing to shoot at 200 yards away under NV would need to be really good, let alone being able to be consistent with a laser at that distance. But in answer to you question, most civilian power lasers aren't going to be very useful at 200 yards in my experience. Realistically shooting at 200 yards with a laser would definitely require a good illuminator.
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Posted: 9/6/2018 1:51:24 AM EDT
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I have the atpial c and it sucks ass. At 50 yards my surefire IR does a better job of giving me a visual. I think it’s great for cqb. I also have a MAWL which is apples and oranges but if you have the extra money, I’d get a MAWL.
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Posted: 9/6/2018 2:22:41 AM EDT
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The higher power is useful for different applications such as punching through lighted areas to illuminate or target threats hiding in dark spaces. The APTIAL-C falls flat on it's face outdoors in an urban setting, but does ok in a very dark environment or indoors. Although having the brightest and most powerful is great trying to sneak up on your OpFor may not be to your advantage vs a low power LAM.
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Posted: 9/6/2018 6:49:09 AM EDT
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Civilian class-1 laser illumination is crap. No way you can illuminate at 200 yards with the ATPIAL-C.
The aiming laser will be fine at that range though. TNVC lists the aiming laser as 0.5 milliradians, which is roughly 1.7 MOA. https://tnvc.com/shop/l3-insight-atpial-c-class1-ir-laser/ |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 9:30:35 AM EDT
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Unless you are using full power units, dont expect over 50 yards of illuminator performance. Sometimes... you can get 60-75 yards in the right conditions and that is barely visible in tbe right conditions. 200 yards requires an LED illuminator, full power laser illuminator, or a MAWL C1
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Posted: 9/6/2018 10:44:24 AM EDT
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I will add that if you go the class 3 route and get an actual PEQ-15 and it breaks you'll essentially have a paperweight and technically youre not supposed to have it as a civilian (as dumb as that rule is)
Just know that. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 10:54:42 AM EDT
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I will add that if you go the class 3 route and get an actual PEQ-15 and it breaks you'll essentially have a paperweight and technically youre not supposed to have it as a civilian (as dumb as that rule is) Just know that. What is the warranty with the ATPIAL-C? I have one and have been curious what the process would be if it broke. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 11:14:45 AM EDT
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1 year from L3 which is kinda the industry Laser standard.
due to its construction once out of warranty its almost impossible to fix it if it breaks internally |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 2:15:31 PM EDT
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1 year from L3 which is kinda the industry Laser standard. due to its construction once out of warranty its almost impossible to fix it if it breaks internally |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 3:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What changes after 1 year that makes it almost impossible to fix? |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 4:12:40 PM EDT
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You want a MAWL or dbal d2. Both of their illuminator beat the full power peq 15
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Posted: 9/6/2018 9:25:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they will replace the unit 99% of the time, there is no way to actually fix it. Its filled with Epoxy resin. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 10:40:43 PM EDT
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I have the atpial c and it sucks ass. At 50 yards my surefire IR does a better job of giving me a visual. I think it’s great for cqb. I also have a MAWL which is apples and oranges but if you have the extra money, I’d get a MAWL. 200 is pushing it for the M600V though, as well. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 6:52:59 AM EDT
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You want a MAWL or dbal d2. Both of their illuminator beat the full power peq 15 Quote HistoryQuoted:
You want a MAWL or dbal d2. Both of their illuminator beat the full power peq 15 Quoted: Is the warranty pretty strict? Ie, breaks two years in, do you see them still take care of people? If not, well then, you’re still stuck with a paperweight. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 7:38:16 AM EDT
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How accurate can you really be with a laser at two hundred plus given the beam spread. The castrated Peq15 lookalike isnt worth a shit. The MAWL will do it, as will issued units in my experience, the PEQ15 and the PEQ15A2. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 7:39:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What changes after 1 year that makes it almost impossible to fix? |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 7:40:24 AM EDT
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You want a MAWL or dbal d2. Both of their illuminator beat the full power peq 15 |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 8:15:49 AM EDT
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Despite what you may have read on the internet, that is incorrect. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 8:17:47 AM EDT
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Oh and whoever said atpials are epoxy filled is not entirely correct. They are only sealed around the edges and on top of the screw heads. You can get into one without too much difficulty, but I haven't found a way to make it look factory when sealing it back up. I wish I knew how L3 did it lol.
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:25:24 AM EDT
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Despite what you may have read on the internet, that is incorrect. Now their ir lasers? Yeah, they beat my D2’s ir laser but illuminator? No. No way. Even they admit it. I mean, unless they have junk or fake peq 15’s(they don’t) or I somehow have a full power D2, which I greatly doubt..... Trust me, I saw this two weekends ago. In fact every time we go out I bring it up to bust on them. Rest assured the D2 illuminator is brighter. Not sure why that’s a shock. The civi mawl beats the peq and the D2’s illuminator hangs with the MAWL. Again, not being a jerk, I’ve got experience with all of these units. Quite frankly, unless you’re a cloner, I have no idea why anyone would get a peq over a MAWL or D2. In fact the MAWL should be what our guys use instead of the peq. Like I’ve always maintained, for civi use factoring price, nothing beats the d2. For out and out performance, the MAWL stomps everything. *i have no experience with the newest a4 v2. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 1:05:24 PM EDT
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You want a MAWL or dbal d2. Both of their illuminator beat the full power peq 15 |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 6:29:42 PM EDT
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You can see the C laser at several hundred yards fine. Where you will notice the difference is the illuminator. If that's worth it and you have access to a non-stolen PEQ-15 have at it (not sure if that's even possible)
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Posted: 9/7/2018 8:17:20 PM EDT
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How accurate can you really be with a laser at two hundred plus given the beam spread. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 8:29:05 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info guys, Peq 15 it is
This will be for clone builds so the MAWL/Dbal is a no go |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 8:40:19 PM EDT
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For the guys getting PEQS, where are you finding them? eBay would likely yield a knock on the door from the fact most are probably stolen.
Unless the factory unit warranty’s are honored beyond 1 year, for anyone it’s probably worth the gamble. IMO, the warranty for a 1,000+ item is ridiculously low. I would think 3 would be standard but I suppose not. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 9:25:28 PM EDT
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For the guys getting PEQS, where are you finding them? eBay would likely yield a knock on the door from the fact most are probably stolen. Unless the factory unit warranty’s are honored beyond 1 year, for anyone it’s probably worth the gamble. IMO, the warranty for a 1,000+ item is ridiculously low. I would think 3 would be standard but I suppose not. |
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Posted: 9/11/2018 9:36:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they will replace the unit 99% of the time, there is no way to actually fix it. Its filled with Epoxy resin. |
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