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Posted: 8/11/2019 2:37:06 PM EDT
[#1]
I’m really intrigued by this thing. Would it be feasible to use this as a clip on in front of a LPVO for night time/low light hunting?
Are there any clip on mounts available for it? |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 2:41:08 PM EDT
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Highly suggest some of the new guys asking questions to go back and read the thread from the beginning. There is a lot to learn.
About clipping on - the eye relief is pretty poor with this. I would expect the recoil to slam the Aurora into your face...but you can try. I know SiOnyx sells a kit that comes with a picatinny rail mount but I'm unsure if they sell it as a standalone unit. You could look into other creative ways to mount it if not. |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 4:22:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mickdonaldson]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atxtj:
I’m really intrigued by this thing. Would it be feasible to use this as a clip on in front of a LPVO for night time/low light hunting? Are there any clip on mounts available for it? ACOG Then Aurora (In Front) fortydelta also said he tested a bunch of stuff and posted, but I can never find the post, LOL - read every page and look for his posts. Found it - it must work as an Objective Clip-On(ish) - bottom of this page: fortydelta's Post |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 7:29:46 PM EDT
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I received my Sionyx Sport a few days ago. With IR, it is pretty decent. It will work for what I wanted which was a way to record footage during night hunting especially B Roll type stuff including interviews which don't work well with thermal tech. However, without IR, I was a little disappointed in the low light ability of the Sionyx. You can see better than you can with just your eyesight, but not high end NV. For the price, it will work for the reason I got it.
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Posted: 8/12/2019 5:12:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 223Rem]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: You need a helmet with a Shroud- cheapest is an Airsoft Bump I would imagine. Then you need a Mount - again, they *do* make Airsoft replica's of Wilcox G24's etc... BUT - do you want to trust your device to the metal quality of Airsoft items? That's up to you - I guess with a Tether there is less risk. An affordable *real* mount is the RHINO II off of Ebay. Then you need an Arm to go between the camera and the mount - I haven't checked prices, but the Lion's Gear Hyperion *may* be the cheapest - but DHL from Romania(?) adds about $25. Most of us here are using an arm called the CHAIM, I would call it Mil-Spec quality - it is really friggen nice. You can PM me if you want his email - discuss pricing with him. If you decide to go Duals at any point, the Lion's Gear MACHOS is nice. Finally, depending on what arm you go with, you need a Shoe to screw into the camera - the real ones are pretty cheap, so I'd just go with the M-24 shoe or the PVS-18 shoe from TNVC or Own The Night, depending on your arm. Helmet with shroud Rhino II (Wilcox G24) Arm- CHAIM Shoe- M24 |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 6:22:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 223Rem: Perfect! Thank you. Helmet with shroud Rhino II (Wilcox G24) Arm- CHAIM Shoe- M24 or PVS18 |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 8:44:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: I must have messed something up when I tested the Aurora in front of a 1-4x scope - found this guy who put one in front of an ACOG and it seems to work. ACOG Then Aurora (In Front) fortydelta also said he tested a bunch of stuff and posted, but I can never find the post, LOL - read every page and look for his posts. Found it - it must work as an Objective Clip-On(ish) - bottom of this page: fortydelta's Post If the camera tilts or imperfectly centered in any way, the screen displays a misaligned image and you'e aiming at a screen image that the rifle is NOT pointed at. I would be amazed if simply clipping the Aurora in front of a zeroe optic still had a POI within 30MOA of the original zero. I plan to mount mine behind the EOTech. There's enough room between the EOTech and rear folding BUIS to mount the camera on a custom mount without moving stuff around. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 8:47:38 AM EDT
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For all you who "preordered" the $359 white Scout version, how long between the order and receiving it? I wonder why they call it a preorder? Sounds more like you're ordering it factory direct and they're building-to-order.
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Posted: 8/12/2019 6:48:12 PM EDT
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Anyone have a 3d model of the Aurora? I ordered one but still waiting. I have half way designed dual and single mounts in Autocad Inventor.
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Posted: 8/12/2019 8:08:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pneumagger:
For all you who "preordered" the $359 white Scout version, how long between the order and receiving it? I wonder why they call it a preorder? Sounds more like you're ordering it factory direct and they're building-to-order. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 8:36:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bigspice]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Anyone have a 3d model of the Aurora? I ordered one but still waiting. I have half way designed dual and single mounts in Autocad Inventor. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/12/2019 10:08:30 PM EDT
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I'm taking the chance on the Sport model. For the price it should be fun to walk around and do critter patrol. And better than nothing for more serious work I suppose.
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Posted: 8/12/2019 11:23:27 PM EDT
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Can someone point me to the Chaim? I assume that's good to go with a Rhino ii or the TATM? They look a little different.
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USA
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Posted: 8/13/2019 8:10:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Dave:
Can someone point me to the Chaim? I assume that's good to go with a Rhino ii or the TATM? They look a little different. |
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Posted: 8/13/2019 8:18:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: PM me for his contact info (I got it from Joe, but he may be tired of PMs, LOL) TATM comes as a Dovetail Mount and has those ratcheted rails - will not work with CHAIM, which is Bayonet/Horn, and I don't think they make a conversion adapter for it, like they do for RHINO II. Those if you that have recently reached out to Chaim - has he been responsive? I emailed him asking if he was making a dual bridge and never heard back. I assume he's taking care of y'all |
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Posted: 8/13/2019 8:35:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Dave:
And better than nothing for more serious work I suppose. I was watching Bill Blowers in a video about NODs, he had to go up into an attic and search for a BG with his Dual setup - he had to turn on IR. But I'm bias, LOL - but for $360 it's worth testing, and I'm sure they have a return policy. |
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Posted: 8/13/2019 11:44:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeMal:
Thank you Those if you that have recently reached out to Chaim - has he been responsive? I emailed him asking if he was making a dual bridge and never heard back. I assume he's taking care of y'all |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 7:35:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rapidfire_85:
I ordered one last week, he shipped quicker than I ever expected. Maybe he is on vacation? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rapidfire_85:
Originally Posted By JoeMal:
Thank you Those if you that have recently reached out to Chaim - has he been responsive? I emailed him asking if he was making a dual bridge and never heard back. I assume he's taking care of y'all |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 9:00:09 AM EDT
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Will the standard J-Arm mount instead of the CHAIM?
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Posted: 8/14/2019 9:10:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 223Rem:
Will the standard J-Arm mount instead of the CHAIM? |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 9:29:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson:
Camera would be tilted. You'd have a rectangle at 45 degrees. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson:
Originally Posted By 223Rem:
Will the standard J-Arm mount instead of the CHAIM? |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 9:32:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 223Rem:
I need to hire you as my consultant. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 223Rem:
Originally Posted By mickdonaldson:
Originally Posted By 223Rem:
Will the standard J-Arm mount instead of the CHAIM? 
But yes he's correct |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 9:35:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 223Rem: I need to hire you as my consultant. 
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Posted: 8/14/2019 9:36:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeMal:
$87/hr, half hour minimums. Pm for more info
But yes he's correct |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 11:05:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeMal:
Thank you Those if you that have recently reached out to Chaim - has he been responsive? I emailed him asking if he was making a dual bridge and never heard back. I assume he's taking care of y'all Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeMal:
Originally Posted By mickdonaldson: PM me for his contact info (I got it from Joe, but he may be tired of PMs, LOL) TATM comes as a Dovetail Mount and has those ratcheted rails - will not work with CHAIM, which is Bayonet/Horn, and I don't think they make a conversion adapter for it, like they do for RHINO II. Those if you that have recently reached out to Chaim - has he been responsive? I emailed him asking if he was making a dual bridge and never heard back. I assume he's taking care of y'all Wilcox bayonet adapter, P/N 14004G01-B. The adapter is inserted into the dovetail mount and allows the mounting of AN/PVS-7 and AN/PVS-14 J-Arms into Wilcox and Norotos mounts. Having said that, trying to find a Wilcox M24 shoe in stock has not been easy. I also have the FarrowTech adapter on the way, so I can compare them. I'm assuming the FarrowTech/J-arm setup will have tilt v. Chaim being level, but it gives me options to play with in the future. And since the FarrowTech mount is plastic, I can file/shape "anti-tilt" into the design, so we'll see. Ordered the Sport on 7/17, received 8/13, for those wondering. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 11:30:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P_squared:
*snip* Ordered the Sport on 7/17, received 8/13, for those wondering. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 11:58:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: R3L04D]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P_squared: Having said that, trying to find a Wilcox M24 shoe in stock has not been easy. @p_squared Don't know if they are in stock there, but a lot of us ordered from them. Easy to work with |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 12:10:42 PM EDT
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@JoeMal - Had to order with them over the phone. For some reason, the site wouldn't let me place the order.
Few other places are showing out of stock/manufacturer discontinued, so with that in mind, folks may want to get them while they can if that's true. JMO & YMMV. Having said that, it doesn't seem to me that it'd take much to 3D print an adapter for these going forward, or convert the PVS-18 shoe. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 12:25:52 PM EDT
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For those looking for a shoe, if you have not already tried 'googling' for just the part number (61310G01) you'll find some places that still have a few in stock that may or may not be cheaper than the links posted already.
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Posted: 8/14/2019 12:31:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By habu36: I ordered on the 20th, no shipping notification yet. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 1:06:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pneumagger:
That seems like it would be HORRIBLE for a clip-on type system. Its a camera. Whatever the lens is pointed at the sensor will see, encodes, then it's decoded and displayed on an OLED. Problem is that the screen your scope is aiming at is completely optic/electonically decoupled from what the camera is aimed at. It's not like merely putting a set of optics in front front of another set of optics. And to top it all off the camera is mounted using a typical screw-post camera mount adapter... not repeatable/precise at all. If the camera tilts or imperfectly centered in any way, the screen displays a misaligned image and you'e aiming at a screen image that the rifle is NOT pointed at. I would be amazed if simply clipping the Aurora in front of a zeroe optic still had a POI within 30MOA of the original zero. I plan to mount mine behind the EOTech. There's enough room between the EOTech and rear folding BUIS to mount the camera on a custom mount without moving stuff around. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pneumagger:
Originally Posted By mickdonaldson: I must have messed something up when I tested the Aurora in front of a 1-4x scope - found this guy who put one in front of an ACOG and it seems to work. ACOG Then Aurora (In Front) fortydelta also said he tested a bunch of stuff and posted, but I can never find the post, LOL - read every page and look for his posts. Found it - it must work as an Objective Clip-On(ish) - bottom of this page: fortydelta's Post If the camera tilts or imperfectly centered in any way, the screen displays a misaligned image and you'e aiming at a screen image that the rifle is NOT pointed at. I would be amazed if simply clipping the Aurora in front of a zeroe optic still had a POI within 30MOA of the original zero. I plan to mount mine behind the EOTech. There's enough room between the EOTech and rear folding BUIS to mount the camera on a custom mount without moving stuff around. You are correct. See my pics on page 8. Having the Aurora in front of a magnified optic is not clear at all. You can fiddle with the focus clicker thing that is next to the eyepiece and that helps, but ultimately you are magnifying pixels. The eye relief is too poor to be mounted behind a magnified optic. More testing could yield a workable solution. However I found that the supplied rail mount basically sucks. It is not repeatable nor solid enough. The few times I had it attached to a rifle I also had the wrist strap strung through my sling mount just in case. If the camera is in front of an optic, the optic will only see what the camera sees. Because of the crap mount, the camera is not lined up with the optic exactly and your POI is toast. I and another member, can't remember his name but it's back in the thread somewhere, messaged Sionyx about the mount deficiencies. I never got a response. Looking on amazon and ebay I find similar mounts and can be certain it's crap chineseum. The Aurora is best suited as a handheld or helmet mounted unit. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 2:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fortydelta: @Pneumagger You are correct. See my pics on page 8. Having the Aurora in front of a magnified optic is not clear at all. You can fiddle with the focus clicker thing that is next to the eyepiece and that helps, but ultimately you are magnifying pixels. The eye relief is too poor to be mounted behind a magnified optic. More testing could yield a workable solution. However I found that the supplied rail mount basically sucks. It is not repeatable nor solid enough. The few times I had it attached to a rifle I also had the wrist strap strung through my sling mount just in case. If the camera is in front of an optic, the optic will only see what the camera sees. Because of the crap mount, the camera is not lined up with the optic exactly and your POI is toast. I and another member, can't remember his name but it's back in the thread somewhere, messaged Sionyx about the mount deficiencies. I never got a response. Looking on amazon and ebay I find similar mounts and can be certain it's crap chineseum. The Aurora is best suited as a handheld or helmet mounted unit. Eye relief won’t be great, but it’s a 5.56mm rifle so it shouldn’t hurt to get right up on it if needed. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 3:54:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pneumagger:
Im going to try my hand at putting it behind an EOTech the 1X look-through window and parallax free nature of the EOtech should work well with the aurora. Eye relief won’t be great, but it’s a 5.56mm rifle so it shouldn’t hurt to get right up on it if needed. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 4:44:16 PM EDT
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what exactly is the eye relief on this, and is it okay for old guy eyes?
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Posted: 8/14/2019 8:06:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gaspain]
[#35]
snip
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Posted: 8/14/2019 8:32:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Here's why I need eye relief numbers.... Any thoughts on this duals model? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/25567/duals_png-1054581.JPG Your model looks awesome...my suggestion would be to make it adjustable so it can slide front/back for perfect fit |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 9:55:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Here's why I need eye relief numbers.... Any thoughts on this duals model? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/25567/duals_png-1054581.JPG |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 10:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Here's why I need eye relief numbers.... Any thoughts on this duals model? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/25567/duals_png-1054581.JPG |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2019 11:51:58 PM EDT
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I'm intrigued by this thing, especially the new Sport model.
I live in an Urban / Suburban area thats dominated by deep pockets of shadow, interspersed with street lights every 50-100yds. Similar to this: 
How well will the Aurora work for seeing into those dark areas? Is it able to see past street lights? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:22:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Here's why I need eye relief numbers.... Any thoughts on this duals model? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/25567/duals_png-1054581.JPG |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 8:41:06 AM EDT
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Mine shipped. Ordered on 7/19, shipped (notification, haven't tracked yet) 8/14.
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Posted: 8/15/2019 8:55:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
what exactly is the eye relief on this, and is it okay for old guy eyes? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 9:01:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mickdonaldson]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
I'm intrigued by this thing, especially the new Sport model. I live in an Urban / Suburban area thats dominated by deep pockets of shadow, interspersed with street lights every 50-100yds. How well will the Aurora work for seeing into those dark areas? Is it able to see past street lights? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 9:11:27 AM EDT
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Bad news, no more Chaim mounts. He didn't actually make them, just resold them I guess? Anyway he's out and won't be getting more. I'm trying to get in touch with the original manufacturer, we'll see how it goes.
Those of you that 3D print... The market is yours |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 9:14:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
I'm intrigued by this thing, especially the new Sport model. I live in an Urban / Suburban area thats dominated by deep pockets of shadow, interspersed with street lights every 50-100yds. Similar to this: https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/empty-street-suburb-during-night-600w-1283702578.jpg How well will the Aurora work for seeing into those dark areas? Is it able to see past street lights? Side note, I now know every house with night security cameras on my block and roughly where they are pointed
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Posted: 8/15/2019 9:19:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mickdonaldson]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeMal:
Bad news, no more Chaim mounts. He didn't actually make them, just resold them I guess? Anyway he's out and won't be getting more. I'm trying to get in touch with the original manufacturer, we'll see how it goes. Those of you that 3D print... The market is yours Since he is done - the MACHOS is less than about $75 more - yeah, it's $75 - but you have the option of going Duals. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 10:26:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeMal:
Bad news, no more Chaim mounts. He didn't actually make them, just resold them I guess? Anyway he's out and won't be getting more. I'm trying to get in touch with the original manufacturer, we'll see how it goes. Those of you that 3D print... The market is yours |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 10:55:11 AM EDT
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Kind of a bummer for us 'early adopters' the ~$30 shipping fee is now free!
If you're on the fence there's really no reason not to jump now (unless you want to not buy on the principal that those of us who preordered early got shafted with shipping costs  )
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
I'm intrigued by this thing, especially the new Sport model. I live in an Urban / Suburban area thats dominated by deep pockets of shadow, interspersed with street lights every 50-100yds. Similar to this: https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/empty-street-suburb-during-night-600w-1283702578.jpg How well will the Aurora work for seeing into those dark areas? Is it able to see past street lights? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 2:32:27 PM EDT
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You'd be crazy not the order the MACHO. Already comes with the proper dovetail - can be setup as dual, adjustable PID, can be upgraded to run a FLIR/PVS14, etc
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