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Posted: 6/2/2005 7:09:05 AM EDT
I already have a 100oz hydration bladder un-insulated and am wondering if any of the hydration carriers will accept the bladder it is a camel back with the hook attachment at the top.
any info is a big help thanks. |
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I wouldn't pay $75.00 for Paraclete's hydra carrier. That's just ridiculous when you can get the same quality and carrying ability from other awesome manufacturers at half the price or so..........
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I don't know what makes paraclete's products so much better that they general charge twice as much for everything they make.
Rough asked, I was just giving him some options for him to decide on his own. I don't own any of these products, but FWIW in the hopefully not to distant future I plan on probably buying two of the S.T.R.I.K.E. carriers. |
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The S.T.R.I.K.E is a nice one, I use it, it's held up well out in the woods and durring carbine classes.
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Maybe you could answer this then... How would you attach any of the Camelback hydration systems that have the D-ring side-attachment points to the side webbing of a RAID/Marauder-type pack? Take this one for example: CB Products I'm just wondering if it would be more cost effective to buy separate hydration bladder sleeves that have PALS webbing like the Blackhawk S.T.R.I.K.E. [ link] and slap separately bought bladder in into it. Or just to buy a full up system for what would probably amount to about the same price but then have to deal with the lack of PALs compatable connections. |
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If I were to mount one to my pack, i'd just pick up another seperate carrier for the camelback bladder. The one you have pictured I believe is set up like that so you can attach it to the D rings on existing LBVs ASAIK. |
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Looks like that would work perfectly. Thats one of the other ways I was going to sugest, but I didn't know that existed particular system was around. I was going to say just get some fastex buckles and attack one part to the pack through the webbing and than use the other end attached to the D ring on the bladder. That system should work fine. Thanks for pointing that out, I may have to get some of those too. |
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I'm not sur eyou can buy them as separate parts. I don't see why you couldn't but I'm having trouble finding them on their site. It might even work better if you have the "open ends" on both parts of the buckles. Then you could just clip off the d-ring and slip the male end into the loop on the CB and the other part of the buckle into the PALS webbing as it would normally be attached. I'd be curious if this would work as well and not be all loose and bouncing all over the place. |
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Thanks guys i've see those and i'll probably go with the tactical tailor model, but on the bladder I have the only attaching point it has is a hook just above the opening as in the one pathfinder74
shows. The one I have is the omega bladder which has no cover as i will use it between the pack it came in and the hydration carrier that will attach to my wasatch. I was just curious as to if it will hook on to anything in the carrier like it does in the pack i already have, or if you just fill it and slide it in the carrier un-attached to any thing. |
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I got a couple extra buckles laying around that I can use to experiment with. After I get done with some hores after work I'll "modify" a couple and see how it works. I'll let you know how it goes. I think leaveing the D-rings on the CB may be a good idea though, just incase you want to use it one something else, or use it as a way to add extra retention on it. the buckles might not hold up well to a lot of bouncing around. |
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Are you talking about the hook on top of where you open it up to put the water in? if so I don't think thtas really a functional thing. I never use it for anything execpt hanging the bladder when drying it out. With the carriers like the TT and STRIKE you just slide the whole thing into the carrier. |
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Yea that's the hook in my camelbak pack that the bladder is in there is a little piece of cord that the bladder was hanging from when I got I imagine it is to keep the bladder from falling as it is used.
So I was wondering if there is was anything in the carriers like that, but if you just fill it and slide it in then that is cool. |
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Shit I'll look in mine when I get home. I never thought it had a actual use, but now that you mention it, that does make sence. I'll let you know. |
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Yea let me know if you're pack has one now i'm curious
When I order the TT carrier i'll try and install a cord in that also just for the hell of it |
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The high speed gear hydration carrier will carrier will hold two camelbaks, it has two loops for the hooks on the top of the camelbak
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A single sticks out kinda far, how is a double don? are they side by side? I checked the HSGI site but didn't see a hydration carrier listed. |
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I'm prety sure the "holes" in the bladder are just for hanging out to dry. I'm not sure I know what hooks you're referring to inside the pouch... take pictures.
You could always roll the d-ring around and then cut the part that's usually on the inside of the loop and remove it... then put it back on if you need it... depending on how strudy they are it shoudl stil hold. If it's a flimsy d-ring it' might break off if you load too much weight to it with a cut in it.. but ith 6-d-rings distributing the weight of the CB I wouldn't think it would be an issue.
Link? Personally I'd prefer to distribute the weight of two equally to both sides of a pack. When I get my Marauder (yes, when, not if... I'm very optimistic) I'll mount the STRIKE carriers one on each side. Then my only weight distribution issues will be making sure I drink evenly from both tubes. |
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A post from one of the guys on the Kifaru Message board
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they attach one in front of the other, I have never put two full ones in it though. www.skdtac.com/item.asp?ItemID=SKD6529&PRICE=60&CategoryNum=72 |
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That's a good idea. Learn something new here everyday. Thanks for digging that up pathfinder!
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The SDS Sandler hysdration carrier is pretty decent for the money.
secure.specialtydefense.com/cgi-bin/sds/S0020.html -chris |
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Wonder what size bladders that holds... 70oz or 100oz. Must be pretty wide to be able to hold 2 side by side. Cool though. What are the straps with a;; male side release buckles for? Would be cool if it had the PALS attachments in there for link it right to a pack. Can you buy PALS attachments separatetly or are they generally sewn right to whatever they're on? I shoudl probably ask this in another thread, but what the hell does PALS and MOLLE stand for and what's the difference between PALS and MOLLE? |
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I use to have one. Very good!! I also have the HSGI hydra carrier shown above. I love it |
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Nice piece of kit. |
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saw the HSGI one, looks to me like it holds them side by side. if the pics were right.
Pathfinder I took one of the extra buckels I have and cut out a small slit in the femal one and put it on the hydration bladders molle webbing. Works really well I was able to clip in the male section with and hold up the vest and shake it around and it never came out. Could hold up real well. I'm going to get some more buckles and set up a couple more on the carrier for tieing stuff down with. |
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i have the TacTailor pouch. i think it is the best deal for the money. the Blackhawk one is a few bucks less, but it is a made-in-Vietnam ripoff of the TT, and doesn't use the MALICE clips (which i prefer).
there is no "hook" inside, just toss your bladder in and its good to go..... |
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I easily fit a 100 oz bladder in there, I don't think getting two in there would be a problem. It's a pretty big pouch, I had a basic first aid kit and other assorted junk in mine while it was attached to my weesatch. If you cobbed some straps onto it I think it'd work as a cheap version of the Kifaru E&E pack. It has molle loops on both sides and is attached with malice clips, SKD usually includes a set of malice clips with most of the pouchs. |
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The HSGI hydration carrier will hold 2 100oz bladders. Pathfinder, the extra straps and buckles are there so that the hydration carrier can plug into the Warlord series chest rigs and the Denali/Silverthrone. It is a cool system, and there is a Warlord thread here where I demonstrate with pics. You could easily use it as an E&E platform as its construction is hell for stout. I would feel equally equipped with it in this role as I would with a Kifaru E&E. |
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Actually the "made in vietnam" knock off is pretty damn good. And it does have the molle/pals webbing on it. it can use the Malice clips if you want to use them. |
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Got this recommendation from militarymoron on the Kifaru forum
I like these, but they are a little pricey. The perk being that they have zipper-closures so they could be used for anything else without worrying about the contents slipping out through the "flap". Looks like you could possibly fit a small tent in one of those... |
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i never said anything about the quality of the BH unit, but it is what it is....if 2 identical products are close in price, why buy the Vietnamese made version over a US made product? and buying the BH pouch, plus buying Malice clips (if that's the way you wanted to go) would cost more than just buying a quality American-made product from the get-go. YMMV..... |
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Hmm didn't need malice clips with mine either. most people who bash on blackhawk stuff bring up the "made in vietnam rip-off" shit so to me I just associated the comment with the way I'm used to it being used by folks, if that was not the intention sorry for my mis understanding. |
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i'm not one of those super-hardcore buy American guys, either....
i do have some BH gear, most of it a few years old. i like their CQC SERPA holsters, because they are a unique and innovative design. their foreign rehashings of every other brands gear is what burns me out..... and Malice clips are far from necessary but i like them because i reconfigure my gear alot for different matches, hikes, etc..... |
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The STRIKE hydration carrier has four "clips" for lack of a better term built into it. I'm also fond of zip ties for securing things too. I got a shitload of them so I figure why not use them for something. |
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Gear or otherwise... if I reserved my purchases to only "Made in America" products I'd have a big empty house for the part...
BHI stuff isn't bad. I'll generally shop around and see who makes the same thing but either cheaper, better looking, or MiA... but if their item has a certain unique Gucci-appeal then I'm buying it. I'm debating on the BHI hydration carrier v. the other options... just something about that carrier. Hopefully I'll get over it by the time I'm placing my order for a Marauder... |
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All of the below from SDS
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Thread Link: Canteen -vs- Hydration bladder
Also, I picked this up from SupplyCaptain [Note: The site seems to be down right now.]
I haven't put it through any kind of tests, but for the price it's a damned nice carrier. Webbing on front and back, a rigid hole that allows you to get to the reservoir cap without removing the bladder, flap with two snaps. The shoulder straps are fairly simple. They're not padded like a regular Camelback carrier but I think it's more because this carrier is intended more to be attached to a tac-vest/IBA than to be worn... but it's nice to have the option to be able to remove it and throw it on your back if need be. Something a lot of the other MOLLE Carriers seem to be lacking. Overall I'm very happy with this carrier. I'll updated you guy when I actually get around to attaching it to my pack and using it. |
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Been wondering when they would get their site up and running for gear sales.
Blackwater Gear |
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ETA: Sorry, this one is probably a little off track since it doesn't appear to have an MOLLE/PALS webbing. |
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Just so you guys know, that TT pouch will not hold any of the current 3 liter (100 oz) insulated bladders. About the only thing I have found that fits it is the OLD style bladders.
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Thanks to Howie_Kaluha for posting his picture of this in the Post your gear pr0n here!! thread.
Post 9700!! Woo hoo. Looks like I won't be making my end if August goal of 10,000 though. |
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Awesome.... thanks Steve. |
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Hands down, the best I have seen/used. I love it. |
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They will work, but are a bit long. The hydro carrier is about 4" longer than the back of the plate carrier, so you have to adjust the hydro up a row. It still sticks down a bit even then.
Steve. |
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