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Posted: 5/12/2018 4:51:18 PM EDT
I'm looking for a IR Light/laser for my pistol. Main functions will be night shooting, maybe some hunting and maybe CW. Below is my set up right now. I plan on using the RDS. Should I get just a light or a light and laser. I do have a Lasermax IR which I could use, but then I don't have any illumination. But if I use illumination, would I have splashback or anything from the can? Ugh.... What should I be looking for? Then again I could always shoot unsuppressed.
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Posted: 5/12/2018 4:54:31 PM EDT
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Show off
Nice set up very jealous |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 5:22:47 PM EDT
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Surefire x400v irc
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Posted: 5/12/2018 6:58:18 PM EDT
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^^^2nd^^^ just be sure to get the B model it has the 350 lumen white light as well as IR light/laser
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Posted: 5/12/2018 7:07:49 PM EDT
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^^^2nd^^^ just be sure to get the B model it has the 350 lumen white light as well as IR light/laser |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 7:21:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2018 7:28:39 PM EDT
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Show off Nice set up very jealous I don't have that many rounds shot on this setup, but I'm digging it. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 7:31:47 PM EDT
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Shit. Those aren't cheap..... What would your second choice be?
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Posted: 5/12/2018 8:05:31 PM EDT
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Shit. Those aren't cheap..... What would your second choice be? |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 10:43:23 PM EDT
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Steiner makes several versions for pistols
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Posted: 5/12/2018 10:45:09 PM EDT
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LASTAC2 0.1 mW IR precise IR targeting laser
 Crimson Trace IR  LASTAC2 0.1mW IR compared to DBAL I2 0.7mW @ 175 yards, no bloom   
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Posted: 5/13/2018 1:00:31 AM EDT
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LASTAC2 0.1 mW IR precise IR targeting laser http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/LASTAC%202%20IR%20Pistol%20Laser/Sig%20P-226%20357.JPG Crimson Trace IR http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/LASTAC%202%20IR%20Pistol%20Laser/10%2012%202016%20017.JPG LASTAC2 0.1mW IR compared to DBAL I2 0.7mW @ 175 yards, no bloom http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/LASTAC%202%20IR%20Pistol%20Laser/LASTAC2%20&%20DBAL%20I2%20175%20yards.jpg http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/MonoCam/Neutral%20Filter%2030%20yards/LASTAC%20&%20DBAL%20NO%20Filter%2030%20Yards.jpg http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/MonoCam/Neutral%20Filter%2030%20yards/LASTAC%20&%20DBAL%20D2%20175%20Yards%20NO%20Filter.jpg Hard pass until they fix the mounting system. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 7:10:06 AM EDT
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For a pistol at 25 yards it works great.
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Posted: 5/13/2018 7:22:41 AM EDT
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Really? The LAS-TAC has been around for a zillion years. If they ain't fixed yet, they ain't gonna fix 'em.
EDIT: I was going to say, look at some reviews of the Steiner DBAL-PL. Seems like good capabilities, but the human interfaces are iffy. I don't have one. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:14:24 AM EDT
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I have been using them on my Ruger 10-22s with great success too out 75 yards at night.
 
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Posted: 5/14/2018 11:59:45 AM EDT
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Very happy with my CMR-201 IR lasers. Have 4 of them I think. Shine out to 250 yards easily. I only use them for 50 yards and closer though. Only problem with these is they're discontinued so if you get one and it breaks, you're SOL.
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Posted: 5/15/2018 11:26:37 PM EDT
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To be perfectly honest, if you're already using the RDS, I would consider just going with a light, maybe the X300V if you want IR illum capacity.
Not sure what ranges/what specific type of shooting you're wanting to do with this setup, but while the X400-series surely is some nice kit, it's both larger and bulkier than the X300-series, more complex with more switchology, and your vertical offset between the bore and the laser is pretty large with the laser mounted under the light. Aiming passively through the RDS already on the pistol, you can set it up for day/night consistency, you can use the same presentation, and the same activation--no "switchology" to learn, and no new offsets between the RDS and the laser. You'll also find holsters easier to find (at least while unsuppressed, if you're concerned about such a thing). The X400-series can be a very useful addition to make an iron-sighted pistol an effective night-fighting tool, but with an RDS, IMHO, you're just adding cost and complexity to your overall setup--passive aiming with an RDS on a pistol is also much simpler than doing so with a long-gun, as you have much less to worry about in terms of cheek-welds an equipment "traffic jams," you simply have to train and practice your presentation, which you have to do to adjust to a pistol mounted RDS anyways. With your NVD over your dominant eye, it should be the exact same presentation during the day assuming your NVD is properly aligned--the red dot should just "appear" in your FOV. ~Augee |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 11:55:13 AM EDT
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Surefire x400v irc The ability to convert to 350 lm white light makes it very versatile. And I think it will work OK mounted to a long gun. My only issue so far is finding a holster. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 12:50:57 PM EDT
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My only issue so far is finding a holster. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 12:57:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m honestly considering starting to make holsters for this very reason. I can’t find anyone that makes a holster with this light that fits my needs. Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m honestly considering starting to make holsters for this very reason. I can’t find anyone that makes a holster with this light that fits my needs. Quoted:
I just got one and works great so far. Zeroing was much easier than I though. Seems to return to zero when removed/remounted by 2-3" on my Glock. The ability to convert to 350 lm white light makes it very versatile. And I think it will work OK mounted to a long gun. My only issue so far is finding a holster. |
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Posted: 5/17/2018 6:03:38 PM EDT
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I decided to buy a X300V from lapg. They had 20% off. Hopefully it comes in soon. I'll see how good I am with just illumination.
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Posted: 5/17/2018 6:25:49 PM EDT
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Why did you select a Sig P226?
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Posted: 5/17/2018 6:37:24 PM EDT
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I think if you have a rds then 300v is way to go and with little practice you can get pretty quick.
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Posted: 5/17/2018 8:40:04 PM EDT
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I just got one and works great so far. Zeroing was much easier than I though. Seems to return to zero when removed/remounted by 2-3" on my Glock. The ability to convert to 350 lm white light makes it very versatile. And I think it will work OK mounted to a long gun. My only issue so far is finding a holster. I'm wearing a Safariland duty holster for a 17/19+X400v this exact second and I got a couple kydex holsters from various places at home. They're out there.... they certainly weren't when I first got the light though |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 5:51:40 AM EDT
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Are those night sights on your Glock? How do you like using an RDS with night sights cowitnessing with NODs?
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Posted: 5/18/2018 10:31:39 AM EDT
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They are not night sights, just black front and rear suppressor sights. I never saw the need to have night sights with an rds as the primary aiming point.
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Posted: 5/18/2018 11:48:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/18/2018 12:15:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt's your gun, but that sure looks like a Trijicon RMR from here, not a T-1 Micro.
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Posted: 5/18/2018 1:10:18 PM EDT
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I think you're right and I think I was borrowing that pistol from my buddy John for the video, my rig is a T-1 in a RCS Balor mount.
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Posted: 5/19/2018 1:53:37 AM EDT
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Listen to Augee.
Huge benefit to that is having a gun that fits most standard holsters. Very first time shooting a pistol under nods I was able to rock B/C steel at 75yds with a G19 that had an RMR07 and an X300V. It’s a great setup. I find that out to 25yds I don’t need the illum. Beyond that I totally do to see through the glass of the optic. Ek |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 1:58:48 AM EDT
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I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable.
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Posted: 5/19/2018 6:33:47 AM EDT
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I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable. Planning on picking up a Mark 23 soon myself. |
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Posted: 5/19/2018 11:41:49 PM EDT
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How did you mount it? Planning on picking up a Mark 23 soon myself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable. Planning on picking up a Mark 23 soon myself. There's also the model of the PEQ-14 made specifically for the Mark 23 with the screw mount built-in. I'd love to have that as the laser is closer to the bore and you don't need an adapter... but people are asking like $2500-5000 for the old commercial models with only visible light and laser. I haven't even seen an IR model for sale in the last two years but I imagine it'd be even higher. Meanwhile new old stock IR-capable picatinny PEQ-14s are going around $1000. Still expensive, but reasonable considering what they are and only a tad more than a DBAL-PL. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 12:11:34 AM EDT
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Shit. Those aren't cheap..... What would your second choice be? Data sheet  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 9:08:06 AM EDT
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Good discussion, and I wanted
to say, Great Photo! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Love the X400V-B-IRC. Get you some if you can swing the cash. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4178/34424745360_b26bd0b7a0_b.jpgDSC_0162 by J M, on Flickr |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 11:09:04 AM EDT
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Front sight is a HiViz encapsulated fiber optic sight
Rear is a standard steel glock Both are standard height which I usually sight over the tops of anyway. 
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Posted: 5/21/2018 12:15:53 PM EDT
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I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 1:15:03 PM EDT
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Front sight is a HiViz encapsulated fiber optic sight Rear is a standard steel glock Both are standard height which I usually sight over the tops of anyway. https://i.imgur.com/WqpIbm4.jpg 
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Posted: 5/22/2018 1:08:05 PM EDT
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Did you do the work to swap the LED module? Do you know what model or part # was used? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable. It’s the SIMX LED module from Lumens Factory. Works on all Insight LAM-xxxx lights and EOTech Mx lights.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/23/2018 6:59:31 AM EDT
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To be perfectly honest, if you're already using the RDS, I would consider just going with a light, maybe the X300V if you want IR illum capacity. Not sure what ranges/what specific type of shooting you're wanting to do with this setup, but while the X400-series surely is some nice kit, it's both larger and bulkier than the X300-series, more complex with more switchology, and your vertical offset between the bore and the laser is pretty large with the laser mounted under the light. Aiming passively through the RDS already on the pistol, you can set it up for day/night consistency, you can use the same presentation, and the same activation--no "switchology" to learn, and no new offsets between the RDS and the laser. You'll also find holsters easier to find (at least while unsuppressed, if you're concerned about such a thing). The X400-series can be a very useful addition to make an iron-sighted pistol an effective night-fighting tool, but with an RDS, IMHO, you're just adding cost and complexity to your overall setup--passive aiming with an RDS on a pistol is also much simpler than doing so with a long-gun, as you have much less to worry about in terms of cheek-welds an equipment "traffic jams," you simply have to train and practice your presentation, which you have to do to adjust to a pistol mounted RDS anyways. With your NVD over your dominant eye, it should be the exact same presentation during the day assuming your NVD is properly aligned--the red dot should just "appear" in your FOV. ~Augee The only reason I would ever spring for a X400 on a RDS equipped pistol is just as a redundent system. The more I play with a RMR09 in passive aiming even on a rifle in a high mount, the more I like it. On a pistol it is a no brainer. |
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