You need this info on the FD-258LE:



The most recent ones I have actually say ATF-NATL TRA CTR (with the same city, state), but the ORI is the most important part. Mine look just like the pic a couple posts above your question...which is also on the first page. Sometimes it helps to actually read the How-To portion of the thread.

The F4 doesn't need a photo. You'll only need one on the ATF Copy of the 5320.23 (RPQ). The CLEO Copy doesn't require a photo.

Did this by request on another site, figured I'd post it here as well. Current form is available here.

9/23/20: the form changed last year and I completely forgot to update this. They’re very minor changes, so I’m just going to make notes down below. I might get screen shots later, but for now the numbering won’t match. They added boxes in Q1 to identify type of registrant, and then added a new item (#5) to allow you to provide a different mailing address for the forms to be returned to.





1. Provide registered name (from F1/F4) and address and check applicable box for type of owner

1a. Provide phone number

1b. Provide email address

2. Mark "yes" if coming back, or "No" if it's a move

3. Provide dates. You can enter up to a year, so 1/1-12/31, or 9/21-9/20, etc. I send mine in each fall for the entire next year.







4. Provide the following:

•Manufacturer: I've always put the original manufacturer for a Form 1 SBR, not my trust name as Maker. But, I know people that put their name (or trust/corp/LLC name) and get approved.

•Type of Firearm: Use the appropriate category from the six. I use the abbreviation, like SBR/SBS, but you can also spell them out.

•Serviceable: most likely "yes", assuming the firearm is in working condition

•Caliber or Gauge: I put the caliber/gauge that matches current config, even if it doesn't match the F1/F4. I've heard some reports of people getting push back if it doesn't match, but I've never had a problem.

•Model: same info from F1/F4

•Barrel Length: again, I provide the current config, even if it doesn't match the F1/F4

•Overall Length: same answer as barrel length

•Serial Number: should match F1/F4

5. You can now provide a different address for them to use to return your forms if needed

5 6. Provide a reason. I've always had success with the generic "all lawful reasons" type answer, but I've seen some people get push back from ATF requesting a specific activity.







6 7. Provide the current location of firearm(s)

7 8. Provide the destination address. They used to take an intersection, or even GPS coordinates, but I've seen reports of those getting kicked back. I've always used an actual address...usually just picked a range somewhere in the state. Remember, intrastate travel isn't limited...so you just need permission to cross the state line.

8 9. Mode of Transportation: I've always used "personal vehicle"

9-11 10-12. Usually left blank, but populate if appropriate

12 13. Sign form. I sign my name and then print "as Trustee"

13 14. Provide date



Here's a completed form I just got back. It's one of the custom ones I did that has 11 firearms instead of the 3 the actual form has. Note that I did put my AOW, although it's not required. I have never submitted one for a Silencer.







You'll need two copies for each state. You can mail them to the address in the Instructions:

Director, BATFE

244 Needy Road

Martinsburg, WV 25405

Attention: NFA Branch



The form can also be submitted via facsimile to the NFA Branch at (304) 616-4501 or may be scanned and emailed to [email protected].



In addition to mailing them, I've also faxed them and emailed them, but snail mail works more consistently. The faxes and emails sometimes get lost. Regardless of submission method, it will be folded and mailed back to the name & address in Item 1.

It's exactly as the write-up says, which is what's in the Instructions of the RPQ:

4. b. Name of maker, manufacturer and/or importer: as identified in item 4a of Form 1, 4, or 5

The next person would have your trust in that field, as that's what would be on the F1/F4/F5.

Something else I worked on because of a request elsewhere. Might as well post it in case it helps anybody.

Notes:
1. The highlighted area on page 2 is skipped if you're applying as an entity. That info is handled on the 5320.23 (RPQ), which I also included below.
2. The CLEO notified on the F1 is one having jurisdiction over the address in box 3b, and is the only one that gets a copy of the F1.
3. The CLEO notified on the RPQ (not required for individual applications) is one having jurisdiction over the address in box 3a

The Form 1:








And then the RPQ:

The link to atf.gov in that article is for explosives, which has a different ORI. Those rules are slightly different anyway. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, if there's actually a change. The regulation itself simply says "properly equipped", and doesn't even mention other businesses or LE agencies.


In order to keep this thread fairly clean, let's keep all discussion around this in this thread.

Huh?

Who is signing photos? If you meant to ask about signing the FD-258LE cards, you would.

Hopefully everybody up there gets that memo.

The regs have never mentioned an expiration (unlike photos and CLEO sig), and I've never had to send prints...but I have seen people report that old cards were returned.

Nobody has to sign the photos. They're often glued or taped down anyway, so you won't see the back once attached.

You'll sign the FP card.

Because on the F1, Instruction 2.d. Completion of Form includes:

(3) If the applicant is other than an individual, e.g., a trust or legal entity such as a corporation, the applicant shall not complete items 11, 12, 13, and 14. All other items must be completed including the signing of the Certification statement.

...which is admittedly different from how we used to do forms.


***this is also covered in the F1 for entity write-up on the first page of this topic

Surely they also get mail using that address. FedEx/UPS may not deliver to PO Boxes, so they have to use the street address. I'll add the mailing address to the list just in case.

Is it actually wrong? Or do they think you can't send a form to a state level CLEO (which the forms clearly say is OK).

We've had multiple reports of forms being sent back (or forwarded to local CLEO). Here is one recent example that's still on Page 1 as I type. If they send them back, trash them...as you did your job in notifying.

I can tell you I just looked at the site, and that's the name and address on the screen.

That's the one I have on my iPhone. I've messed around with it, but never ordered the prints. Here is a link to the App Store for iDevice download. I'd assume the same app is available for android devices.

Extremely easy to use. It has a silhouette for your head, a chin line, and a shaded bar to make sure your eyes are in correct position. When you save it to your phone, it puts two 2"x2" copies in one image. Should be simple enough to send it to your local store to print, or print it yourself.

I was able to use the front camera and get decent results, so no need to even have somebody else take the pic.

In it's current config, it's not an SBR...so that length doesn't matter.

You need to put the OAL with stock installed and fully extended/folded out.

It just needs to be reasonable. The ATF doesn't know which stock you're using, so they're not going to deny/approve it because it is or isn't a certain length.

Rounded to the nearest inch or half inch is fine. There are enough people that have built these now that you should be able to find the measurement in the SBR forum of online elsewhere.

4a is the mfr name and location as engraved on the firearm.

There's no telling what your examiner will want in 3b. In the past people have used any of the following (and probably even more options)...

Assuming your name is Michael Jeffrey Jordan:
Michael Jeffrey Jordan
Michael J Jordan
Michael Jordan
Mike Jordan
M J Jordan
M Jordan

4a is whatever is engraved on the lower for original manufacturer. I didn't go dig mine out, but what you typed sounds about right.

4h and 3b should match, as you have to engrave the maker's name.

It's not required. Hasn't been since they redid the forms a couple years ago and incorporated those questions in the F1/F4 (same time they added the option to pay by CC). See questions 13 & 14 on the Form 1 you received.

Not sure why they're including it in the package.

I'd have to change it to 223 if it was mine, just because it would bug me. I'd bet a majority of people would just leave it as is.

It's clearly spelled out in the step-by-step, as well as in the Instructions on the form. You might want to read it again.

The F1/F4 & an RPQ goes to any CLEO having jurisdiction over the address you put for Maker or Transferee. The RPQ for the other RPs goes to any CLEO having jurisdiction over the address provided.