FLIR Thermosight and Breach

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Posted: 9/22/2017 3:01:59 PM EDT

I've checked on several of the "rumors" regarding these new products with the sales manager at FLIR.

I asked if the Q14B was being "discontinued"- as one of the rumors here mentioned. It is NOT (as of this week anyways).

It HAS been renamed the "Breach" however, so keep that in mind as you search for info on it. The Q14B moniker is not going to be used at all.

Last "update" I got when I asked a while back was that it was still planned to be shipped this year. I asked "are you sure before the end of the year" and got "definitely" as the response.

No info on any "problems" that are holding things up, so that may be another rumor also.

First of this week I asked again re: ship dates on the new Thermosight PRO PTS233 and got "nothing yet, still in holding pattern."

At SHOT this year when we were discussing the new Boson line, I asked what were they going to do with the older FLIR internal battery stuff? Big sale? Good rebates like a few years ago? Etc. At the time I was told that they would continue to make them, just slowly phase them out.

Recently FLIR sent out special pricing on some of the older internal battery stuff- Scout II and Scout III all models, the RS thermosights and also some legacy Armasight thermal weapon sights.

If I had to "guess" I would say they are trying to clear as much old inventory as possible, witnessed by the lower prices on this legacy stuff. Perhaps that is necessary to clear the way before the Boson core line really rolls out? No business would want to be sitting on a bunch of wooden wagon wheels if Porsches were about to came out really cheap. That's kind of where my thinking is on the subject anyway.

Caveat- I don't claim to have any "insider info", etc. Just trying to pass along info I heard and dis spell some of the rumors.

Don't shoot the messenger

Posted: 9/22/2017 4:18:06 PM EDT

[#1]

Good info. Thanks

I received an email from another online retailer about the Flir Vue. Said it was going to be discontinued this year and they had it marked down a good bit below what it was last year this time. Like about 30%.

Posted: 9/22/2017 4:45:12 PM EDT

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I received an email from another online retailer about the Flir Vue. Said it was going to be discontinued this year and they had it marked down a good bit below what it was last year this time. Like about 30%.

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I tried to think about it from a business perspective and if I was FLIR, I would want some of the legacy units gone before I started shipping a better unit that wasn't a heckuva lot more money.

Not saying that is "the" holdup or even a legitimate reason, just purely speculation on my part.

I know for me- personally- I sold several of my personal thermal sets earlier this year in anticipation of the new Boson units. So I'm anxiously waiting on these both on a personal level and on a business level.

Posted: 9/22/2017 8:18:16 PM EDT

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Seems logical but it is quite the catch 22....

With info on the new product which seems better both technically and price wise and a release date around the corner, sales on comparable models will come close to a stand still.

One would think FLIR would decrease production in order to fill the remainder contracts at the most.

There is a reason they are holding back and I suspect we will be hard pressed to come by the truth.

I think FLIR is holding off till Q4.

Posted: 9/23/2017 8:33:43 AM EDT

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Seems logical but it is quite the catch 22....

With info on the new product which seems better both technically and price wise and a release date around the corner, sales on comparable models will come close to a stand still.

One would think FLIR would decrease production in order to fill the remainder contracts at the most.

There is a reason they are holding back and I suspect we will be hard pressed to come by the truth.

I think FLIR is holding off till Q4.

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Could very well some corporate numbers BS also, who knows.

I looked for some crazy rebate again this year, not like the one last year that was 'so so' but the one a few years ago with $500. and $1000. gift cards. I think that turned into a nightmare in itself for Flir. So instead they are just drastically discounting the legacy stuff like the Scout II and III, the RS Thermosights, etc. All great units and the prices now are dirt cheap, but all use the internal battery. Truth be told I've sold a ton of those units over the year 5-6 years since they've been out and have only seen maybe 1 that had battery issues. So that internal battery system on the Scout II and III and the RS Thermosights was/is pretty solid.

Posted: 9/23/2017 2:39:16 PM EDT

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LOL, the messenger isn't going to get shot!

Thank you for the info! You seem to be the only vendor who has made an attempt to get some answers.

Posted: 9/30/2017 7:52:52 AM EDT

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Asked again earlier this week. Reply- still no updates.

Posted: 10/13/2017 10:03:55 PM EDT

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bump for updates

Posted: 10/13/2017 11:31:07 PM EDT

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I have four LS-XRs and four RS-64s that are used constantly for over four years now with zero issues, thousands of hours of use, batteries and everything still working perfectly. Even my ancient PS-32 still works great!

Posted: 10/16/2017 12:37:01 PM EDT

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I asked again- reply

No news yet, I am hopeing to have some news this week…

Posted: 10/17/2017 10:17:07 PM EDT

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Small allotments are now said to begin shipping the end of this week per our FLIR rep.

Here is the value of having a pre-order in as I doubt any company that's remotely known will have any in stock just waiting around for someone to order for quite some time.

Posted: 10/19/2017 3:51:15 PM EDT

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Small allotments are now said to begin shipping the end of this week per our FLIR rep.

Here is the value of having a pre-order in as I doubt any company that's remotely known will have any in stock just waiting around for someone to order for quite some time.

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Of the breach?

Posted: 10/19/2017 4:03:54 PM EDT

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No, PRO PTS233 is going to be first shipping.

Last I heard on the Breach, my rep said they would definitely ship before the end of the year.

Posted: 10/20/2017 1:36:19 PM EDT

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Last I heard on the Breach, my rep said they would definitely ship before the end of the year.

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Thanks for the update. I'm going to be a holdout for the breach.
January is not that far away!!

Posted: 10/25/2017 10:25:37 AM EDT

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Some Thermosight PRO PTS233's HAVE shipped and are in bound.

Priority given to PRE-ORDERS first and foremost, but we expect with the shipments that are slated to be shipped this week, to be almost half way through existing pre-orders in the next week or so.

Several have emailed and called asking if any are in stock currently. I cannot ethically ship a NEW order ahead of a pre-order that has not been charged yet but the customer has been waiting. So we absolutely have to work through existing pre-orders FIRST.

We literally do the first in first out method and ship customers in the actual order they placed the order. The ONLY instance where that is not the case is where a customer's card declines for a pre-order and they do not contact back right away, then we reserve the right to move on to the next order.

Posted: 10/25/2017 4:47:05 PM EDT

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Thanks for the updates!

Posted: 10/30/2017 7:02:38 PM EDT

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First PRO PTS233 shipment arrived! Very nice units, definitely worth the wait!

Yes, they all come with a case from FLIR.

Another view-

I took about a dozen pics with my Iphone of the view through the unit. Caveat- I didn't really have a boatload of time and I don't claim to be a photographer. Later when we have more time with these units I'll get some better pics.

This one is cows at a distance of about 50 yards with no magnification. It was about 30-45 minutes before dark, temps in the low 60's

Set to black hot.

I'm happy as hell with these units, what a great deal for the price! A lot of people that pre-ordered are going to be very happy soon!

Posted: 11/28/2017 2:19:23 PM EDT

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How will the process for mounts work with the breach unit?
Is that something universal or proprietary?

I'm particularly interested in a dovetail option that will work with INVG.
Will that be something they provide or at additional cost? (from past history best guess?)

@lowdown3

Posted: 11/28/2017 4:13:27 PM EDT

[#18]

Have not heard. Pretty much nothing has been forthcoming on the Breach units. If someone has any info feel free to post it here.

I would venture to say it would not probably come with it however.

Posted: 12/7/2017 2:59:40 PM EDT

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So I called FLIR today and spoke with a J.C. there inquiring about the Q14B/Breach unit.

What he said:
1.) they took what was shown at shotshow (rifle scope/monocular) and separated it into (2) different units.
2.) unit #1 is the PTS233 which is the riflescope.
3.) unit #2 is the renamed breach unit yet to be released.

He let me know they are shipping the PTS233 (we know this) in small quantities.
I then asked about the breach unit and his words "we cannot release something that's vaporware"...then "we can't release something that's not working properly yet". I went on to ask about possible release for the breach unit and he said realistically March of 2018. Given the lead-up to this I'd say these units won't ship until middle of 2018 or later.

Just some info straight from FLIR as of today.

Posted: 12/7/2017 3:39:26 PM EDT

[#20]

Thanks for the update.

Posted: 12/8/2017 12:01:52 AM EDT

[#21]

Well it official...the q14 is officially vaporware.

Even if the breech ever comes out...the actual q14 that flir in thier own words described at shot show won't ever be released.

Maybe to help me grieve I will watch the videos of enthusiastic Angelo bragging about acquiring armosight and then going over the q14...and how it's weapons mountable....

The entire thing is kinda BS....armosight had a decent q14 that was weapons mountable....flir couldn't take a smaller and better core and get it into the same package. FAIL.

Posted: 12/8/2017 12:09:47 AM EDT

[#22]

Glad they tossed it.

Posted: 12/8/2017 10:02:30 AM EDT

[#23]

As slow as they are shipping everything this year, I would make no hard expectations or even dreams about new things coming out or further being actually available any time near FLIR stated dates. If you get our emails, we had mentioned these things months ago.

Posted: 12/8/2017 4:09:27 PM EDT

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Oh I kept up. Was hoping it was gonna be later rather then never. Looks like answer is officially never.

Posted: 12/8/2017 4:58:44 PM EDT

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Can't get confirmation of that, but the time frame has been so damn ridiculous it might as well be that

Then add in the several false starts and incorrect data sheet info that was put out, in short, it's been a fricking mess and it wouldn't break my heart to find out that's true.

Posted: 12/8/2017 7:31:01 PM EDT

[#26]

Got a reply on the latest drama re: Breach being scrapped-

Robert Henry <[email protected]>

4:00 PM (2 hours ago)

to Angelo, Mark, Kevin, me

Hearing rumors that the Breach thermal has been scrapped altogether and will not be produced? Anything official on this?

Got a lot of people to notify if that's the case. Confirm please.

Thanks

Robert

JRH Enterprises

Brewer, Angelo

5:14 PM (1 hour ago)

to me, Mark, Kevin, me

Hi Robert,

Fake News.

Angelo Brewer
Sales and Distribution Manager
Personal Vision Systems

FLIR Systems,Inc.

Posted: 12/8/2017 7:38:11 PM EDT

[#27]

Thanks for the update!

Posted: 12/8/2017 7:55:30 PM EDT

[#28]

But if the rumors are on the internet it must be for real.

Posted: 12/8/2017 8:19:56 PM EDT

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I'm really glad skypup feels the need to insert his condescending sarcasm into every single thread that mentions FLIR. It's even better when he insinuates that he knows more about what's going on than the rest of us plebs, but just carefully enough to be able to deny doing so and chalking it up to being misinterpreted. Skypup, you used to be such an inspirational contributor to these threads. These days your SNR is closer to Gen 1.

I'm still holding out for a redesign giving us back the weapon-mountable/usable function on the Breach, despite all of skypup's bashing of anyone who suggests such a thing could even be desirable. Maybe the reason they haven't released it yet is because they are trying to get everything working as promised at Shot. Long shot, I know - fingers crossed anyway. I sold my XD19A long ago in anticipation of this compact little bad boy.

Posted: 12/8/2017 8:32:52 PM EDT

[#30]

You’ll be keeping those fingers crossed for a long time.

Posted: 12/8/2017 8:39:36 PM EDT

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Way to prove the guys argument to be correct.

So are you actually ever going to give us any information that is useful? Or should we just ask the mods to change your screen name from skypup, to shitpost?

Posted: 12/8/2017 8:50:26 PM EDT

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Way to prove the guys argument to be correct.

So are you actually ever going to give us any information that is useful? Or should we just ask the mods to change your screen name from skypup, to shitpost?

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Shitpost will be just fine.

Remember to keep checking on those rumors and keep your fingers crossed.

Posted: 12/8/2017 9:07:56 PM EDT

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Not sure where the unit disappearing rumor started. (I've never stated that)
I've never posted "rumors" in this or any thread.
I posted what the FLIR rep told me.

Skypup, you're not contributing to this thread anymore.
Shit post elsewhere man...

ETA: I see now.

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Posted: 12/8/2017 9:08:38 PM EDT

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Shitpost will be just fine.

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Before you say you never shit post.

Posted: 12/8/2017 9:15:24 PM EDT

[#35]

Aye Aye, Mate.

Posted: 12/8/2017 10:58:10 PM EDT

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X2. If you go back through the old threads, his comments were helpful, informative, and lacking snark.

Posted: 12/8/2017 11:30:02 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/8/2017 11:37:45 PM EDT

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Thanks for the contributions to these threads and forums, I read all your tech posts and they are totally awesome, keep up the good work!

My Boson 320 Q-14-B Breach with the reticule for weapon mounted sighting sux, but is outstanding as a hand held scanner!

Glad they ditched it for weapon mounting.

Posted: 12/9/2017 1:07:12 AM EDT

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Thanks for the contributions to these threads and forums, I read all your tech posts and they are totally awesome, keep up the good work!

My Boson 320 Q-14-B Breach with the reticule for weapon mounted sighting sux, but is outstanding as a hand held scanner!

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You have said this over and over, seemingly on every single thread in this forum that discusses the Q14B... we get it. FLIR is infallible and a feature with limited use in your eyes is better off not being available at all - even for those of us that don't have literally 10s of thousands of dollars of thermal equipment at our disposal and don't mind the idea of a hand held scanner that also has a weapon-mount functionality, even if that functionality is not necessarily on par with a dedicated TWS.

You seem to be mistaking posting pictures of the equipment to which you have unique (and unexplained, although oft debated, especially since you vehemently deny any insider information/connections) access, along with snarky condescending comments for "contributions to these threads and forums".....Just because you post a picture of your spiffy Q14B doesn't mean you're contributing to the thread. It just means you're showing off.

If anything, what used to be genuinely helpful, insightful, and constructive input to these threads has, over the last couple years, devolved into elitist and snobby "humble brags" and defensive snark. The pictures you used to post focused more on demonstrating and less on showing off. Your comments used to be interesting and insightful, offering many of us access to technology we could only dream of playing with through the eyes of just a normal dude that enjoyed using it and sharing it. Now almost every single comment we see from you is telling us why your opinion is the only valid opinion, and sarcastically dismissing anyone who disagrees with you or... heaven forbid... voices a negative thought about FLIR.

I don't know if you've recently let your 13 year old grandson start posting under your account or something, but these days whenever I see your avatar in one of these threads, I just roll my eyes and keep on scrolling. It sounds like I'm not the only one. It's a shame.

Posted: 12/9/2017 9:51:46 AM EDT

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They could have, would have, might have, but they didn’t, it’s a crying shame.

But sure does perform superbly with the 35mm lens as a scanner only!

Posted: 12/9/2017 10:50:06 AM EDT

[#41]

Once again, another thread that started out with useful information, down the tubes because of personal attacks by petty people. Time to close this one, too.

Posted: 12/9/2017 11:16:34 AM EDT

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They all seem to have one petty person in common...

Posted: 12/9/2017 4:14:27 PM EDT

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Thanks for the contributions to these threads and forums, I read all your tech posts and they are totally awesome, keep up the good work!

My Boson 320 Q-14-B Breach with the reticule for weapon mounted sighting sux, but is outstanding as a hand held scanner!

Glad they ditched it for weapon mounting.

http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20Q14B/Q14%20Gun%20Knife.jpg

http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20Q14B/Q14%20Lens.jpg

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more picturessssss ppplleeeeeaaassseeeee

Posted: 12/9/2017 4:31:54 PM EDT

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Do not close this thread. There is lots of good info.

Skypup is a flir fanboy, he likes to push buttons. You guys don't need to really call him out every time either. Hey at least he adds some pics for us to drool over :)

I am glad the breech is not scrapped....but I still say it's not rocket science to make an adjustable weapons mount and add a reticle to some firmware, or make the reticle adjustable in the software.

My thing was this, the q14 from shot show is vaporware, it was vaporware the second they removed one of the top features they themselves promoted. Skypup is not worried about that feature.... everyone needs else who was excited about the q14 is bummed.

I am on the TNVC waiting since May, and I will still get a Breech, so no one close this thread....eventually I wanna check it and see it say "breeches shipping!!!!"

Posted: 12/11/2017 12:18:27 AM EDT

[#45]

Sold of my FLIR scout and eotech x320 in anticipation for this thing. Hope it ships soon

Posted: 12/11/2017 2:49:18 AM EDT

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Do not close this thread. There is lots of good info.

Skypup is a flir fanboy, he likes to push buttons. You guys don't need to really call him out every time either. Hey at least he adds some pics for us to drool over :)

I am glad the breech is not scrapped....but I still say it's not rocket science to make an adjustable weapons mount and add a reticle to some firmware, or make the reticle adjustable in the software.

My thing was this, the q14 from shot show is vaporware, it was vaporware the second they removed one of the top features they themselves promoted. Skypup is not worried about that feature.... everyone needs else who was excited about the q14 is bummed.

I am on the TNVC waiting since May, and I will still get a Breech, so no one close this thread....eventually I wanna check it and see it say "breeches shipping!!!!"

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Normal fanboys don’t have access to shit that hasn’t been released (or some variation of that).

Posted: 12/11/2017 7:18:34 AM EDT

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Don’t feed the troll.

Posted: 12/27/2017 1:51:53 PM EDT

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Just received from FLIR-

Dear valued customer:
We would like to notify you that the FLIR ThermoSight PRO PTS233 displays an image that
renders at 60Hz, as opposed to the originally stated 30Hz. The recorded files from the unit
still output at 30Hz.

As a result, note that FLIR’s product description for this unit will change as follows:
From: FLIR ThermoSight PRO PTS233 1.5-6x19 (30Hz)
To: FLIR ThermoSight PRO PTS233 1.5-6x19 (60Hz)
There will be no change in Part # or UPC.

Posted: 12/28/2017 1:46:55 PM EDT

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Dear valued customer:
We would like to notify you that the FLIR ThermoSight PRO PTS233 displays an image that
renders at 60Hz, as opposed to the originally stated 30Hz. The recorded files from the unit
still output at 30Hz.

As a result, note that FLIR's product description for this unit will change as follows:
From: FLIR ThermoSight PRO PTS233 1.5-6x19 (30Hz)
To: FLIR ThermoSight PRO PTS233 1.5-6x19 (60Hz)
There will be no change in Part # or UPC.

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Thanks for the update.

Posted: 1/15/2018 6:08:49 PM EDT

[#50]

Still waitin

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