unique Form 1 (SRB) question

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - unique Form 1 (SRB) question

Posted: 10/28/2006 7:42:50 PM EDT

OK...filling out my Form 1 but I have nothing to enter in 4d (model).

My lower receiver was manufactured by LBC and has the following info engraved on it:

4a
LES BAER CUSTOM
HILLSDALE IL USA

4b
SHORT BARRELED RIFLE

4c
.223

4d
<NO MODEL IS LISTED ANYWHERE ON THE RECEIVER>

4e
10.5"

4f

4g
LBR 002XXX

4h
<NO ADDITIONAL DESCRIPTION ANYWHERE ON THE RECEIVER>

4i
ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES

So my question is: would I be rejected if I mailed in my Form 1 without any model being listed? Les Baer does not even refer to any model on their web site - they list what I purchased as "matched upper and lower receiver." Some of the complete rifles they list as AR.223 or Ultimate AR.223 but no real model.

Should I leave 4d blank?

Should I enter "AR-15" in 4d even though there is no model engraved on the receiver?

Posted: 10/28/2006 9:01:42 PM EDT

[#1]

My guess would be LBR is the model number and the numbers are the serial number.

Posted: 10/28/2006 9:28:20 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
My guess would be LBR is the model number and the numbers are the serial number.

Well, that is what I though at first but "LBR 002xxx" is the serial number.

Consider this: if my serial number were 002345 there could exist NO OTHER firearm with the same serial number per BATF rules and regs. Hence, a unique serial number would be LBR 002345.

So, I am still here without a model to enter on my form 1.

Posted: 10/28/2006 9:55:26 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:
My guess would be LBR is the model number and the numbers are the serial number.

Well, that is what I though at first but "LBR 002xxx" is the serial number.

Consider this: if my serial number were 002345 there could exist NO OTHER firearm with the same serial number per BATF rules and regs. Hence, a unique serial number would be LBR 002345.

So, I am still here without a model to enter on my form 1.

Well, the only place that "SP1" appears on a Colt SP1 receiver is as part of the serial number....

BTW, historically most manufacturers did not use prefixes until the last few decades. Instead, BATF requires that a manufacturer cannot use the same serial number for two examples of the same model. For instance, Colt used the serial number 19103 (no prefix or suffix) on a Colt 1903, a Colt 1911, a Colt Woodsman and probably several other Colts. Since they both exist, you could SBR Colt 1911 SN 19103 and also SBR Colt Woodsman SN 19103.

BTW, you may be over-thinking this issue. There is no reason why LBR cannot be both the model number and part of the serial number.

Posted: 10/29/2006 5:00:45 AM EDT

[#4]

Dave, Tony, thanks a million for the answer.

Me...overthink the issue...why does EVERYONE always tell me this...I need to think about this for awhile.

Posted: 10/29/2006 12:03:56 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

Consider this: if my serial number were 002345 there could exist NO OTHER firearm with the same serial number per BATF rules and regs. Hence, a unique serial number would be LBR 002345.

No other firearm made by LBR. Anyone else is free to use 002345.

Posted: 10/29/2006 2:20:59 PM EDT

[#6]

They are not required to give it a model designation. No idea what would be best to put on the form.

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